Do you support a two-state partition in Israel?

[IronLionZion]

I would say the best chance for peace is a partition along the green line. Palestine will be the West bank and Gaza. Jerusalem will be partitioned as well. Keep in mind that Jerusalem was originally meant to belong to the world, but Israel moved its capital there from Tel Aviv.

The best chance to get there is with progressive leaders on both sides such as Barak and Abbas. And an even-handed Democrat here in America.

Feel free to explain your answer.

[Resistance]

1. my view is one-state bination solution is best at this point.

however, if both sides were to agree on a two-state partition which followed the general outlines you've given, I would support it. (so that's a 'Yes' for me)

[Muddleoftheroad]

2. I support a two-state solution

One state will not happen unless one side or the other leaves.

However, I support Jerusalem staying as it has been, the indivisible capital of Israel, so clearly the Green Line is imperfect.

[IronLionZion]

3. This is the green line if you didn't know

also called the 1967 armistice line
the Golan heights were part of Syria

[MikeGalos]

8. Nope

The "Green line" is the 1949 cease fire line.

As a further FYI, the map you showed is the map showing Israel as of the 1949 cease fire line plus the territories held as part of UN SCR 242(1967) and UN SCR 338(1973) minus the land returned to Egypt as part of the 242 and 338 compliant peace treaty from Camp David and not adjusted for whatever border changes occur as part of a 242 and 338 compliant treaty with other nations.

[IronLionZion]

11. ok I stand corrected

It was just for anyone who had no idea what the boundaries would be.

I did a google image search and posted the first one that looked ok

[Aidoneus]

4. by what criteria do you refer to them as "progressive leaders"

?!

[IronLionZion]

5. in relation to that right-wing asshole Sharon

and Arafat. Progressive as in not a hard-liner and willing to compromise/negotiate.

[Aidoneus]

6. misuse makes such a term meaningless

Eugene V. Debs was a "progressive"; Mahmoud Abbas is a weak puppet, General Barak a two-faced hypocrite.

[MikeGalos]

9. If you're going to be critical of others usage, at least be correct!

Eugene V. Debs was a Socialist.
Robert M. LaFollette was a Progressive.

There's a difference.

[Aidoneus]

16. the lower-case 'p' that I used doesn't imply specificity..

[MikeGalos]

7. Well, gee, shame you didn't present the facts

for example there are two major errors in just your first paragraph (and since you only presented two "facts" that's not a really good track record):

1. Jerusalem under the 1948 UN partition plan agreed to by Israel but rejected by EVERY SINGLE ARAB STATE called for Jerusalem to be held in international control for 10 years and then become a part of whatever state the residents voted for in a supervised election. Seeing how Jerusalem has had a majority Jewish population for all of the 20th Century and Jews have been the largest ethnic group since they started doing a census back when Lincoln was in office, it's pretty safe to assume that this overwhelmingly Jewish city would vote to be a part of the Jewish state when the election would have been held in 1958.
   
   
2. Israel's capital has ALWAYS been Jerusalem. The government held a temporary site in Tel Aviv from 1948-1950 during the period of the Arab Invasion but always said Jerusalem was the capitol and officially moved to its permanent site in Jerusalem in 1950 and has never left there. (oh, and the US Congress passed a law recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol and ordering the US embassy moved to Jerusalem in 1995)

[IronLionZion]

12. so what if they rejected it

it was a good plan and can still work. Even the damn roadmap would be better than what we have now. Both the UN plan and the roadmap are fair.

[_Jumper_]

13. The UN plan was DOA

It would have given Jerusalem to Israel in 10 years. Neither Muslims or Jews are going to give that "holy" city to the other side.

[IronLionZion]

14. It's better than the blatant oppression and terrorism we have now

over the rest of the land. If I were making this decision, I would give up Jerusalem to get the rest of it. Then there would be peace.

[_Jumper_]

15. You aren't a Muslim or Jewish fundie

Those people will not give up their precious Jerusalem. They would rather start WW3 than do that.

I'd do the same thing you would do. It is just a piece of land.

[_Jumper_]

10. 2 states with Jerusalem under UN control

n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. Never

And never again. Jerusalem is the indivisible capital of Israel.

[Lithos]

18. Locking

Per I/P Guidelines - Not based on a recent news or op-ed article.

Lithos
FA/NS Moderator
Democratic Underground