Israel army forces violin recital

[Englander]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4043299.stm

Thursday, 25 November, 2004, 19:43 GMT

A Palestinian man queuing to pass an Israeli checkpoint was forced by soldiers to perform an impromptu violin recital, a human rights group says.

The group's footage of the incident shows the man playing to an audience of border guards and waiting Palestinians.

Film footage of the checkpoint violin recital was shot on 9 November by Horit Herman Peled, a volunteer with women's human rights group, Machsom Watch, which monitors the conduct of Israeli troops.

Ms Herman Peled told the Associated Press news agency the Palestinian man complied with the soldiers' demand to play his instrument because "he just wanted to get through the roadblock".

http://www.machsomwatch.org/


Now,where have I seen something like this before? Oh yeah,it was in this film;
http://www.thepianist-themovie.com/

[Kire]

1. wasn't that a scene in Schindler's List?

if not, it could have been

[demnan]

2. So now the Jews think they're the only ones

who can play the violin?

Oye!

[drdon326]

3. WOW...thats really really really horrible . I smell UN resoulution !!

or perhaps one of those all encompassing ICJ investigations.:eyes:

[tinnypriv]

6. Hardly likely

Since there wasn't one when a bunch of soldiers had "roulette of abuse" with a Palestinian, forcing him to pick from three chits:

1. Broken arm.
2. Broken leg.
3. Drink of (IDF) urine.

That was at a checkpoint recently - a nice illustration of what goes on there, pretty routinely, though this is an extreme case.

If nobody outside of Israel cares about that (note: called "sadistic" in the Hebrew press), it's hardly likely they'll bother with a guy playing a violin, just as nobody was bothered when a maniac soldier forced a Palestinian to sing a song because he looked like a Jewish composer (before the Intifada).

This is all routine, and a basic feature and consequence of Israeli control of the occupied territories, which you support.

[Nicky Scarfo]

7. Your level of insensitivity to a person being subject to arbitrary power

on the basis of their ethnicity smacks of bigotry. I suppose you'd think a white cop forcing a black man to tap-dance for his amusement would be hysterical.

[drdon326]

8. In the US.....

BEFORE you get on an airplane you have to turn on your laptop.

you have to take out your camera and show its real.

They make me turn on my "BOOM-BOX"

This incident above is in light of the fact one TERRORIST woman murdered 4 check-point guards several months ago.....including a mother of one I believe.







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[Nicky Scarfo]

9. I guess the IDF takes the incident more seriously than you...

The Israeli army says the man was asked to play the instrument he was carrying to prove it was not full of explosives.

But, it said, the soldiers' conduct at the West Bank checkpoint had been insensitive and they were reprimanded.

A spokesman said the army tries to teach soldiers the need to show "sensitivity and consideration" as they contend with the "complex and dangerous reality" of policing checkpoints.

Apparently the IDF (not known for being the world's most apologetic institution) regarded the soldiers' actions as being insensitive and exceeding what was necessary to determine whether or not the violin had explosives in it. Also, the "recital" lasted for over two minutes-- did he really have to play that long to show there were no explosives in it? Apparently not, according to the IDF. And the soldiers were laughing at him the whole time. But what does it matter, he was just a filthy Palestinian anyways (SARCASM OFF).

[drdon326]

10. It was insensitive and wrong.

but hardly to the level of the suicide bomber who murdered 4 guards.

[Nicky Scarfo]

11. Well, that's a sudden change of heart from your first post that made

light of the situation. And what does the suicide bomber have to do with it? That's like me saying "Well, the white cops making the black man tap dance is insensitive and wrong, but hardly to the level of some other black man who shot up a liquor store"

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[RaleighNCDUer]

4. The old man in 'The Pianist' -- my first thought. n/t

[Englander]

5. Yes,me too."The Pianist" is a superb film,although...

harrowing and sober. Excellent use of black humour at the end when the piano-owning German officer gives Brody his overcoat-complete with Nazi epaulettes and medals!!

[AusTexDem]

12. from the Guardian

The critics were not drawing a parallel between an Israeli
roadblock and a Nazi camp. Their concern was that Jewish
suffering had been diminished by the humiliation of Mr Tayem. 

Yoram Kaniuk, author of a book about a Jewish violinist forced
to play for a concentration camp commander, wrote in Yedioth
Ahronoth newspaper that the soldiers responsible should be put
on trial "not for abusing Arabs but for disgracing the
Holocaust". 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html


kind of a self centered view of the world. 

[Englander]

13. According to IDF,the musician started busking.....

maybe he thought he was on the Underground..!!

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/busking/

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Soldiers 'did not force violinist to play'

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday December 1, 2004
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1363581,00.html

An Israeli army investigation has concluded that a Palestinian filmed playing his violin at an army checkpoint, prompting outrage among Israelis who said it diminished the Holocaust, was not forced to do so by soldiers.

But the violinist, Wissam Tayem, last night disputed the army's assertion that he started playing of his own accord, and a group of Israeli peace activists who captured the incident on video rejected the military's claim that they backed the soldiers' version of events.

"Do they think I just got out my violin and started to play at a checkpoint?" said Mr Tayem.

But a statement by the military yesterday shifted ground. "The Palestinian opened the case and started to play the violin of his own volition. Several moments later, the Palestinian was asked by the liaison officer to stop playing," it said.


:crazy: :silly: :wtf:

[QueerJustice]

15. Maybe..a Violin that really plays....

Cannot be a bomb.....

Guess he couldnt have been carrying a bomb he was not a kid or a teenager....The IDF shoulda known that......