A US veto on the wall is, sadly, a done deal

[dArKeR]

By Liaquat Ali Khan

Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004,Page 9

A threat to the rule of law is in the making. Before long, the UN Security Council will be moved to force Israel to dismantle the wall. Hoisting its veto, the US would block the move. And the world would

conclude -- once again and rightly so -- that the US cares little about international law and the World Court.

In an unprecedented ruling, the World Court has declared that the separation wall Israel is building in occupied Palestine is contrary to international law, and must be dismantled. The court further ordered that Israel compensate all people whose homes, businesses and farms were destroyed or confiscated to build the wall. Most importantly, the court asked the Security Council to "take action to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall."

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[Jim Sagle]

1. The UN is a pack of pro-terrorist jackals.

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2. International law can be a pesky thing

when your country has to play by the rules too.

Not to worry. Both Israel and the US have enough weapons, and might makes right, doesn't it?

[Gimel]

5. The converse

is not true either. the old motto doesn't always win because might and right should be on the same side.

[Webster Green]

3. Whacky!

:crazy:

[wtmusic]

4. No, just blinded by ideology n/t

[physioex]

6. Wrong that is Sharon....

And his illegal wall. It time for the US to stop rolling over to his will and stand up to lobbies like the AIPAC. Course I am smart enough to know this might not happen in my lifetime......

[IA_Seth]

8. How insightful

And what would you say to "Israel is a pack of pro-terrorist jackals"?

What exactly, makes one a pro-terrorist jackal?

The world has gone crazy, hasn't it Jim?

[number6]

7. pretty damn sad ..

A US veto on the wall is, sadly, a done deal

the wall is evil

[Jim Sagle]

9. The Peace Fence...making the world a better place, one link at a time.

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[Jim Sagle]

11. I/P deaths are down ON BOTH SIDES. Life is good.

:beer:

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[Jim Sagle]

13. It's not apartheid. You know that.

Once again, the green line is a probable end point for the fence. It's to be arrived at by negotiation, not by ultimatum.

The only bullies here are those Palestinians still determined to drive Israel into the sea. For now, those bullies are being checked by the Peace Fence. So yes, life is good - for all concerned.

[Classical_Liberal]

14. It is bantustan.

just look at those settler only roads, and the discriminitory courts, and citizenship laws, and the discimintory marriage laws(no race mixing). If Israel was interested in negotiating it would be doing it now.

If the green line is the end point then it should be moved there.

[Jim Sagle]

15. And it probably will, as soon as the Palestinian side faces up to the fact

that they aren't going to be driving Israel into the sea.

[Classical_Liberal]

16. They faced that along time ago when the recognized Israel's right exist at

Oslo. How did Israel reward them, by creating more settlements.

Besides discrimination shouldn't be a negotiating tactic. I suspect it isn't.

Israel had peace and still discriminated against Palestians, and segregated them and occupied them and denied them rights.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. End point?

Looking at this map, there's either no endpoint or too many endpoints:



http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/HaCohen0707.htm

The red lines are the Wall – in part already constructed, in part under construction, in part to be constructed. Now have a look at the four Palestinian villages on the left: Nahalin, Hussan, Batir, Walaja. On which side of the Wall are they? Obviously, a wrong question. They are actually encircled by the Wall, trapped by it all around. Batir and Hussan together, Nahalin and Walaja each on its own. Consider the scale: crossing any of the enclaves, from wall to wall, would take 10-20 minutes walking. Any inhabitant of these villages is never more than a kilometer (0.6 mi.) away from the wall. Not only agricultural land, but schools, hospitals, clinics, markets, shops, work, not to mention recreation, are all outside. To get out, you have to pass through a gate, through an Israeli army checkpoint. The gate is probably closed – because it's open just a couple of hours a day, or because someone up there declared a state of high alert, or because of a Jewish holiday, or because the soldier in charge didn't get up on time. And if the gate happens to be open, the soldier might let you pass (if you have got the necessary permits), or not (for whatever reason, or for no reason), or ask you for something in return: a small gift, or cursing Mohammad, Jesus or Arafat, or maybe a tip on your neighbor or brother. If your work, or your health, or your child's life depends on getting out, you'd do anything. Same if you want to get into the village – as guest, truck driver, electrician, or doctor.

There are dozens and scores of villages encircled like this all over the West Bank. Danny Rubinstein reports on some 200,000 Palestinians living north of Jerusalem, many of them holding Israeli identity cards, all totally dependent on the city for schools, hospitals and jobs, all having to get to it through the single filthy, overcrowded checkpoint of Calandia:

"The residents of these neighborhoods have also been informed of the further construction of internal fences that will provide passage into the settlements. These fences, the second phase of the separation fence project, will create five large islands in which the Palestinian populace will concentrate in quasi-ghettos." (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/444251.html">Ha'aretz, June 27, 2004)

Sometimes houses are fenced individually: Israel's TV Channel2 (June 25, 2004) recently reported of two houses on the edge of a Palestinian village, around which a Jewish settlement has grown. The two families have therefore been encircled by "their own" fence, separating them on three sides from the Jewish settlement, and on the fourth side from the rest of their own (encircled) village.

So this is no exception: it is the rule. All Palestinians should end up locked in such fences; the lucky ones might enjoy a somewhat larger cage. The location of the walls follows the standard Israeli rule-of-thumb: minimum land for the Palestinians, maximum for the Jews. The walls are constructed just meters away from the last houses of the village, but in many cases, houses are destroyed to make room. Even cultivated fields and water wells are mostly left outside the walls, so they are no longer accessible to their owners. On the map you can actually see how all the open areas are assigned to the Israeli settlements of Gilo, Har Gilo or Betar Illit, whereas the Arab villages and towns have no free inch left.

[number6]

19. no way

making the world a better place.. (NOT)

[number6]

18. the wall is still evil

..:(