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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:27 AM
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Behind burning eyes
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 08:26 AM by Classical_Liberal

Not to moderators. The title is edited because it wouldn't fit on one line. You may change it as you see fit.

The study showed that 52.8 percent of the settlers define themselves as very religious or national ultra-Orthodox. They do not accept the Chief Rabbinate's kashruth supervision, they believe in the vision of the rebuilding of the Temple, and they live without televisions and newspapers. Among this group, 75.5 percent live in a mobile home or shipping container, and 62.9 percent state that the primary reason they went to live on the hilltops is to fulfill the commandment to settle the Land of Israel. For 49 percent of them, the most important things in life are the love of God, the worship of God, the fulfillment of the commandments, the kingdom of God, and Jewish morality.

What exactly is this Jewish morality? Some 73.5 percent said that the solution to the Jewish-Arab problem is "expulsion, war and vengeance." A minority supported annexation according to halakha (Jewish law), transforming the Arabs into the biblical ger-toshav - foreigners living in the land. A debate is ongoing in this group, between extremists who support taking revenge against the Arabs (vengeance even has its own dance at weddings, based on the last words of Samson), and the moderates who oppose this, even though most of them believe that those taking revenge should not be censored.

Some 26.5 percent do not believe that the hilltops will be evacuated, but if they are, 38.8 percent declared that they will exercise passive resistance, 22.4 percent will actively resist, and 10.3 percent are wavering between active and passive resistance. According to Kaniel's weighted calculations, the total number of supporters of active resistance is over 41 percent. But even these statistics pale against the next finding: Some 20 percent of those who were asked oppose army service because, they say, the army does not operate according to the way of God, while the level of confidence in the army, the Shin Bet and the police is 3 on a scale of 1-5.

The settlers, Kaniel stresses, are disappointed in the functioning of the secular state, and reject the "religion" of democracy. All believe that there is an ideological and religious war taking place between Judaism and extreme Islam, and some see the state and Zionism as a process that has ended. Therefore, it is possible, according to them, to take the extreme step of not serving in the army......

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/425949.html(aparently the article was scrubed) Here is the google archive.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Fhhhb81lfb0J:www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/425949.html+dynamo+behind+the+vote&hl=en
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:07 AM
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1. the link is missing
Either the article was pulled, or you posted the wrong link. A search for articles with "Settlers" did not turn it up. Are you sure it's on Haaretz.com?
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:25 AM
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3. Thank goodness for the google archive
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:11 AM
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2. Wow, this sure is flame bait!
Link?
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:55 AM
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4. A very limited study
Those selected for study were among the most radical. Even so, the very small sample used makes this rather useless in explaining anything other than radical behavior among settlers.

The latter is comprised of young families and a small number of bachelors living either on hilltop settlements or in outposts, and range in age from soldiers in their late teens to those in their late 30s. All in all, this group encompasses about 600 people, among which Kaniel sampled 56 settlers from 27 outposts and hilltops.

These aren't even inhabitants of the settlements themselves, but the younger more radical late-comers.

Too bad you omitted the first paragraphs which contained that vital information, and didn't even indicate that you were omitting anything.


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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:54 PM
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6. I don't have to indicate I am ommitting anything
The fact that a link is provided and at the end of the snipetts and the fact that I do a ...... makes it pretty obvious. Furthermore there is a limit to how many paragraphs one can include from an article so what is your point?
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:45 PM
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7. the point is...
selective quoting could have made Israel look better than the reality...that's all.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:21 PM
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5. Rivka Mitchell: Settler "scum"?
Confessions of an Actress:

"It is no longer my country"

"For me, this business called the state of Israel is
finished...I can't bear to see it anymore, the
injustice that is done to the Arabs, to the Bedouins.
All kinds of scum coming from America and as soon as
they get off the plane taking over lands in the
territories and claiming it for their own...I can't do
anything to change it. I can only go away and let the
whole lot go to hell without me." Israeli actress (and
household name) Rivka Mitchell, quoted in Israeli
peace movement periodical, "The Other Israel", August
1998.


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