Holocaust survivor decries treatment of Palestinians

[Forkboy]

Tensions boil as Holocaust survivor decries treatment of Palestinians

By Andrew Burmon
Thursday, October 21, 2004
last updated October 21, 2004 4:01 AM

Hedy Epstein, an 80-year-old Holocaust survivor and champion of the Palestinian cause in Israel, spoke at the History Corner last night to address the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The event, which was sponsored by the Coalition for Justice in the Middle East and the Muslim Student Awareness Network, was marked by tensions from the outset.

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On a recent trip to Israel, airport security guards informed her that based on her history as an activist she was considered a terrorist threat. She was subsequently stripped and cavity-searched.

She concluded her remarks by sharing a thought she had while standing in the shadow of Israel’s new security fence.

“When I stood next to that wall, I remembered what the motto of Holocaust survivors was: ‘Never again,’” she said. Epstein shook her head and continued, “We Jews are doing this.”

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In an effort to undermine her credibility, unidentified protesters circulated fliers claiming that the International Solidarity Movement, to which Epstein has ties, has been known to “advocate terrorist violence, excuse suicide bombings and advocate cutting holes in Israel’s fence.” Gee,from where and whom have we seen that tactic

http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=14971&repository=0001_article

[BigDaddyCaine]

1. I cant stand Israel

And i feel for Palestine. Im no expert on the matter but ive seen the Israeli army with guns while palestinians are throwing rocks. Its a one sided battle but the palestinians dont give up. Suicide bombing is a very good military tactic if used correctly. One life takes many. Its a sad war but if both sides would get together and agree they wouldnt have this problem. Neither side budges and more people die. I relate myself more on the side of palestine. I dont know why really, other than the fact that i see israel as kind of like the GOP.

Is DU split about even on the Irael Palestine issue?

[Forkboy]

3. Keep in mind

that it's not Israel you should hate,but a faction within it.It's like saying you hate America when it's just the right wing that's worthy of that feeling.Israel is a great country with many great people who are against these actions as much as many here are.

Is DU split about even on the Irael Palestine issue?

It's hard to say because we're not really allowed to speak openly about it here.There's strict rules when it comes to this issue (see the rules posted at the top of the I/P Forum).Sadly,any and all discussions on the issue get sent down here where the vast majority of DUers fear to tread :)

[Forkboy]

4. double post hilarity

[drdon326]

5. UN.FUCKING.REAL.

"Suicide bombing is a very good military tactic if used correctly. One life takes many."

You wouldn't like it so much if your family was blown into a couple of hundred pieces. Hey, but your comfortable, wtf do you you care.


"I cant stand Israel"

After reading you blatantly insipid post post, I'm sure the feeling is mutual.


Your post will go down in the annals of DU history.:puke:

[bemildred]

7. Suicide Terrorism: Development & Characteristics

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=112

Note the date. A few excerpts:

Looking at history of terrorism, it can be seen that suicide attacks are in actuality a very old modus operandi . In ancient times two notorious sects, the Jewish Sicairis and the Islamic Hashishiyun became infamous for such attacks. In the 18th century, suicide tactics were used on the Malabar coast of Southwestern India, in Atjeh in Northern Sumatra and in Mindanao and Sulu in the Southern Philippines. In all of these places Muslims carried out suicide attacks in their fight against Western hegemony and colonial rule. <1>

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The relatively high number of casualties guaranteed in such attacks, which are usually carried out in crowded areas, ensures full media coverage. Thus, suicide terrorism, ranks with other spectacular modus operandi such as blowing up airplanes in mid air or the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction as a sure means to win maximum effect.

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Suicide terror attacks started in Lebanon in April 1983. A small—and until then unknown—group by the name of Hizballah directed a number of suicide attacks against Western targets. The first attack was directed at the American embassy in Beirut (April 1983), followed by attacks on the U.S. Marines headquarters and the French Multinational Force (October 1983). The last two were executed simultaneously and resulted in 300 casualties and dozens of wounded. The later attack made an indelible impression on world public opinion and terror organizations alike.

After the withdrawal of the Western forces from Lebanon, Hizballah redirected its suicide activities in Lebanon against Israeli Defense Forces (convoys, posts and boarder passages) and against South Lebanese Army posts. Hizballah henceforth significantly decreased its use of this modus operandi to one attack per year or less. Despite this it enjoyed its legacy as the pioneer of suicide bombings in the region.

I know, al Dawa party really did it first.

[Aidoneus]

9. decent piece, thanks

Predictable vocabulary problems and sloppily mistaken facts aside, that is.

The author mistakenly, deliberately and right at the start, takes the subject out of its context, don't agree with that.

[bemildred]

14. Eh, it's OK.

I keep it bookmarked for the historically challenged, among a
few others.

Your criticisms are well taken, but it's not a bad piece of work.

Edit: the last paragraph is kind of interesting.

[Aidoneus]

15. Not a bad piece, concluding remarks especially

That last paragraph is not at all interesting, because it never could've possibly been written:--after all, nobody could've predicted that. Anybody who says otherwise is a threat to the storyline of national security.

[Aidoneus]

10. Was it arousing, doc?

:shrug:

[Djinn]

18. where it will sit alongside

those posts talking about how arabs "smell" and how arousing their deaths are.

I'm surprised no-one's pulled the puke "self hater" line yet - I also know a camp survivor who detests what's happening in Palestine and never supported the dispossession of one group to compensate the crimes against another in which they were not at all complicit.

Some people here like to pretend that it's only anti-semites that dissapprove of land theft, occupation and murder but there's plenty of us here who not only hold these views but are also Jewish

[drdon326]

19. Name 5 who.......

"not only hold these views but are also Jewish."


put up.

[drdon326]

20. Since.....

"there's there's plenty of us here who not only hold these views but are also Jewish".

You made the statement.....time to back that up. Because if you cant
produce these "plenty of us here", then you just made it up.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. If anyone at DU supports land theft, occupation & murder...

Then they're polluting DU, don't deserve to be here, and would be better suited at some conservative cesspool like FR...

Badly worded and knee-jerk 'challenges' are today's in thing, don? This reminds me of yr challenge in GD to put up or shut up because you couldn't believe Jerry Falwell would say evil things about Muslims...

Violet...

[Djinn]

22. right because I don't come running at your beck and call

then I made it up - I actually have a life, I also live on the opposite side of the world to you, dunno know if it's passed you by but there are things called time zones.

Frankly I'm not gonna speak for other people or tell you other people's religious backgrounds - do a search if you're actually interested, and you'll find atleast 4 that have posted about it - I know of others who've told me personally - you're not though you just refuse to beleive it's possible. Sorry don but YOU don't speak for all Jews, we don't old hold the same views as you, we don't ALL get our rocks off thinking about dead Palestinians

How 'bout you point out some real "anti-semitism" on this board, you know the type you bleat on about all the fucking time and I'll do your search for you

[geek tragedy]

8. Intentionally blowing up pizzerias isn't a military tactic, brainiac. eom

[Aidoneus]

11. How about if it's a kebabria?

Note that the poster said "if used correctly". I wager that it was spoken for a reason, it would be advised to recognize and acknowledge such--why else would somebody write such a line, for it to be ignored? I agree with it. There are certain individual acts, not limited to this subject, that were brilliant moves both from an operational and psychological standpoint.

[geek tragedy]

24. Because murder by suicide bombing has done such wonders for the

Palestinian people.

The only thing the suicide bombing does is provide satisfaction to those who like seeing Israelis die.

[drdon326]

12. Drive by posting.

I would be surprised if the poster even looked back here....

or maybe too ashamed to comment.

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[QueerJustice]

13. If you say....

``Suicide bombing is a very good military tactic``
its fair to say your views are repugnant and theres nothing more to discuss with you.....:puke: :puke: :puke:

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[number6]

17. disagree

>"Suicide bombing is a very good military tactic if used correctly."

Suicide bombing is a very poor tactic, as is terrorism ...

Japanese Kamikaze pilots were basically an act of desperation..

in all the wars I can think of Suicide bombers, pilots, squads
had little effect and were counter productive ....

Suicide bombing is a waste of people and explosives
and politically counter productive ...

(waiting for flames to erupt)

[Matilda]

25. It's a good tactic in that dealing with someone not afraid to die

is unnerving. They will take risks that most of us - who will
fight for our lives - won't take.

[livinbella]

2. Good to see some compassion and understanding

Israel needs to start following the lead of men like this.

[bemildred]

6. Women, it's a she.