Soldiers nab Palestinian boy with bomb

[Gimel]

Israeli soldiers on Monday caught a Palestinian boy who unwittingly tried to carry a bag containing a suicide bomber's explosives belt through a West Bank checkpoint, an officer said.

"Ten-year-old Abdullah works at the checkpoint transporting luggage from one side to the other," the officer, who identified himself only as Lieutenant-Colonel Guy, told Reuters.

" asked him to carry through a bag...and left," the officer said. " just wanted to make money. We will release him. He's just a poor kid."

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"The policewoman prevented a suicide attack ," the colonel said. He said the explosive belt was also packed with nuts and bolts, which militants use to make bombs deadlier. It was also connected to a cellular telephone.

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Army Radio reported Monday that soldiers were searching for an armed Palestinian who opened fire on troops during the demonstration.

On Sunday, 10 Palestinians and an IDF soldier suffered light injuries during a demonstration in the same area. An Israeli protestor was also arrested.

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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/404939.html


A two day report on activities in the west bank.

[drdon326]

1. Now a *10* yo is involved with bombs...

Can a 3 yo be far behind ??

[Evil_Dewers]

2. Better X-ray those preggers Palestinian women

Or just force 'em to have abortions like China does.

IS-RAEL

IS REAL

"progressive."

[GabysPoppy]

3. That's your comment to a 10 year with a bomb?

:shrug:

[Evil_Dewers]

4. When the topic was a Palestinian cameraman being shot by the

IDF, you brought up Daniel Perl.

:silly:

" asked him to carry through a bag...and left," the officer said. " just wanted to make money. We will release him. He's just a poor kid."

Just a poor kid who wanted to make money--didn't know what was in the bag.

Why always blame the mule for drug/gun/bomb running?

[Gimel]

6. Everyone knows

it's not the kid's fault. What we are pointing out here, is another use of children to carry arms, whether they are aware of it or not. He may have known, but it makes no difference. He's not going to be charged with a crime and imprisoned. Those responsible for giving him the bag of explosives, including a suicide bomb belt for committing homicide, should be, however. A neat trick, but it didn't get by.

[GabysPoppy]

7. Yet

"Better X-ray those preggers Palestinian women"

that makes more sense.

[Evil_Dewers]

8. Hey, Doc asked what's next, 3 year olds carrying bombs?

I just carried his "great thought" to the next step--fetuses.

[tinnypriv]

5. Well, no

Because a 3 year old wouldn't be able to carry it. :dunce:

Anyway, before you set your Outrage-Meter to White Hot, try taking on board this:

"Unwittingly"

[Lithos]

9. That is an important part of the story

The boy was unaware of what was going on.

L-

[drdon326]

11. Lithos.....

I am fully aware of that....but now *10* year olds are being

used as part of bomb delivery....unwittingly.

[GabysPoppy]

12. That IS an important part of the story

Much as been made of the "use" of children by terrorists being used as human shields and now the transporting of explosives.

The criminality of the young boy is not the story, the story is the continual use of these children. That is the "war crime". That is what should be addressed. Had there been a gun battle in the area, there is a very good chance this child might have been killed. Who then is responsible but the terrorists using this child as a "weapons mule". Had he died, does anyone doubt there would have been 50 posts about the murdering IDF?

Arguing over whether the child knew or didn't know of his cargo is just a red herring. It is also a very nice way to divert the real responsibility of the incident.

[drdon326]

13. Damn....

You are good with words...are you a lawyer or something?? lol

[Evil_Dewers]

14. So you are saying that

the IDF are experts on war crimes.

[GabysPoppy]

15. So you are saying the terrorists bear no responsibility

for giving this CHILD the explosives.

[Evil_Dewers]

16. Of course they do...

However, Doc decided to ask what's next--three year olds carrying bombs?

Has the IDF ever killed anyone who didn't deserve death?

[tinnypriv]

20. I would have thought that so fucking obvious

As to require no comment, let alone condemnation.

[Evil_Dewers]

21. It is fucking obvious, to the sane, rational people

However, some here believe that the IDF has never killed anyone who didn't deserve death.

It is implied that everyone condemns the suicide bombers and terrorists. But try getting an admission from the radical Zionists that Israel does harm to innocents and you will be greeted with


*crickets chirping*

[Gimel]

28. It obviously

deserves condemnation. This inhuman abuse of children has to be stopped. It requires LOUD COMMENT.

[Evil_Dewers]

31. What's worse?

Using children as shields or ignoring the heavy presence of children and firing into a crowd anyway?

I couldn't be a member of the IDF. I'd be a jailed Refusnik or kill myself.

[drdon326]

10. Excellent post...

you did see the word "involved"....didn't you??

[_Jumper_]

17. The PA

This starts with the PA, which creates a subculture of death in which children are seen as nothing more than future cannon fodder.

[Muddleoftheroad]

18. I'll keep saying

Close ALL border crossings. Finish the fence. Let the Palestinians work through their lives on their own.

[PsychoDad]

19. An honest question...

As the infrastructure has been decimated, Would you support the wall and aid to rebuild the palastinian economy? Or would you leave it a ghetto?

And what happens when the wall is finished and terror attacks come from within Israel, would you support Israeli attacks over the wall?

[Gimel]

29. What infrastructure

that there was, a result of Israelis investing in the Palestinian economy, was destroyed by Arafat's uprising.

[Herschel]

22. Stories like this must be remembered

when death tolls of Palestinian children are published or these children are targets for the IDF.

[LibInternationalist]

23. did you notice that the child was unaware of the bomb?

good GRIEF -- I vehemently condemn the terrorists who put him up to this, but this is ABSOLUTELY NOT a justification for the targeting of children

[Herschel]

24. Indeed

However, if the child had been detonated, it would have been included in the death toll of Palestinian children. Further, the story shows how these are put in harm's way before being killed by the IDF.

[Evil_Dewers]

25. Children are put in harm's way

walking to school, or sitting in their apartment waiting for a Israeli rocket to destroy them and the so-called terrorist living upstairs.

[Herschel]

26. Perhaps

I was pointing out that Palestinian children are often put in harm's way deliberately by Palestinians themselves, as with the case of those seeking to detonate a 10 year old. Also, those in combat, or those allowed to throw objects at Israeli forces often meet their fate. This must be remebered before blaming little Israel for deaths of Palestinian children.

[Evil_Dewers]

27. those allowed to throw objects at Israeli forces often meet their fate

I posted that story of an Israeli "settler" who beat to death a suspected 10 year old rock throwing boy and received a six month suspended sentence--and all you did is shrug.

Child killers deserve death, or at the very least, life in prison with no parole.

Unless you condemn the child killers "on your side" your side will get zero sympathy from me.

[Gimel]

30. too bad

I think the details are obscured in your post. Where's the link to that "story"?

[Evil_Dewers]

32. Details

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1129829.stm

Israeli child-killer escapes jail

A Jewish settler convicted of beating a Palestinian child to death in the West Bank four years ago has been sentenced to six months' community service by an Israeli court.

The Jerusalem District Court said a plea bargain deal was reached with Nahum Kurman taking into account his claim that he "did not mean to kill" the boy, 10-year-old Hilmi Shousha.

At the time of the killing, the Israeli authorities said he had kicked Hilmi to the ground, placed his foot on his neck and beat him on the head with a pistol butt.

The boy died in hospital a day later after suffering a head injury and fractured spinal cord.

[Evil_Dewers]

33. more

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1129829.stm

Suspended sentence

The court said in a statement that it had sentenced Kurman to six months community service and a 15-month suspended prison term. He was also fined about $17,000.

Settlers have taken up the Kurman cause

The boy was apprehended by Kurman, who was security chief of the Hadar Beitar settlement, on suspicion of throwing rocks at Israeli cars. He would have faced a prison sentence of up to 20 years if he had been convicted of murder under Israeli law.

A Palestinian human rights group said the sentence proved beyond doubt that the Israeli Government and justice system were accomplices of the settlers "in their crimes against Palestinians".

"Such sentences will encourage settlers to continue their aggression against Palestinians, dragging the region into an endless cycle of violence," the statement from Palestinian Global Dialogue and Democracy said.

Cheap life

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem called the sentence "ridiculous," accusing the judiciary of double standards.
"A Palestinians's life is cheap" the group said, and the sentence would encourage Jewish settlers "to perpetrate acts of violence toward Palestinians knowing they will enjoy immunity".

Kurman has always denied he killed Hilmi Shousha. At first he said the boy had fainted. Then he changed his story, saying he tripped while running away and his neck struck a sharp object.

Judge Ruth Or ruled that the testimony of prosecution witnesses, such as the boy's cousin, was not credible. She also rejected the findings of the chief state pathologist, saying he had been influenced by the testimony of the other prosecution witnesses.

The court ruled that Kurman's responsibility was limited because he had tried to revive the dying child.

Sair Shousha, Hilmi's father, condemned the sentence in an interview on Israel Radio.

"He killed, he killed. How does he get community service? This judge ... gives people a licence to kill," he said.

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[Evil_Dewers]

35. you support the Palestinian cause of getting away with murder

No I don't. Apologize immediately.

[Evil_Dewers]

36. A stiff fine went with the rather light punishment. At least the man who

murdered didn't go without punishment, and the murder wasn't just in cold blood.

Arafat needs to fine Sharon $100 billion (a stiff fine).

I think it is sick to think a $17,000 fine is a substitute for a long prison sentence if you murder a child. What, Bill Gates can murder children if he has enough money to pay off the state?

[Gimel]

38. No one should get away with murder

If you are the judge, you might do it differently, but you weren't. Many think OJ Simpson got off because of his money.

[Evil_Dewers]

39. OJ Simpson got off because of his celebrity and race, not money.

Did Martha Stewart's billion dollars help her?

Fuck no, she was convicted because she is viewed as a bitch. If Martha was a man, she would have never even been charged.

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