Moderate Muslims cannot ignore the terror in their midst

[drdon326]

To begin with, it's not very easy to know what any "community" thinks. By default, one goes to those organisations that are designated "community leaders". The two groups that head the list are the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB). They are quite different. The MCB is an umbrella for about 400 affiliated Muslim groups, including the MAB. Sheltering under that umbrella are the good, the bad and the ugly, which means that the MCB is pulled in many directions.

The MAB is quite a separate matter. It pulls firmly in one direction. Though its leaders are routinely used as spokesmen by media and politicians, this group has associations with the Muslim Brotherhood, the mother of all Islamist groups, founded in Egypt in 1928. The Brotherhood's ideal scenario is to reinstate the Islamic caliphate and have Muslims live in Islamic states under sharia. In pursuit of this goal, its members have been implicated in various assassinations in the Arab world, including that of Anwar Sadat. They have spawned terrorist groups in Pakistan and the Middle East, the best-known being Hamas.

The MAB's admiration of the Brotherhood has led it to venerate a number of very unpleasant people. The late Sheikh Yassin, former leader of Hamas, is described by them as a paraplegic of gentle mien and high moral principles. Putting aside one's views about how Yassin's life ended - assassinated by the Israelis - and concentrating on his life on earth, insofar as Yassin addressed anything moral, it was to bequeath a moral basis for mayhem, murder and suicide bombers.

Yassin was initially against using women as human bombs, but only for reasons of sharia: female bombers would have their body parts exposed when blown to bits and would also have to have a male escort when going to an assignment. He manfully overcame these scruples.

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[Classical_Liberal]

1. It would be even better if moderate Israelis reined in the settlers

take care of both sides.

[bluesoul]

2. Amen!

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[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Yes they can

In fact, they do quite a good job of ignoring it.

[bluesoul]

4. Like Israel

ignores the fanatics among them...

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. No, actually Israel prosecutes fanatics

The PA gives them the olay process of law enforcement.

[bluesoul]

7. You mean like all those thousands

of illegal settlers on Palestinian land that continue to be there? Sure, they prosecute them, like 2 people so Sharon gives the impression as though he does something, while in the meantime Israel continues to occupy Palestinian territories... :boring:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. Oh really???

Just because you haven't put in any effort to learn about groups like "Revenge of the Toddlers" that routinely drop bombs into the windows of PALESTINIAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, doesn't mean that they don't exist or that Israel does ANYTHING about them. I don't see them firing missiles into downtown Tel Aviv to fight THOSE terrorists. I don't see them using flechette rounds in crowded marketplaces to take down one SUSPECTED member of Revenge of the Toddlers.

[bluesoul]

11. Wow I didn't know about them

Israelis have terrorist groups that put bombs in schools and other civilian objects? I am shocked!!!

[drdon326]

13. Proof???

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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. Proof of what? Their existence???

http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0409/mideast.html

I chose this article in particular to show exactly how the Israeli government turns the other cheek at this brand of terrorist.

[Classical_Liberal]

10. How come they haven't prosecuted the settlers?

?

[Scurrilous]

16. Jewish underground defendant cleared of terrorism charges

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/412584.html

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"A panel of District Court Judges yesterday found Zuriel Amior innocent of charges in the case of the Jewish underground, and an attempt by extreme paramilitaries to bomb an Arab girl's school in Jerusalem in 2002."

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"The prosecution and Shin Bet General Security Services expressed bitter disappointment at yesterday's verdict. "It was not enough for the judges that we brought them fingerprints of Zuriel Amior on the bomb for them to convict him with preparing the bomb," they said. "It appears that even if we had delivered Amior's finger taped to the bomb, it would not have been enough for a conviction," they noted."

<snip>

"The prosecutors maintain that the failure to convict Ben-Baruch was a result of training members of the Jewish underground get. The judges acknowledged this in their verdict: "We have the impression the defendants were informed, and perhaps even prepared, before questioning."

They also acknowledged that the defendants were probably not telling the truth "because they are guided by higher values."

[drdon326]

6. My favorite part...

"Yassin was initially against using women as human bombs, but only for reasons of sharia: female bombers would have their body parts exposed when blown to bits and would also have to have a male escort when going to an assignment. He manfully overcame these scruples."

[Classical_Liberal]

9. That could have been exposed in a trial very easily

otherwise it is just hearsay from sources known to lie. This was a dumb move on the part of Israel and it proves the Israelis aren't really interested in their own security, since you they have made Yassin a martyr.

[drdon326]

12. Yeah...sure....

total hearsay.

And that videotape she made was fabricated also, right??

[Classical_Liberal]

14. I didn't see one.

anyway it still could have come out in trial. Israel jsut made itself look like a bunch of vigilanties. with no respect for law an order. A bunch of mafia members. How fucking hard is it to arrest a paralysed person?

[drdon326]

15. No respect for law and order ??

I cant tell if youre joking or serious.

The Pa gives a wink and a nod to hamas,pflp,IJ and al-aqsa
and YOU want to talk about law and order???:crazy:

Is it too early for a drink??

[Classical_Liberal]

17. So if a criminal has no respect for law an order, the cops and courts

should have no respect either. Is that what your saying? Police officers should just string people up without trial.

[bluesoul]

18. Oh so Israel doesn't

need to respect law and order Don? SO what you're saying is they just a lawless and orderless country (not a democracy) that can do whatever they like, without regard for the consequences? Well well...