Palestinian farmer is shot dead

[Resistance]

Nothing to see here, please move along.

BBC News

Israeli troops have shot dead a Palestinian farmer as he drove to work, Palestinian witnesses have said.

Ahmad Nazal was travelling to his field in the West Bank village of Qabatia when he was killed by Israeli soldiers responding to gunfire, witnesses said.

Rescue workers told the Associated Press news agency that he was not armed.

[packerssuck]

1. Don't throw stones at cops if you don't wanna get shot, duh!

[Resistance]

2. LOL

Yeah, throwing a stone does warrant the Death Penalty! It is not clear that this bystander was throwing anything, though.

Well, it's still brave of the IDF to take out an unarmed farmer anyway. Y'know, just to be safe!

Great post though! :D

[izzie]

3. He should not have been in his own field.

He must be nuts.

[Herschel]

4. A sad accident

Nothing more. Perhaps we should concern ourselves with the outlaws firing on Israeli soldiers.

[lefty_mcduff]

5. With the amount of carnage...

...passed off as 'sad accidents' and 'colateral damage' shouldn't we concern ourselves with getting trigger happy IDF better training?

[Herschel]

6. Begging your pardon

I do not believe returning fire qualifies as trigger happy.

[lefty_mcduff]

7. No. Begging *your* pardon.

Report sez he was unarmed (and NOT the source). Don't think this incident fits into 'returning fire'. And it ain't the first time the IDF have been, ahm, less than accurate with ahm, return fire

[Herschel]

8. I do understand

this unfortunate person was struck in crossfire. Yet, when Israeli soldiers are under fire, it will be returned. The outlaws attacking should consider the danger to their people.

[lefty_mcduff]

9. He was not caught in crossfire.

That would be an 'accident'.
He was shot *AT*.
Hence my term 'trigger-happy'.
Which I stand by.

[Herschel]

10. Indeed you are correct

He was shot at. I was in error. Sadly, he was driving a suspicious vehicle and did not stand down after warning shots. A proper elimination, though unfortunate.

[lefty_mcduff]

11. "A proper elimination"?!!!

Less than 'progressive' attitude towards unnecessary death of some poor schmuck who was blown away by trigger happy soldiers as he journeyed to work.

[Herschel]

12. See the article

While unfortunate, I see no wrongdoing by Israeli soldiers in the matter.

[lefty_mcduff]

13. Already did.

IDF 'spokeperson'.
Talking to a reporter.
About an unarmed Palestinian getting blown away.

And the very best, the *VERY* best damage control that this PR hack can come up with, is that the Palestinian was driving a 'suspicious car'. It it was my son, I'm afraid my opinion would be a little more rabid than 'unfortunate'. I'm also afraid that I don't believe the IDF. Why?

This crap happened all the time when I was in N. Ireland. My father's best friend was shot in the back while driving through a check point. It was later discovered (in the reluctantly launched investigation) that he received conflicting commands from the entry and exit point soldiers. Up until that bit of evidence came up, it was always reported by Provo Force PR hacks that he 'had made a run for it'. You see Herschel, sometimes armies have trigger happy goons. The IDF is no different. The army that the trigger happy goons belong to, does everything possible to cover their arses. The IDF is no different. Where the IDF get unique props is for their cheerleading squad, which rise each and every time to the IDF's defence, regardless of the situation.

[Forkboy]

15. Give it up Lefty

To some little Israel is ALWAYS right,and will do the most amazing contortions to justify anything.

It's the progressive way dontcha ya know? :crazy:

[lefty_mcduff]

16. Can't. Stop. Must go to work...

(me - steps slowly away from laptop)

[Herschel]

17. My sympathy

for your father's friend. However, in this case, gunfire will be returned. It is difficult to know details from this distance, yet I see no evidence this killing was unjustified. I will leave it at that.

[Gimel]

22. If it happened there

it happened here. Is that the logic? Nice way of incrimination. Or are you saying this is what happens in war, mistakes are made? In your example, conflicting orders were given to a civilian (?) at a checkpoint. No evidence of that here. It was not even at a checkpoint. So you believe every report is false because the IDF is just like the Irish? the British? Who knows. For sure they were at fault. That's what counts in your view. Somewhere in the world there is an innocent person killed every day. Then blame the IDF for they must be at fault. This logic does not pass muster. Sorry.

[Resistance]

23. we all know the IDF recklessly murders people

let's not try and be their defense attorneys now! :)

[lefty_mcduff]

29. No.

I was merely attempting to illustrate that even in my narrow field of experience, whenever *unarmed* civilians are gunned down by *occupying armies* it's probably best not to automatically believe in whatever story their PR hacks dictate to the press to *explain* why some poor schmuck is dead. That's *my personal* experience. Guess a kind of 'question authority' approach to most situations. Especially siutations that have a few wrinkles in them to begin with (Bush and Iraq a more recent example).

I was not trying to say that the IDF are like the Irish. Or the British. (Though I suspect you already knew that).

If you read the article in question, you wil see that the IDF blew away an *unarmed* civilian on his way to work. That *already* raises the spectre of , and at the very least, over zealous (trigger happy) soliders. Nothing that the IDF 'spokesperson' negates that. And I don't generally trust government (especially military) sources to begin with, because of my experiences, *including* the one I shared in a previous post.

Many people believe, and debate the position, that the 'glorious' IDF is never at fault, never makes mistakes. I don't share that opinion. Sorry I confused you.

[Forkboy]

14. Well,that's a suprise!

:eyes:

[brainshrub]

33. A "proper elimination" !!!???

The farmer was a human being, not a bowel movement!

[Herschel]

34. Indeed

"An Israeli army spokesman told Reuters that soldiers shot the driver of a suspicious vehicle after he ignored warning shots and shouts to stop."

He failed to stand down. Unfortunate.

[Darranar]

35. Why do you trust army spokesmen?

They have lied in the past.

[brainshrub]

36. I've never been shot at,

but I've been thinking:

If I was driving my car to work and I heard gun shots... I would speed up! How would I know I was getting warning shots instead of being shot at?

I'm not being snarky here, but I wonder about that every time I hear about how an innocent family was killed despite receiving "warning shots".

[Resistance]

38. Umm brainshrub

you're not supposed to think, bud! Cut it out will ya??

:party:

[Gimel]

18. Missing viewpoint

The Israeli army spokesman's statement is not of interest. Just move along. Take the one side and throw out the other. The "objective" BBC report is further mutilated and and rehashed so one side only appears here. Good work!/sarcasm tag.

[Resistance]

19. Israeli army spokesman ain't nuthin' but shit

And BBC is antisemitic too! Yahoo!!

:crazy:

[Herschel]

20. Well done

Some are quick to believe so called Palestinian witnesses, yet disregard official word of the IDF. Oh, my.

[Resistance]

21. Yeah dawg!

Palestinian witnesses ain't nuthin but shit!

[Forkboy]

25. But we're supposed to agree with someone

who believe Arabs have their own smell :shrug:

[Herschel]

26. Please!

Address the issue at hand, rather than old arguements.

[Resistance]

28. Let's see, what was the issue at hand?

I forgot! :D

[Resistance]

27. So whats tha problem?

Y'see, the "official word of the IDF" must be adhered to, dawg. It's your patriotic duty!

:hi: :dem:

LOL

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[Resistance]

31. you're gettin it chief

Now, say it with a smile on your face!

:o

[number6]

32. I believe the official word of Bush

I believe the official word of Rummy
I believe the official word of the IDF
I believe the official word of John A$hcroft
I believe Bush showed up for his Guard Duty
I believe in Munchkins and the tooth fairy
I believe Dennis Miller and Bill O'Reely ...
are Fair n Balanced :evilgrin:
... ok not realy

[JohnLocke]

40. ??

[tinnypriv]

30. And the IDF are admitted liars

Your point?

[Resistance]

37. it was only a Palestinian farmer

the entire discussion isn't really worth the time, y'know?

:party:

[undergroundrailroad]

39. Locking per I/P Guidelines.

Not a recent article.

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