Abbas, Barghouthi Running Even in Palestinian Poll

[drdon326]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20041206/wl_nm/mideast_dc

Former Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and jailed grassroots leader Marwan Barghouthi are neck-and-neck in the Palestinian presidential election race to replace Yasser Arafat (news - web sites), an opinion poll showed Monday.

The poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research forecast that Abbas, widely seen by the international community as a potential peacemaker, would get 40 percent of the vote in the Jan. 9 ballot against 38 percent for Barghouthi.

The survey of 1,320 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza had a margin of error of three percent.

A victory by Barghouthi, a leader of the Palestinian uprising, would pose problems for reviving peace talks. He is serving five life terms in an Israeli jail after being convicted of ordering attacks that killed Israelis, charges he denied.

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Clearly a tough choice...on one hand, a holocaust denier..
on the other hand an israeli murderer.

[On the Road]

1. I'm Actually Surprised It's Close

I assumed the candidate supported by Hamas would beat Abbas easily.

[Scurrilous]

2. Or...

...as the webmaster at the ye olde hallowed portal stated when he posted this exact same article:

"Holocaust denier running neck and neck with convicted mass murderer in Palestinian polls!"

Can you be less original?

[Forkboy]

3. Talking points...just like Fox

But allowed because he pretends he likes Clinton :shrug:

[drdon326]

4. "pretends he likes Clinton "???

As a matter of fact, I like him a whole damn lot.


One wonders if he didnt get that stupid BJ , how many great things he could have accomplished.

Hey, i dont blame him for wanting a bj, just shouldnt have left any DNA around.

[number6]

12. even though he shook hands with Arafat ?

:shrug:

[Liberal Classic]

5. Good way to suggest...

Someone doesn't belong on this website without actually calling them a conservative outright.

[Djinn]

6. almost as good as

saying that you beleive AUstralians are all racists because of what's been posted on this sight by AUstralians (there's only a few of us it wasn't too hard to work out the inference), or claiming that another posters pre-conditions for Palestinian non violence is gfor all jews to be pushed into the sea.

some people may have difficulty beleiving that people who admit to supporting Sharon and post regularly from virulently right wing sites (and agree with their premises) are liberal minded.

[drdon326]

7. WOW...What a diatribe....

claiming that another posters pre-conditions for Palestinian non violence is gfor all jews to be pushed into the sea.....

The EXACT question was...

"Who here actually believes that destroying Israel actually means pushing the Jews who live there off into the sea?"

I do ...and a whole lot of people do. So dont change the premise...no where was the word "pre-condition" mentioned.

A N D.....THE BEST

some people may have difficulty beleiving that people who admit to supporting Sharon and post regularly from virulently right wing sites (and agree with their premises) are liberal minded....

OH MY !!....You mean like posting from the WASHINGTON TIMES !!
And you didnt say one word about that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x81339

and you posted on that thread and didnt seem to mind...go figure....some people might that call shameless hypocrisy.

"YR" outrage seems a bit disingenuous.

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Bullshit!

Here I go breaking my own personal resolution, and I'm sure I'll regret wasting this two seconds, but don't try and deny what you said about me and djinn.

"17 million people as mostly redneck peckerheads."???


After reading some posts here, I find that hard to believe.

Yeah, a sarcastic hard to believe in the same way you make sarcastic comments about loving the French. But hey, if clumsy sarcasm's allowed, I can try and lower the level of my skills with sarcasm and get away with saying a hell of a lot and then deny it later...

Violet...

[Djinn]

10. no don that wasn't the thread referred to at all

as VC says - there was the AUstralia thread (btw the way we're devastated you wont be coming!) and then there was the one about pre-conditions for non violence - another poster asked what I beleived those pre-conditions were you made the crack about pushing jews into the sea - the inference was either obvious or your english needs some polishing. The post was deleted because presumably the mods found your inference offensive too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x81091#81547

I see a big difference between the Wash Times and virulently right wing and bigoted minor websites - I have always said that while papers like Wash Times and JPOst aren't on MY reading list I'd view them as atleast somewhat credible unlike one of your fav's worldnetdaily whose recent stories include:

How the ACLU is destroying America using your money
Any sassy children living in your home?: Acclaimed book presents biblical, practical tips on training your kids

and hawks books by Coulter, Hannity et al

BIG DIFFERENCE - not disengenous at all - if you think this trash and the even worse bile at jewishworlderview.com is in the same vein as the Wash Times or JPost then you must be reading different versions than me.

I've been consistent with what I view as credible sources - you on the other hand have "flip flopped" a little on this issue - you tell others to discuss the article not the source yet often just dispute the source yourself.

I also never claimed Ariel Sharon (a man Israel held responsible for Sabra and Chatilla and pronounced unfit for office) was doing a good job - again wanna link?

[Liberal Classic]

13. Interesting post

Accusing other members of the board of being conservative is against the board rules. Members are encouraged to notify the moderators of offending posts. Saying that someone dislikes former president Clinton may not be the same as calling someone out as a conservative, but given Clinton's popularity among conservatives it certainly is a leading statement. The suggestion that drdon doesn't belong here is clear, even if the post does not read "drdon, you are a conservative, go away."

Here is the interesting part:

almost as good as...claiming that another posters pre-conditions for Palestinian non violence is gfor all jews to be pushed into the sea.

Now, you can only be talking about a post I made a couple of weeks ago.

Here's the post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x81269#81332

Who here actually believes that destroying Israel actually means pushing the Jews who live there off into the sea? I doubt very much that it means that.

However, I would think it means that they're for a Palestinian right to return to the homes that were taken from them. The Jews would still be there. They would just have to share it with more Arabs (the way they did before the Zionist movement).

By Zionist definition, that would be "destroying Israel".

And here is my response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x81269#81400

When masked men shout 'death to Israel' I am fairly sure they mean it.

When those same men commit murder, I become certian they mean it.

The destruction of Israel as Zionist code for peace? Please forgive me, but I do not agree.

When murderous groups like Hamas talk about the destruction of Israel they mean exactly one thing: Judenfrei.

(my cite of Jackie's post removed for clarity)

Here are some questions for forum participants:

From this exchange, who on this board believes that I did in fact accuse Jackie97 of wanting to kill Jews?

Did I make the inference that Jackie97 believes all Jews should be pushed into the sea?

Is there anyone among us who feels that I have called Jackie97 out as a supporter of terrorism?

I don't think I said anything about Jackie97's character as a person or nature of her political beliefs.

I did disagree with her post, of course, even strongly so.

But in the topsy-turvey world of Israeli/Palestinian Affairs, it is okay to suggest that someone hates Clinton and does not deserve to be a member of the forum, but it is not okay to claim that terrorist groups like Hamas actually mean what they say.

[Djinn]

14. ego much

it wasn't your post I was referring to at all, I was referring to exactly what I said I was referring to - exchanges between myself and drdon - I don't know if I've even noticed you before - sorry.

BTW - the mods are pretty quick to delete here - have a problem with my post - then alert on it, I really don't need you selectively pointing out rules, any time you wanna lecture certain other posters here for their lionising of SHaron, their defence of the murder of children, their posting from rabidly racist right wing sources, their accusations of anti-semtism...... I wont hold my breath :eyes:

[Forkboy]

15. Thanks...I liked it too

:hi:

[Violet_Crumble]

9. kicklette...

[number6]

11. Proof ?

"Clearly a tough choice...on one hand, a holocaust denier..
on the other hand an Israeli murderer."