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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:37 AM
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Vancouver Muslim leader calls Jews 'monkeys and swine'
The leader of a Vancouver mosque attended regularly by a local man reported killed in Chechnya has preached the virtues of jihad and called Jews "the brothers of monkeys and swine."
In a lecture posted on the mosque's website, Sheik Younus Kathrada tells an audience all real Muslims want to be martyred.

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In a recording of another lecture obtained by The Canadian Press, Kathrada lashes out at Israelis for killing Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin late last March.

"We know what happened over the last week and how the brothers of the monkeys and the swine assassinated and murdered one of the heroes of Islam, the Salah al-Din of this day and age, Ahmed Yassin."


http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=1745924

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I thought it was "dogs and monkeys"....

oink,oink.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:26 AM
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1. I read your post here --
-- and was saddened by the choice of words. I'm reading THE PLOT AGAINST AMERICA by Philip Roth right now, in which Charles Lindberg defeats FDR in the 1940 election, in effect condoning the Holocaust.

I'm glad you posted this info so I know what's still out there, but it is sad to read.

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:44 AM
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2. Welcome to Anti-Zionism 101.
please dont think what everyone else knows to be blatent unnerving
racist anti-semitism.....no,no,no...this is nothing but anti-zionism
due to the fact that the monkeys and swine refuse to die.






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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:41 AM
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3. Should I go dig up a few articles about what SOME Isrealis....
call Palestinians?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:07 AM
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4. That is sooome denounciation........impressive.
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 10:09 AM by drdon326



uhhh.....you did denounce it.....i think.


signed, the monkey and swine



lol
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:46 AM
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5. When have you denounced anything Don?
You post swill,then it's proven wrong.Nothing.

A girl is shot 20 times.Nothing.

Over a hundred Pals killed.Nothing.

Once again,your outrage is as believable as Lynne Cheney's.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:16 PM
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10. We're all missing the point here...
Religious intolerance peddled by whackjob exremists only requires denouncement if it's aimed at Jews, and if the denouncement implies that this isn't actually extremism, but mainstream thought in Islam. Anything else can be ignored, which seems to be what certain folk here do. There's a whole rich field of religious intolerance and hatred by radical clerics in Saudi Arabia aimed at Shi'tes, along with calls for their annihilation that makes anything donny posts look downright moderate, but I guess the virulent hatred of Shi'ites isn't that interesting cause after all they're Muslims...

Violet...
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:27 PM
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8. What difference would that make...
This guy didn`t even pretend to be talking about Israelis, he was talking about Jews,and he wasn`t talking as a Palistinian , he was talking as a Muslim representative.

So what is it going to prove if you dig up an article about what some Israeli said about a palestinian.

Thats a strange thing to say as most people here keep stressing the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, I guess your one of us ,that does not believe theres an iota of difference?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:51 PM
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9. So you think anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism?
Why?

In that case, count me in as being anti-Semitic because I'm anti-Zionist when it comes to Jabotinsky's revisionist-Zionism. You'll just have to ignore that I relate to post-Zionism, and I'm on the fence when it comes to mainstream Zionism, because I think it's good in theory, but when it came to implementation, things screwed up and lost their way...


Violet...
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:15 AM
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6. Wow, Late German Fascists links to the exact same article!
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:43 AM
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7. Possibly because there is mention of .....
wrongdoing/dead/guilty Arabs/Palestinians in the article?

:eyes: :shrug:
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 08:54 PM
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11. first this has NOTHING to do with I/P
second it would be easy as piss to roll off a bunch of quotes from not only Rabbi's but also Israeli Knesset members about both Arabs AND Mulsims in general that are just as vile (and worse) than what this bampot said.

BTW don one of the sources you REGULARLY posts from has several articles about how Islam is a violent and evil religion, I guess you wont post from there now given you find this sort of religious vilification and hatred so awful:eyes:
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:16 PM
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12. This has everything to do with I/P
And please find me these things said in the Knesset (part of Israel last time I checked...or maybe thats got nothing to do with IP either)

This `swine``(this cleric) to all our shame comes from my country...South Africa. Thank G-D he left...
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:01 AM
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15. Denials that extremists don't speak in the Knesset are so amusing...
You'll find those things said in the Knesset if you'd been reading this forum for the past year, which is what you claimed you'd done when that false accusation about Arafatfans was raised. Want me to go searching for you and find you some goodies?

Violet...
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:54 AM
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16. You seem awfully confused
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 01:57 AM by Djinn
this all took me a few minutes on Google, I have managed to find Rabbis, MK's, heads of Israeli parties and other Jewish "leaders" (they sure as fuck don't lead me) - why don't you have a go yourself -a first stop might be the Kahane mob...

"Arabs do not belong here, they must leave." While running for the Knesset (Israel's parliament) in 1977, he spoke of "our Arab deportation plan," of the "enormous contribution to the economy of Israel" it would make, if "Jews lived in thousands of vacated Arab homes." In his campaign for reelection to the Knesset in 1985, he raved, "No one can understand the soul of these Arab beasts, these roaches. We shall either cut their throats, or throw them out. I only say what you think. In two years' time, they will turn on the radio and hear that Kahane has been made Minister of Defense. Then they will come to me, lick my feet. And I will be merciful, and allow them to leave. Whoever does not leave will be slaughtered."

From a lovely little Kahane leaflet

JERUSALEM, July 27, 2001 - The spiritual leader of Israel's ultra-Orthodox Shas party , renowned for his racist denunciations of Arabs, said Friday that they were reproducing like insects and were destined to end up in hell.

"In the old city of Jerusalem they're swarming like ants. They should go to hell -- and the Messiah will speed them on their way," rabbi Ovadia Yossef said in a weekly sermon broadcast on army radio.


Agence France Presse

The spiritual leader of Israel's ultra-orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, has provoked outrage with a sermon calling for the annihilation of Arabs. "It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable," he was quoted as saying in a sermon delivered on Monday to mark the Jewish festival of Passover.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1270038.stm

Transportation Minister Avigdor Lieberman said during an interview with the Israeli army radio (Gali Tzahal) on Sunday the "Arabs of Israel" should be expelled if a Palestinian state was established and Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip were dismantled.

Lieberman, a former Moldovan immigrant who arrived in Israel in 1978, suggested that the existence of a large non-Jewish minority in Israel threatened the "Jewish identity" and "ethnic purity" of Israel.

(snip)

Since becoming a politician, Lapid has been able to play down his extreme political and social views…. Forgotten is his proposal to blow up a booby-trapped car in the heart of Palestinian cities


odd really coz Azmi Bishara was expelled for “implicitly” supporting the INDIGENOUS campaign to drive the illegal Israeli occupation of of Lebanon – yet this freak openly supports terror??

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=243497&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim, addressing the issue of why much of local, regional and world terrorism is directed by extremist Muslims, asked Tuesday, "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=397851&sw=genetic+defect

Yehiel Hazan (Likud MK) said that "You can't believe an Arab, even one that is 40 years in his grave." & “"In light of the fact that for decades the Arabs have been slaughtering Jews, it is in their blood, the killing of Jews is a natural act. That is precisely the meaning of the saying that one should never turn his back on an Arab."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1092021255898

The National Religious Party yesterday sent shockwaves throughout the political community as its chairman, MK Yitzhak Levy resigned and MK Shaul Yahalom stepped aside, allowing reserve brigadier general Effi Eitam to head the party. Eitam's political views are considered much farther to the right than the NRP until now, with an avowedly messianic outlook and an expressed belief that Israeli Arabs are "a cancer" in the state.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=148542&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0

And then on a slightly separate but related field how many Israeli politicians (including PM’s) were Irgun, Stern or Haganah members - terrorist organizations that is???

Is this enough for you – or do I need to continue to do your thinking for you??


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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:23 AM
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19. I thought you said its got nothing to do with I/P
... guess I aint the one whos confused?

:crazy:
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:50 AM
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20. WEAK!
If you are going to condemn one, condemn the other.

You can't even admit that you are wrong on this, in fact MANY Israeli's (Jews) have said MANY things hateful about Arabs/Muslims.

It reminds me of something I watched on TV lately...oh yeah, it was the Bush/Kerry debates....who was that?....oh yeah, it was BUSH who can't admit mistakes.

Boy, thats an odd coincidence.
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:55 PM
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21. Now you think I am Bush..
Debating 101 ?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:36 PM
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22. it DOESN'T
if a racist git in Canada says something vile about Jews then it's about a racist in Canada.

I was responding to your wildly innaccurate statement that you couldn't find plenty of instances of Israeli's (and many many others I might add) both religious and secualr, including Knesset members (who again you disputed) who had made equally vile and racist remarks.

Want to admit you were wrong yet?
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:23 PM
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13. Nothing to do with I/P??
Then why did this repugnant man the next dat try clarify his remarks by saying he was talking about ``Israelis`` and not Jews?

http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=71422909-f250-4d41-ac41-4fab5ca45aee
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 04:59 AM
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14. Easy....maybe cause....
he's a back-peddling p.o.s anti-semite who can hide behind freedom of

speech to spew his filth.



Signed, the monkey and swine infidel.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:58 AM
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17. care to address
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 01:59 AM by Djinn
the p.o.s anti-arab comments above??
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 05:08 AM
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18. Pul-eeze......
It wasnt anti-arab....*anyone* who says "Jews "the brothers of monkeys and swine" is a p.o.s. and I dont give a shit who he/she is.

If you think its "anti-arab" to call this guy ON HIS OWN WORDS , I cant help you.


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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:38 PM
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23. don I know this is hard
but maybe you could try reading OTHER people's posts - although I think you knew exactly what I was referring to.

I also think this guy is a racist piece of shit - however I also think MANY Israelis are racist pieces of shit too - including Kensset members quoted above...care to erspond or is it only racism when Israeli and Jews are at the sharp end? some of us believe it cuts both ways
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