Indignant France sees ulterior motives in Sharon's emigration plea

[Flagg]

INDIGNANT FRANCE SEES ULTERIOR MOTIVES IN SHARON'S EMIGRATION PLEA
Received Monday, 19 July 2004 12:24:00 GMT

PARIS, July 19 (AFP) - France reacted with indignation Monday to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's call for Jews to flee to Israel, with politicians, press and religious leaders angrily rejecting his claim that the country is prey to the "wildest anti-Semitism."

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But French Jewish leaders, who have persistently denounced the growing violence against their 600,000 strong community, rallied against the comments, with Richard Prasquier of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions (CRIF) accusing Sharon of "pouring oil on the fire in an unacceptable fashion."
"Some Jews are indeed asking questions about leaving. That is true. But in order to leave one must be of the opinion that the situation is out of control. And that is not the case," he said.
According to figures from the Jewish Agency, the body responsible for "aliyah" or immigration to Israel, some 2,300 French Jews made the move in 2003, a slight drop on the previous year. However the figure was less than 1,000 three years ago, before the start of the second Palestinian intifada.
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The newspaper said that by slurring France's name with none-too-subtle associations with the wartime Vichy era, the prime minister wanted to remove the country's legitimacy as a partner in the Middle East peace process.
"His assault is aimed at undermining the credibility of President Jacques Chirac, one of the European Union's most eloquent advocates for a Palestinian state," it said.
The left-leaning Le Monde agreed, saying that since the September 11 attacks some American Jewish organisations have been bent on portraying France as a country "complicit in the Holocaust, where not a single Jew can feel safe. For two years these accusations have poisoned not just Franco-American relations, but Franco-Israeli relations too."
The evidence, according to Le Monde, is that Sharon is concerned less about provoking a rush of emigrants from France -- which he knows is unlikely -- than in "disqualifying France from the political game in the Middle East."
"The message the Likud leader wants to pass to the American organisations is the following: that a political resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a matter between Israel and the US, and that Europe -- sullied by its pro-Arab prejudice -- must remain confined to its role as banker," it said.

http://www.ttc.org/200407191224.i6jcood01586.htm

[geek tragedy]

1. Good to see French Jews calling Sharon on his bullshit

They're FRENCH citizens, and likely patriots. They're right to tell him to fuck off.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Good to see Sharon calling the French on their bullshit.

He's right to tell them to fuck off.

(And no, I'm not a major fan of Sharon in general.)

[Flagg]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

:eyes:

[geek tragedy]

3. Why is it that French Jews are overwhelmingly siding with Chirac?

Could it be that Sharon doesn't have the best interests of French Jews in mind, but rather is trying to buttress Israel's Jewish population?

Chirawwwwwwwwwwwkkkkkkks!

[Jim Sagle]

5. And you know this, how?

[geek tragedy]

7. Well, their leaders are defending Chirac, they are staying at home, and

I'm assuming they don't have dual loyalties, but rather are loyal to France, not Israel.

[Malikshah]

19. Nothing like facts and common sense

To make a strong argument. Good on you, geek :)

[Forkboy]

4. He's a "man of peace,making the world a better place"

[physioex]

11. Bwahahaha..

Remember that meeting between Shrub and Sharon. It looked like Shrub was being walked on a leash....

"Don't worry about the americans we own them."

[Jim Sagle]

13. That's a fake quote. It's been debunked.

[Forkboy]

21. I wish someone would debunk the quote I provided too

Alas,I saw it with my own amazed eyes.

[Jim Sagle]

24. Sorry, I can't help you there.

[Forkboy]

26. I know you can't

[number6]

34. one brick at a time

:silly:

[dudeness]

44. brick by brick

:)

[Aidoneus]

6. oh bullshit..

You've sung Jabba's praises on a number of occasions.

As for his motivations, those are obvious:--available cannon fodder arriving from outside lands has been dwindling; such quotas need to be bolstered by any means.

[physioex]

9. Exactly...

And the USA along with the Christian fundies are more than happy to fund the illegal settlements...

[Name removed]

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[physioex]

12. Come you can do better...back it up with some facts...EOM

[Aidoneus]

14. "Ariel's da man, doin' the best he can...to make the world a better place"

Not a lot of ambiguity there..

[physioex]

15. Reach out and touch...Somebodys hand....

Make this world a better place...if you can.... :smoke:

[Jim Sagle]

17. That only applies on his good days.

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[newyorican]

53. Truth hurts...

even when deleted...ain't that a bitch...

[loudsue]

8. A LIKUD fan, are we? The right wing extremists of Israel.....

what a great group to support.....NOT!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[IA_Seth]

16. uh, yeah ok

And by "not a major fan" you mean what?

I would LOVE to hear you back up a feeling or claim one time, and this one would be the best. This would require you to say something even remotely negative about Israel's leadership, which I have never witnessed you do.

Tell us please, Mr Sagle, why aren't you a big fan of Sharon? Please do not use Raaaaaaaaaawwks or Suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks or one of your other common descriptions.

[Snoggera]

20. You say that Sharon is

"right to tell them to fuck off."

Can you explain why?

[Jim Sagle]

25. If you have a pulse, you already know.

[Forkboy]

27. Your posts make mine look like a Tolstoy novel

:)

[cantwealljustgetalong]

28. well, maybe cause, sometimes, in some ways, france can be...

a shitty little country...

[Forkboy]

30. Yep,and they're not alone in that

[cantwealljustgetalong]

33. not to mention...

all the shitty big countries...

[Forkboy]

36. That was my thinking

[maddezmom]

18. Chirac tells Sharon he is not welcome in France: TV

JERUSALEM (AFP) - French President Jacques Chirac informed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) he is not welcome in Paris after he urged all French Jews to leave the country immediately, Israeli television reported.


Chirac had written that "after some weeks of contacts concerning such a visit it turns out that it is impossible ... and you are not welcome following your comments," according to Channel 2 television.


An Israeli foreign ministry government spokesman refused to comment on "confidential messages."

~snip~
a tad more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1511&nc...

Wish world leaders would say the same to shrub.

[Forkboy]

22. Chirac is right to tell Sharon to fuck off

:evilgrin:

[cantwealljustgetalong]

32. and Sharon is right to tell Chirac...

to bite his baguette...

(should Sagle be flattered that you quote him rather than Tolstoy?)...

[Forkboy]

37. I dont think there is any safe comment for that one

:)

[Flagg]

23. I disagree with Chirac most of the times because he's a conservative

but you have to admit he's got some balls for a cheese-eating surrender monkey.

[Fridays Child]

29. Has the article been spiked?

I'm getting a "document not found" page from Yahoo. Hmm....

[Fridays Child]

31. Never mind.

I got it.

[number6]

35. another reason to like France

and ...Chirac is right to tell Sharon to fuck off :evilgrin:
;) :hi:

[cantwealljustgetalong]

39. earth to francophiles...

France's prison population is more than 50 percent Muslim...

thud...

[Djinn]

40. so fucking what

although I'm not agreeing with you on that - I have no idea - do you know the percentage of black men in US prisons? how about the aboriginal population of Australian jails. Guess that means they MUST committ more crimes than good law abiding Christian white folk.

This is a liberal site right?

As for the Jewish community in France, I'm sure some will migrate to Israel just as some Jewish people from others parts of the world will continue to migrate - and many will stay in France more than happily living in a country not subject to an intractable war.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

42. your interpretation is obtuse...

as if some Archie Bunker redux about minorities committing more crimes than "law abiding Christian white folk", as you put it, was the point, rather, the point is that FRANCE has not been very successful at integrating their Muslim population...

[Djinn]

43. what the fuck still holds

How succesful have ANY mainly white Christian nations been at integrating their minorities - in fact I can still use the black population in US and aboriginal population here (tho they were in first in that instance) besides I don't see how a minority being overproportionally represented in prsion demonstrates that at all.

Also if that statistic - which from my short research is wrong - proves that France hasn't integrated their Islamic population then how does that have anything to do with France supposedly being a hotbed of anti-semitism - you'd think if your assumption was correct then the Muslim population would have more to worry about than the Jewish - though maybe that was your point?

[cantwealljustgetalong]

45. I think we have a trifecta here...

1) potty mouth (again), 2) defensiveness (I doubt that would you would be making this argument if it were say about Israel and it's Arab minority instead of France and it's Muslim minority), and 3) an incoherent and presumptive leap (I made no accusations of hotbeds, nor did I specify any connection between the unsuccessful integration of Muslims and France's antisemitism, although, a connection could be supported)...

[Djinn]

51. OOOHH "potty mouth"

sorry didn't realise I was addressing a kindergarten class, here's an idea p'raps you can tell us exactly why you posted a (erroneous) statistic about the Islamic make-up of French prisons? what relevance did it have to anything.

[Forkboy]

52. I think I already know why it was posted

:)

[newyorican]

41. that explains all of the "rampant anti-semetism"

:silly:

*whack*

[Forkboy]

46. earth to francophobes

your slips are showing.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

47. some French proverbs to suit the occasion...

Le bossu ne voit pas sa bosse, mais il voit celle de son confrère.

Qui bête va à Rome, tel en retourne.

Tout est poison. Rien n'est poison. La poison c'est la dose.

Qui aime bien chatie bien.

[Forkboy]

48. I got some proverbs too

Don't approach a goat from the front, a horse from the back or a fool from any side.

We keep an eye on the scorpion and the serpent, but we do not watch out for the millipede.

If we do not change our direction, we are likely to end up where we are headed.

Every sandpiper praises his own swamp.

Too clever is stupid.

An old error is always more popular than a new truth.

A man trying to sell a blind horse always praises its feet.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

49. that's good...

and so original too...

[Forkboy]

50. And yours were?

What proverbs have you written?