Israel 'to blame for Gaza attack'

[drdon326]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8395620^1702,00.html

ISRAEL must take full responsibility for a suicide attack on its border with Gaza which left the female bomber and four Israelis dead, Palestine said today.

"Israel bears sole responsibility for what has happened as it continues the occupation, construction of the wall (Israel's West Bank separation barrier), the closures and the escalation," Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's chief adviser Nabil Abu Rudeina said.

He called on the international community and the UN Security Council to "make Israel stop its aggressions and force a halt to construction of the wall and a withdrawal from the Palestinian towns".

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i would say it...but lithos would ban me outright.

[The Magistrate]

1. Well, Doctor....

We could all use a good laugh, and this cretin Rudeina has stepped into the breach to provide one.

[drdon326]

2. Thanks anyway...

I'll keep my thoughts on this one to myself....

After all, i wouldnt want to say anything bad about a
"progressive" like Rudeina.

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. I'll say what I think

What a cowardly scumbag who defends murder and the use of women as nothing more than bombs to harm all around them -- including we should point out, Palestinians.

What a marvelously horrible butchering bastard.

[drdon326]

4. Damn....

i forgot "cowardly".

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. When I think about terrorists

I never forget that adjective.

[bluesoul]

6. The same when I think about Sharon

and IDF murders...

[GabysPoppy]

7. .

:shrug:

[drdon326]

8. Since...

as ususal,you decided to turn this into a Sharon bashing and since,
as often is the case,you decided not to address the main topic
of THIS murderous bombing,do you think its vile to blame the victim
of this horrible crime??

Please think before you answer.

[bluesoul]

11. Why

you do the same in topics regarding Palestinian victims. Just leveling...

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. Too bad the IDF doesn't murder

Kind of spoils your whole day.

[bluesoul]

10. No IDF never does murder

people just die themselves when IDF bombs, rockets and bullets hit them...

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. People die in combat

And when you have terrorists hiding behind the skirts of the women in the West Bank and Gaza, inevitably some bystanders will be hurt. Even with the latest attacks, Palestinians were hurt as they have been many times before -- by a TERRORIST BOMB.

The terrorists have located themselves in the heart of a populated area ensuring that Israel either ignores them or that others might be harmed if Israel moves against them.

[Lurking Dem]

13. If the IDF

had let loose a bomb (intentionally or not) at this checkpoint, you would have stated that the Palestinians who died were murdered by the IDF. No?

[meti57b]

14. once again hamas bombs a location where Palestinians are present .....

to emphasize that they do not want, under any circumstances, peaceful coexistence and cooperation between Palestinians and Israelis.

[GabysPoppy]

15. What it really emphasizes

The terrorist organizations don't care who is killed or maimed. It emphasizes how little they regard human life at all to further their agenda. It emphasizes how little they care about a peaceful conclusion to the entire Middle East.

For anyone to be able to try and compare these organizations to the GOI and to try to do it with a straight and serious face is to emulate Bagdad Bob or Ari Fleisher.

The terrorist agenda is to push Israel and every Israeli into the Mediterranean Sea and nothing less. To believe otherwise is an example of self delusion. That has been Arafat's purpose in life just as much as it's been the Bush family agenda to control the world's wealth from the beginning of time.

To side with Arafat's tactics is to endorse Bush tactics. The two go hand in hand like bacon and eggs.

[vierundzwanzig]

16. It all depends

which group you talk about. The only group that has vowed to destroy Israel is Hamas. Hamas is an orthodox religious group (please take this at face value and let us not debate this). All other groups are much more secular.

There is no 'terrorist agenda'. This is a sweeping statement and makes it hard to address the focus of these groups. Some have very well defined objectives that are a lot less extreme than others.

To also say that all groups do not care who is killed or maimed is much too broad. What all groups have in common is that settlers are fair game. For many groups Israel proper is off-limits but not all.

As a consequence it can be said that by removing the settlements you can reduce the number of potential casualties. So there is a way to deal with the issue.

Once Israel's leadership admits this it can make Israel safer for its citizens.

Please do not give me the usual answer 'But then we let the terrorists win'. You can either insist on certain principles and deal with very negative consequences or pursue at least an improvement of a situation.

[GabysPoppy]

17. Response

"which group you talk about. The only group that has vowed to destroy Israel is Hamas. Hamas is an orthodox religious group (please take this at face value and let us not debate this). All other groups are much more secular."

Bullshit - That is like saying someone is "slightly pregnant"


"There is no 'terrorist agenda'."

See answer above. Terrorism by its definition alone is its agenda. Please tell me what the "agenda" is of these "other" organizations to justify their rush to claim responsibility for a suicide bomber. Because Rumsfield's agenda might differ from Ashcroft's agenda doesn't make one of these assholes better than the other.



"As a consequence it can be said that by removing the settlements you can reduce the number of potential casualties. So there is a way to deal with the issue.

I would LOVE to see dismantling of settlements. I would also LOVE to see some intelligent individuals from BOTH sides at a table discussing this problem. Until then they are an ugly albatross around everyone's neck.

Please don't give me a "sweeping" answer that WHEN the settlements are unilaterally disbanded, these terrorist organizations will go away and stop brainwashing these kids from wanting to strap on their belly bombs. UNILATERAL by it's own definition does not mean negotiation.

[Gimel]

18. But you are forgetting ,,,

Islamic Jihad has the same philosophy, as does Hizbullah. Then there are the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, and the PFLP. All of them vow to destroy Israel.

[bluesoul]

20. Sure, all of them

Palestinians....

[GabysPoppy]

21. .

:shrug:

[bluesoul]

22. That's your standard

response to all of my posts? interesting...

[GabysPoppy]

23. When you say something I can understand and on message

I will gladly respond

[Blitz]

24. Tanzim, Force 17,

Fatah, Arab Liberation Front (Saddam's bankers in Ramallah ... now largely out of work), Palestine Liberation Front, PLO, etc.

[Forkboy]

19. dingdingDINGDINGdingding

there goes the logic train and Rudeina missed it.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

25. two possible conclusions...

"Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's chief adviser Nabil Abu Rudeina" needs to trade in his cell phone for a clue phone...

or

"Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's chief adviser Nabil Abu Rudeina" is a lying sack of shit...

[Forkboy]

26. How about both?

They both sound right to me.