EU pressures Israel to dismantle security wall

[Classical_Liberal]

EU pressures Israel to dismantle security wall

The European Union (EU) has renewed pressure on Israel to dismantle its West Bank security barrier after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) declared it illegal.

"The wall not only results in confiscation of Palestinian land and causes untold humanitarian and economic hardship, but also could pre-judge future negotiations and hinder a just political solution to the conflict," EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said.

The ICJ said the barrier had illegally imposed hardship on thousands of Palestinians and should be torn down.

European Commission spokesman Jean-Christophe Filori earlier said the EU had long been concerned that the route of the barrier did not follow the 1949 armistice line between Israel and the West Bank, and that it could hinder a peaceful settlement of the Middle East conflict......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1150841.htm

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[Classical_Liberal]

4. Moving the wall to the green line will not cause suicide bombings

It will just prevent the annexation of the west bank. That will do more to prevent suicide bombings than anything.

[drdon326]

7. Horseshit.

"That will do more to prevent suicide bombings than anything."

Funny thing to say considering hamas et al are sworn to destroy
israel. Feel free to believe that mindless nonsense.

I have no doubt israel will tell the EU to shove it.

[Classical_Liberal]

10. When Palestinians have a state on all the west bank and gaza

and their capital is in east Jerusalem, we will see for sure, won't we? My bet is that Hamas will wither away and die.

[number6]

27. you must ultimately want a one man, one vote state

one vote for every Palestinian ...

they certainly don't have any land left for thier own state

[Classical_Liberal]

3. It is Israel's largest trading partner

In its trade agreement with Israel it has clause that mentions progress toward human rights. So it isn't wise to tell them to shove it, but you go on anyway. At some point the world is going to start rebelling against the hegemony of the fundy dumbasses and right wing likud supporters in America, and it might as well be now.

BTW, France was right about the Iraq war and it is right about this.

[aneerkoinos]

35. Yes

And because US has been unable and unwilling to put enough pressure on Israel and to do anything effective for peace in Middle East, time has come for EU to face it's moral responsibility and also to look for her own interests which require peace and stability in EU's neighbourhood. EU should start with a threat of few well placed economic sanctions against Israel, and to gradually tighten them if Israel does not change it's policies.

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[Jim Sagle]

21. I don't need you to tell me where to post.

[aneerkoinos]

25. OK

But I'm glad to see my advice on style and content was not rejected. :)

[Jim Sagle]

29. My eyes glazed right over it.

[number6]

19. get to together with Bill O'Reilly

have a France bashing fest ....

THE WALL IS EVIL

[Jim Sagle]

22. But a very necessary one.

The Peace Fence...making the world a better place, one brick at a time.

[number6]

28. build the Security Barrier on your own property

;):hi:

[Gimel]

5. Nothing has done more

Only the separation fence has stopped suicide attacks. Only the separation fence has succeeded in bringing calm to Israel. Only the separation fence will allow for a peaceful solution. The Peace Fence has succeeded where Three US presidents have failed. Oslo failed, the Camp David II failed, and the Road Map has failed.

Dismantle the fence? You're out of your f***ing mind.

[Classical_Liberal]

11. It will do just as good of a job of stopping them on the green line

. The last US president failed with alot of help from Richard Perle.

[cid]

18. Build the fence on Israeli territory, dont build it so you can

grab yet more land from the Palastinians. By the way, about three times as many Pals have died from Israeli attacks then have died in Israel.

[number6]

32. Right on ! cid

;)

[Gimel]

38. No agreement

There has been no border agreed in negotiations. The fence can be moved when necessary. Cases of hardship are being taken into consideration (see Israel's high court decision).

Most of the Palestinians died attacking Israelis or the IDF.

[Betty The Younger]

6. Let me translate what the EU is saying:

Israel PLEASE dismantle the Barrier/Fence so WE'RE safe from radical terrorist attacks!? PLEASE?

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[drdon326]

14. Oh...thats too damn funny...

its ok for israelis to be EXPOSED to suicide bombers but its
not ok for Jerkoff Chirac to be exposed to suicide bombers.

That little putz would sell his own mother not to upset any
terrorist.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. Since moving the fence to the green line will not expose ISRAEL to

suicide bombers what are you talking about?

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[Classical_Liberal]

17. There is an alert button at the lower left hand of every post

one can use to alert moderators.

[aneerkoinos]

20. I know

But using it just feels wrong somehow. Perhaps because my post advicing to kill Bush if he got re-elected got deleted few days ago ;)

(I wasn't being serious, and well aware I was breaking of the rules :))

[Jim Sagle]

23. My post represents a defense of democracy, not fascism.

I'm sorry you feel otherwise.

[aneerkoinos]

26. bigotry is the roots of fascism

But I haven't questioned your support of democracy or accused your posts of a fascist mindset. But in fact, democracy and fascism are not opposites or exclusive. The opportunity to elect fascist leadership, if the people so will, is the very essence of the majority rule.

[number6]

33. you are right

the KKK can have a democracy, just let white Christain male
people vote period, its a democracy (a white racist facist democracy)

[number6]

31. where the fuck(cheney) does he(she) say

its ok for Israelis to be EXPOSED to suicide bombers ????

[Betty The Younger]

41. I don't see how what drdon326 said would "incite" violence?

Who would do the violence? And what would be the incitement? Just driving a Israeli bus down a street? or Chirac's mug on it? If your saying the Palestinians would do violence then why would the onus be on Israel or Chirac? Just for driving a bus down a street?! Or Chirac's mug on the bus?! Bushies face on the bus I could understand -in any street in the world-(outside of freeperville), but if the Palestinians would do violence for a simple act of driving a bus down the street, how in the world can they be trusted to NOT do violence for the hard complicated choices life throws up?

[Classical_Liberal]

13. The real devil are the Likudniks who are annexing the west bank

. I am not going to wish the same thing on Sharon, because I am not a barbarian. Furthermore the Israelis can still build a security fence. They just have to build it on the green line.

[Jim Sagle]

24. The boundaries are not fixed as so many like to pretend.

They are to be negotiated.

[aneerkoinos]

30. misleading

There's nothing unclear about the internationally recognized boundaries of Israel. They are fixed. The fact that Palestinian side has agreed to negotiate on some adjustments to the boundaries in order to achieve final peace deal does not change this fact in any way.

[number6]

34. aneerkoinos, you ROCK...!!

:headbang:

[Jim Sagle]

36. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

The boundaries are NOT internationally recognized and NOT fixed.

[Classical_Liberal]

39. Wrong the International Court just recognized them in

a 14-1 decision.

[Classical_Liberal]

37. That is where the bounderies should be if there is going to be a

real two states instead of bantustans. The world will bud out when Israel stops asking us to subsidize their vices. Right now my country is giving Israel the leverage to stick Palestinins in Indian reservations. The EU will give the Palestinians the leverage to see that that doesn't happen. The Palestinians are the underdog here. They are the ones being screwed up the ying yang and given a raw deal. Israel sure as hell doesn't need any more leverage against them. Billy Baywood is right. Israel is ripping the Palestinians a new asshole just because they can. Until the Palestinians can hurt Israel with sanctions of some kind, Israel will not give them a real state.

[Jim Sagle]

40. They can declare a state right now. No one's stopping them.

[Classical_Liberal]

42. ON what land would the declare a state?

? Puny little Gaza? You have just illustrated my point. You want indian reservations. Case closed.

[Betty The Younger]

43. Israel's refusal to be pushed into the sea, THAT'S whats stopping them. nt

[Classical_Liberal]

44. Bull

That movement will die, when the Palestinians get a real state and not prison.

[Jim Sagle]

45. No bull, just fact.

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Just because you say it doesn't make it true....

It makes it complete bull :)

Violet...

[Classical_Liberal]

48. Yeah like declaring a state is the same as having one

When pigs fly.

[Violet_Crumble]

47. So what's yr problem with changing the route of the barrier?

Because any genuine translation (not that a translation is needed) of what the EU is saying would be that they expect Israel to reroute the barrier so that it follows the Green Line. Doing that would greatly reduce the suffering it's caused to Palestinians, and very few would then disagree that the motive for its path is anything but security, and Israel wouldn't be in violation of international law on this matter....

Violet...

[Betty The Younger]

50. and very few would then disagree

Please. It doesn't matter what Israel does. The next issue will be right of return. Then water. Then air. It won't end. THANK GOD! the Democratic Party is a STRONG supporter of Israel!

[Ottmar]

49. Just consider

Europeans have a bit more experience in fighting and defeating terrorism than the USA or Israel. Take the fight against the far-left RAF. They were defeated by ordinary police work. Just one example: in october 1977, a Boeing 737 of the Lufthansa was hijacked. German special squads followed the terrorists to Mogadishu and liberated the plane. The result: No hostage was killed during this action and even one hijacker survived. Just remember the last US mission in Mogadishu to see the difference.

Many of the RAF terrorists fled to the GDR. So after US and Israeli logic, Western-German troops should have invaded the GDR. Do you think the NATO would have been solidly united in this case? Even if that wouldn't have started WWIII?

Israel (and the US) aren't fighting terrorism, they wage war and produce terrorism. So don't try to translate what the EU is saying, take it literal.