Teacher shot to death while out jogging

[drdon326]

The attackers could scarcely have expected such a convenient target. They intercepted Shulamit Batito, 36, as she jogged alone Thursday morning from her settlement of Nisanit; a quick burst of fire instantly killed the community's kindergarten teacher.

Batito was the mother of Ma'ayan, 13, and Snir, nine, but she was also a sort of surrogate mother to many of the settlement's children, friends recalled as they gathered Thursday under a borrowed military camouflage tarp spread out to shade guests at the Batito family home.

After her murder and those of four other Israelis in the northern Gaza Strip over the Succot holiday, many of Nisanit's residents would rather leave before the violence worsens.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1096532047966


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yeah...those female kindergarten teachers with kids can be a
dangerous adversary.

[IA_Seth]

1. As dangerous as children....

[Jackie97]

2. I would say....

that they did that because they can't attack the military too easily without getting killed. Of course, settlers are oppressors because they're stealing land from people who are slowly being driven out of the only home that they know. I'm not saying that killing the woman was okay though.

[drdon326]

3. Did you read your own post ??

so the terrorists are too cowardly to attack someone who would
kill them , so they attack an defenceless woman.


"I'm not saying that killing the woman was okay though."

could have fooled me cause you sure found reasons for it.sheesh.

[Jackie97]

4. You do know the difference....

between an analysis and an opinion, right?

I'm simply giving the reasons why this happened. Reasons for something need to be found to prevent further occurances. The problem with just condemning somebody is that it does nothing to solve the actual problem.

The last I checked, the Israeli Defense Forces weren't exactly known for their humility towards the Palestinians. It was either this forum or another one that recently gave a list of all the children from the West Bank and Gaza strip that were killed from the IDF.

[drdon326]

5. Oh really ??

Tryimg to find "reasons" for TERRORISM and the purposeful murder of
innocents is, to some , nothing more excusing away terrorism.


"The problem with just condemning somebody is that it does nothing to solve the actual problem."

No, but condemning the acts of murderous terrorism IS the first step
to solving the prob;em.

And I noticed that YOU deliberately havent condemned the murder of
that kindergarten teacher but mustered a faint "I'm not saying that killing the woman was okay though." Feel free to condemn this cold
blooded murder any time your moral compass points you to that.


"The last I checked, the Israeli Defense Forces weren't exactly known for their humility towards the Palestinians."

AS someone who knows 2 IDF soldiers, I believe you are sadly mistaken.

[Jackie97]

6. Okay.

"Tryimg to find "reasons" for TERRORISM and the purposeful murder of
innocents is, to some , nothing more excusing away terrorism."

Un, you obviously don't know the difference then.

Let's put it another way, and use a less extreme example.

Suppose you're a teacher at a school. You see one student harassing another. The harassed student pops the harassing student on the mouth. They're both sent to the office. You explain that the kid popped the other kid in the mouth after being harassed, but still don't suggest that the kid not be punished for doing what they did. Are you condoning school violence?

"No, but condemning the acts of murderous terrorism IS the first step
to solving the prob;em."

Not really. Condemn away. Until you address the problem that's leading the terrorism, more terrorism will happen. It's like Vietnam. We kept kicking Viet Cong butt, but Ho Chi Minh was sending more fighters as fast or faster than we could kill them. That's because they wanted the right to self-determination. Oddly enough. when we left Vietnam, the Vietnamese stopped killing Americans. MAGIC!

That's what Palestinians want, the right to self-determination. More importantly, they want their freedom and equality. Violence is ugly and awful, but it's unfortunately a very common theme in liberation movements. You name the liberation movement, and I can prove that violence was done in them.

"AS someone who knows 2 IDF soldiers, I believe you are sadly mistaken."

LOL. If I say that I know two Palestinians from the territories, will that prove that they're not all a bunch of terrorists as "pro-Israelis" claim?

LOL.

[Djinn]

7. as someone who knows someone shot by the IDF

I believe you're deluded

[kung fu jew]

8. delusions all around

Did that person shot by the IDF happen to be standing next to a bunch of angry people holding Kalashnikovs and rocket propelled grenades? That's not a very smart place to stand...

[Djinn]

9. no she wasn't

she was sitting in her home, watching her grandmother cook - she was shot through her window, she was TWELVE. She hasn't lived in the OT for a long time but even if she were a dangerous Hamas member at that age (and they suddenly took in 12 year old CHRISTIAN women) that doesn't actually change the facts - here's some testimony from IDF soldiers - are they delusional too, or do you think maybe they have a better grasp of the situations they are in every day than yourself:

http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp
http://www4.alternativenews.org/display.php?id=3981
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A766-2004Jun23.html
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/ (Hebrew)

You're argument is knackered either way - if being in a stupid place is grounds for getting shot then what would you say about the insanity of moving ones family to illegal settlements in the OT?

[Jackie97]

10. Very good point.

"You're argument is knackered either way - if being in a stupid place is grounds for getting shot then what would you say about the insanity of moving ones family to illegal settlements in the OT?"

Very good point. Unlike a Palestinian, who might not always realize who they're standing next to, the Israelis know ahead of time that they're moving into a war zone.

[tinnypriv]

13. Regarding "the silence"

Which is pervasive, despite the fine efforts of that site, it should be noted that the very first stories on there detail:

1. The firing of a heavy machine gun randomly into a Palestinian town "all night" for "deterrence".

2. The "murderous" tactic of firing live ammunition at children throwing stones.

3. Shooting out water tanks on top of houses, probably just because "it's there".

4. Shooting because of "boredom".

etc.

[Forkboy]

14. Dont you guys ever get tired of being so pathetically wrong?

[tinnypriv]

12. So little time eh?

'The last I checked, the Israeli Defense Forces weren't exactly known for their humility towards the Palestinians'

"AS someone who knows 2 IDF soldiers, I believe you are sadly mistaken"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=78830#78937

Not managed to notice this? Weird...

Just imagine for one second that anything remotely comparable had happened to a Jew. Anywhere - even in the worst Czarist horror chamber. It would be seared into the memory of the world.

In this case, nobody (including you) gives a damn because it is just an Arab on the end of it. Hell, you even deny such atrocities occur - not even the right-wing press in Israel dares to say that. They say this is "yet another example" of torture and degradation. "Yet another", because the cases are so frequent and pervasive.

[Matilda]

11. The settlers make a conscious and deliberate choice

to live in the Occupied Territories. They're not forced to live
there, and they know the possible dangers.

Unlike the Palestinians, who risk their lives every day on their own
soil just going about their daily business.

[Comadreja]

15. The settlers are paramilitaries as well

They get their jollies from harassing and humiliating Palestinians, whose land they are occupying. They strut around armed and bully the populace, beating on foreign human rights workers as well. The settlers murder with impunity. They are terrorists. This woman may well have been a perpetrator of outrages and was recognized as such by the shooters. She may well have been armed while jogging. Standard procedure.

[Aidoneus]

16. Jewish teacher shot while jogging: tragedy

Arab teacher shot on his way to work: collateral damage, potential terrorist, as for the house?--tunnel, or whatever, etc.

silly humans!