Muslim pro-Israel activist threatened

[MikeGalos]

Jan. 1, 2004
Muslim pro-Israel activist threatened
By MICHAEL FREUND

A devout Muslim college student in Canada known for her pro-Israel views on campus has received death threats after expressing support for the Jewish state's right to exist.

"As a result of my pro-Israel views, I have received a lot of verbal assault, and a few threats to my life," Sarah Nasser, a third-year student at the University of Toronto, told The Jerusalem Post.

"I received some violent resentment from the pro-Palestinian left-wing majority on campus. Most of my Muslim friends do not respect my views," she said.

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"I love Jews as I love true Muslims," she said. "Therefore, I believe Jews should have a right to live legitimately in their homeland."

<Full article at: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1072930913255&p=1006688055060 >

[kalian]

1. Gee....the same thing happens to pro-Muslim or pro-peace Israeli jews....

so...what's your point...? :shrug:

[MikeGalos]

2. Prove it or retract it

(Which, I think, will become a macro I'll have to put in for all these "Yeah? Well, so's your old man" type posts.)

[durutti]

18. Here's your proof.

http://www.grubstreetbooks.ca/essays/reubenslonim.html

http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm/action/tikkun/issue/tik0107/article/010704d.html

Other ones I know of off the top of my head (but can't find articles for) are the parents of Adam Shapiro (founder of ISM) and Uri Avnery.

How does that crow taste?

[JohnLocke]

3. Bravery in its purest form

Now that's liberalism!

[MikeGalos]

4. It also says something else

When a cause requires threatening someone's life to keep them from saying an opposing view, that cause is certainly not interested in honest discussion.

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[cantwealljustgetalong]

6. she sounds wise enough...

not to go mano o mano with one...:evilgrin:

[MikeGalos]

7. Yeah. Apparently

the concept of intentional versus accidental is a hard one for you.

Or are you claiming that she got accidental death threats...

[legin]

9. A thought

Sharon and co seem very adept at killing a lot of people, but not 'on purpose' or at least not observably 'on purpose'. He seems to be very good at working in the area between the two poles of accidently and on purpose.

So perhaps a sort of 'accidently on purpose index' (AOP) with a sliding scale between 0-100 would be more useful tool in dealing with the incidents that happen. 0 being the more accidently end and 100 being the more on purpose end.

So possibly British civilian Tom Hurndall would be 90 AOP,
Rachel Corrie would be a 65 AOP.

[Alice Franken]

10. A good thought

ISM's Hurndall would be one who knowingly went to lay down his life for the cause of terrorism-100%
and
ISM's Corrie did the same.

So both would be 100 on the OP (on person index)

[Darranar]

11. The cause of terrorism?

I don't know about you, but I don't think trying to protect Palestinian children near a firefight is fighting for the cause of terrorism.

[MikeGalos]

12. And if there were any evidence for that

you might have a point. But aside from blind hero worship, you haven't presented a case that their purpose is "protecting Palestinian children".

Of course, the fact (documented here many times) that they've been helping people who intentionally kill Jewish children probably should be counted into the balance. You see, that's documented and real.

[Darranar]

13. Do you know what Tom Hurndall was doing when he was shot?

[The Magistrate]

14. Mr. Hurndell, My Friend

Seems by most testimony to have been, at the time he was shot, engaged in hustling several children to shelter from an exposed position in a street down which bullets were flying. Regardless of what view one takes of the young man's politics, this is a courageous and self-sacrificing action that ought to command respect. It certainly has mine.

[MikeGalos]

15. And that personal heroism IS to be commended

but it does NOT extend any validity to his group's claims of being for peace nor does it lend any credence to the baseless claims heard that his shooting was anything other than one of those awful costs of war such as the previous comment denying that accidental deaths in war caused by Israelis are "accidently on purpose".

I'm sure, knowing your rational history, that you decry that kind of baseless namecalling and unprincipled accusation as much as I do.

[legin]

16. Mmmmm....

<<snip>>

The soldier suspected of shooting Hurndall, whose remand the Southern Command military tribunal extended Wednesday by seven days, initially claimed that he returned fire after an armed Palestinian shot at him. He later admitted to shooting at the unarmed British civilian with the intention of intimidating him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=43445&mesg_id=43445

Doesn't sound very accidental to me. Recklessly stupid would still be a compliment.

I still go with my 90 on the 'accidently on purpose index'.

[The Magistrate]

17. That Is True, Mr. Galos

The young man's personal merit confers nothing upon the organization, and in my view the I.S.M. is not an organization seeking "peace", but a victory for one side of the conflict, which it seeks to pursue by non-violent means. These may be very effective in political struggle, but to my view carry no particular moral quality: it is a tactical choice, not a moral one, by my lights.

It does seem, though, in view of statements by the soldier himself in this incident, reported recently in the news columns of Ha'aretz, that the soldier fired with an intent to intimidate Mr. Hurndell, which makes this incident something more, unfortunately, than an accident of war. There is little practical difference between shooting near someone to frighten him, and shooting at him, particularly when the result, whether by intent or misadventure, is that the person was in fact struck by the bullet. Accusations from the other side in this case, my friend, have some basis.

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Does it?

So that's why Uri Avnery and Robert Fisk have recieved death threats for their stance on the I/P conflict! ;)

Mike, do you honestly think that there's not death threats from both sides of this issue? Of course there is, and I'm positive the only people who'd deny that it's not confined to one particular viewpoint would be the extremists on either side...

(waiting for the 'prove it or retract it!' macro, which on having proof provided will be met with the 'LIES! LIES! LIES!' macro)


Violet....

[Jackie97]

19. Getting into the I/P subject on either side.....

gets people into trouble. I've been threatened for my pro-Palestinian views. I've read of the opposite happening. It's an explosive subject. People need to realize that before they take a stand on this one way or the other.

[Jackie97]

20. Really Mike?

"When a cause requires threatening someone's life to keep them from saying an opposing view, that cause is certainly not interested in honest discussion."

Why don't you give that opinion to the people who have given different types of threats to me in the past on the pro-Israeli side? It's not the opinion itself, it's that there are extremists on both sides.

[bluesoul]

21. I guess Mike doesn't

know about all those pro-Palestinian people getting death threats (as on campuses, announced speaches etc...)

[MikeGalos]

22. Nope

But I do know about pro-Palestinian groups on campuses insisting that nobody should be allowed to speak with a differing opinion.

[Violet_Crumble]

23. Yr denying there's ever been death-threats against pro-Palestinian folk??

Or just that you haven't been interested enough to read about them? I guess you also don't know about the pro-Israeli groups that insist that nobody should be allowed to speak with a differing opinion?


Violet...

[bluesoul]

24. The late Ed Said

would have much to say about such threats when he had his speeches on campuses if he were alive today...