Iranian TV shows its blind hatred for Israel

[drdon326]

Though the new Iranian TV program Zahra's Blue Eyes does feature plenty of gory operations and heart-wrenching moments, it's no ER.

Also titled For You, Palestine, the dramatic series "reveals" how Israeli doctors are harvesting organs from Palestinian children and focuses on the campaign of fictional prime-ministerial candidate Yitzhak Cohen, who is particularly interested in seizing young Zahra's arresting eyes.

To this end, Israelis pose as United Nations employees who come to a Palestinian school and check children in order to "prevent the spreading of an eye disease" but really want to inspect the class for students with the best eyes. In the end, Zahra is left blind by the Israeli doctors.

Along the way, the text manages to incorporate a speech by Cohen declaring: "We are the best of the races in the world. Our land should extend from the Euphrates to the Nile." In another scene, an adult explains to the children that the land they see from their school bus is "the land of Palestine, our land... but the Zionists took it by force."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1103776324295

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Leni Riefenstahl couldnt have done it any better.

Hey....cant wait for them to get a few NUKES.

FYI

[neweurope]

1. I'm reserving judgment. Google came up only

with five hits - all of them exactly the same phrasing, all of them Anti-Palestine.

If it should be true I find it horrible; all propaganda is horrible. But US-supported Israel IS very much hated and for a reason in my opinion.

As to "Can't wait for them to get a few nukes" - I find this childish at best. But really I find it shocking. Nuclear warfare is so terrible - for all forms of life - that it should never even be considered.

[Wright Patman]

2. Firing depleted uranium shells

is a low-level form of nuclear warfare.

The fact of the matter is that, when nuclear weapons were invented and produced, human nature being what it is, the clock began ticking down toward the inevitable self-inflicted demise of human civilization.

[neweurope]

3. Yes, you are right on both points.

I know that there is very high radiation all over Iraq and that mainly children are poisoned by it.

And I share your anticipation as to the inevitable demise of human civilization. And, well, that alone would not be SO bad maybe - just another species gone - but we will take so many other with us.

:cry:

[pelsar]

4. newseurope.....

i saw part of the show on TV a couple of days ago (its being shown in palestine)

and there is no BUT.....no excuses for it. Demonization of a whole people simple has no excuse, and adding your BUT simply implies that "they deserve it"

Egypt recreats the protocols of zion for a series during the ramadon
Saudi Arabia teaches that jews drink blood for passover
etc

BTW since the program was created in iran, what horrible thing did israel to to them, that they dont do to their own?

[drdon326]

5. Iran is THE most despicable gov't on the face of the earth....

and just when you think they cant get lower down the evolutionary

scale....they do.

[catbert836]

6. What about the government of the United States?

Seems to me like Bush is a lot worse.

[QueerJustice]

21. Oh yes...The USA is much worse than Iran....

....anyone ever queustion your credibility?

The USA is much worse than Iran?????


:dunce:


ALLRIGHTY THEN......

[number6]

10. you have a despicable scale

measured every country (gov't on the face of the earth) huh

[neweurope]

12. You see me convinced :)

No, I don't feel "they deserve it", honestly. I don't think anybody does, propaganda is always terrible. I also feel that the whole region is revving up for more hate and even war which makes me afraid.

[QueerJustice]

22. Afraid?

They scare easy in Europe....whats Arnold say about Gir...Me...?

[QueerJustice]

20. Thats a good question....

Why exactly is Iran at war with Israel...what did transpire?

[QueerJustice]

19. Of course its not true...

The source is The Jerusalem Post...


....not Pravda....

[newyorican]

7. Isn't this fiction?

:shrug:

Some peoples panties get in a twist over anything it seems...

[The Magistrate]

8. That Is Beneath You, Sir

The "Protocols" are fiction; the "Turner Diaries" are fiction: it does not lessen the fact that they are deliberate incitements to hate, and taken as embodying a "higher truth" in their fiction by those who produce them, and those who are moved by their fabrication to more solid adherence to the hate they already feel....

[newyorican]

9. I did not...

read the Turner Diaries, or the Protocols, nor will I watch or read this work of fiction for exactly the reasons you lay out (besides, it's not available in English or Spanish). It is intended to mislead and misdirect, knowing this ahead of observing it first-hand, I follow the marketplace rules. I don't get all twisted over it, I simply don't watch/read.

Unlike the Protocols, this is presented as fiction. If one looks hard enough, examples of this kind of "art" can be found in every culture, even those claiming "enlightenment".

Many works of "art" depict other cultures in a sub-human light. It's fiction, if you don't like it, don't watch. Even for those that watch it, it's fiction.

I saw Rambo movies (yuck!) and I did not leave the theater wanting to kill Cops(Rambo 1), or Central Americans(Rambo 2) or Arabs(rambo 3). I have watched Chuck Norris movies (double-yuck!) and I did not leave the theater wanting to kill Asians. You know why? Because it was fiction. A story. Nothing more.

To kvetch and pull ones hair out over this is just free publicity, IMO.

[The Magistrate]

11. Fair Enough, Sir

And please accept my apology for my harshness; the coffee is only just now beginning to take effect.

It is unfortunate, however, that this exercise in fatuous hate and bigotry will likely move a good portion of its intended audience to an increased hatred. That is certainly its intent, and like any other form of marketing persuasion, these things are done repeatedly precisely because to do them repeatedly works as a means of moving many minds. Not everyone watches such entertainments with a studied critical distance.

[newyorican]

13. All's well..

I speak only for myself in this. The more a thing is intended to get a rise out of me, the more likely it is to roll of off my back like so much water.

In younger days, my reaction would probably be rather hot-headed. These days, I think of blood pressure first, all else is secondary.

[drdon326]

14. Now its a "work of art" ??

Putting lipstick on this pig makes it no better.

Many works of "art" depict other cultures in a sub-human light. It's fiction, if you don't like it, don't watch. Even for those that watch it, it's fiction..

What a load of unadultered bullshit. Suddenly youre a 1st amendment advocate....


LET me help you with your pathetic moral compass,its RACISM...

PURE AND SIMPLE.

[newyorican]

15. I don't think my "moral compass"..

is neither the topic, nor something you are qualified to comment on intelligently (as you have adequately demonstrated).

Any hows, the word art is in quotes as can be plainly seen. It should signal some reservation in the use of the word to describe the topic matter to anyone with some reading comprehension.

As to the "1st Amendment", I have no idea what has you wound so tight. I don't know what the 1st Amendment to the Iranian Constitution is, or if they even have one (Amendment, that is).

"Physician, Heal Thyself"

[Name removed]

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[newyorican]

17. Wow...

Someone needs to up the dosage.

It would appear the only question (an incoherent one, at that) was directed at the moderators.

The rest of the "post" is not much more than froth-flecked ranting. I hope you are not still feeling the sting from your "Teaching Hatred" thread fiasco last night. It's bad form to carry a grudge.

Best Regards and Happy Holidays

[drdon326]

18. Best Regards and Happy Holidays to you Newyorican.

btw...It will be a happy holiday when racists like those pieces of shit who produce this vile filthy crap will disappear from the earth.


:)

[The Magistrate]

24. On The Larger Elements Of This Question, My Dear Doctor

You are quite right, and Mr. Newyorican quite wrong. This thing is racist swill of the lowest order, and were a production in which Black doctors or Muslim doctors and American patients were substituted were to appear, it would be greeted with horrified disdain, and any attempting to defend it dealt with harshly. It hard to see how it could trouble even the most ardent advocate for Arab Palestine to denounce this thing forthrightly for what it is.

It is also difficult for me to see why advocates for Arab Palestine here seem often so reluctant to recognize and denounce the various instances of state-sponsored incitements to Anti-Semitism that are a not infrequent feature of such media in the Middle East. Where a private enterprise is concerned, it is always possible to make a respectable argument that what is occuring is not an attempt to shape a popular view but rather an attempt to cater to it, in hope of profit to the share-holders. But where a state-sponsored organ does a thing like this, it is impossible to deny the government in question is attempting to shape and inculcate a feeling in its populace, and doing so for some particular desired end. It is legitimate to deduce from state provided entertainments what that state wishes its people to feel, and this production, and others of similar character, certainly count as evidence the states which provide them wish their people to feel an unreasoning hate for, and distrust of, Jews and Israael. It is impossible to argue that such a desire by a government in the region is not a problem, and impossible to argue that it is an act of any legitimate policy for a state to do this.

[drdon326]

25. Thank You.

Sadly my post was removed before you read it...because it essentially said the same thing only not nearly as eloquent as you did.

Equally sad is the fact that the rise of anti-semitism,esp. in state sponsored media, SHOULD be condemned. The fact, as you point out, is when states sponsor these acts it is for one reason- to rise the level of hate to jews and israel and of course to divert their populace away from their own failings. This is especially true with Iran - one of the most reactionary theocracies in the world.

This is not art.IT IS RACISM.It is that dark ugly human trait that seems to never die the death it deserves.

[The Magistrate]

26. My Pleasure, Doctor

Your zeal in this matter may occassionaly lead you into intemperance, but you have got a hold of an important element of this whole difficulty, that ought to be aired.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. I know what that important element is!

We must denounce anti-Semitism with all our hearts and souls. We must not be so busy doing it that we can't find time to express our feelings of bigotry against the French and to a lesser extent, Australians. Bigotry against Muslims and Arabs? Nah, that doesn't matter, because after all, we've been informed that only a 'few' indulge in that...

Strangely enough, I was of the belief that ALL bigotry is repulsive, and people who screech bigotry only when it's aimed at one particular group, while indulging in their own feelings of bigotry against other groups, leave me feeling nauseated. And people who are only concerned with one form of bigotry haven't at all got a hold of an important element of this whole difficulty - they're not even close...

'Occassionaly'?? Ohmygoodness, I'm gobsmacked, sir. I take it that you must only read this forum 'occassionaly' then...

Violet...

[The Magistrate]

33. My View Of The Important Element In Question, Ma'am

Is that the state-sponsored Anti-Semitisms not uncommon in the Middle East are a real problem, and not because they are a particularly hateful or unique form of bigotry different from all others in their character, but because they make a contribution to a poisoned atmosphere in a difficult situation, that could be well done without. Such things, for example, are one of the leading reasons ordinary Israelis fear they cannot possibly trust their neighbors to reach and abide by any peace agreement.

Were Israeli state organs presenting to that country's people such canards as the use of Jewish blood in breaking the Ramadan fast, or an entertainment pretending that a Arab doctors systematically extracted healthy organs for sale from Jewish or Christian patients they treated, say in a hospital in the U.S., you would probably find Dr. Don, even, denouncing the thing.

As for the rest, understatement is my stock in trade, and the superiority of honey to vinegar my leading principle....

[drdon326]

35. Oh....its FAR worse that that ,Magistrate

This state sponsored anti-semitism is much worse than poisoning an already difficult situation....it is a way to perpetuate their hate to future generations laying the ground-work to continue the violence and aggression. Its really quite diabolical in that its self-perpetuating and each generation will plant the seeds for future wars.


Notice how "The Elders of Zion" TO THIS DAY is still portrayed as reality only this time it has the added advantage of being on (Egyptian) TV.

Think you've seen the last of this Iranian series showing Jewish doctors stealing the eyes of young girls??....HARDLY. Wait a few years ......just like the Elders of ZION it will be replayed and replayed to each gemeration.

Why do you think PA textbooks and media repetitively de-humanizes jews as "pigs and monkeys" rather than talk of peace-its not an accident. The next generation will no doubt pick up the mantle...and to a certain extent already has -sending 13 year olds as suicide bombers.

And that stealing of childrens lives to be part of this perpetuating hate is rarely talked about. Unconscionable.


This has made the nazi propaganda machine look like a 3rd class operation.

Frightening

[Violet_Crumble]

37. I won't hold my breath waiting for any documentation to back that claim up

There was a long thread further down the page setting the record straight on Palestinian textbooks where you had ample opportunity to provide some credible evidence that school textbooks call Jews "pigs and monkeys" if that sort of stuff actually existed, but it didn't emerge. Just a hint, but you should really knock off the Nazi comparisons, especially to their propaganda....

Violet...

[drdon326]

39. For furthur info.....

http://eufunding.org/Textbooks/Marcus.html

[Violet_Crumble]

36. A few examples of what we've been told is state-sanctioned anti-Semitism..

and all from the same person you praise for grabbing a hold of the important element in question:

* To claim that Israel has tortured Palestinian prisoners is anti-Semitism...

* To want to reclaim the lands taken by Israel in 1967 is anti-Semitism...

* To show support for the Palestinian people and to speak out against what's being done to them is anti-Semitism...

Just curious, but doesn't this comment I made to pelsar in early December pretty much sum up what you consider to be the important element in question?

"Not only should you not have to hear anti-semitic crap, but like any other form of bigotry, it shouldn't exist at all. Of course that sort of stuff will always exist amongst the dregs of society, but when it seeps into the mainstream through members of a country's government and official statements by a government, that's when it rightfully scares those who the bigotry is aimed at. Tell me if I'm wrong on any of this, cause some of this is paraphrasing Walter Lacquer from his book 'the terrible secret', but hearing bigotry coming from official circles, whether they be the leader of a country, or some nasty twit who's a member of the government, not only are bringing back echos of words and actions in the past from countries that ignored or encouraged anti-Semitism, but it brings back echoes of the Holocaust, and the fears that because people didn't see the danger then until it was too late, and mistook it for another pogrom, that the stirrings of a new Holocaust may not be spotted again until it's too late. So the reaction to those very understandable fears was and is a tendency to jump at every shadow and be determined to get in first to make sure it doesn't happen again. That to me explains the reason behind Israel's habit of reacting in a heavy-handed way, though of course it doesn't make the heavy-handed reactions justifiable..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=81091#81622

On the reaction if a reverse situation were to happen in the Israeli media? Sorry, but I'm a realist and gave up my wishful thinking about a year ago, and based on what I've read over the past two years, I have absolutely no doubt that there'd be all sorts of excuses made for bigoted stuff from that quarter...

Violet...

[The Magistrate]

38. Your Comment To Mr. Pelsar, Ma'am

Does indeed put the matter well, and it is certainly no less than I wouold expect from you, since you are certainly a fair-minded and sincere person, to whom the concept of tolerance is a genuine conviction, and not a mere weapon of debate.

While there is not, properly speaking, state media in Israel, a reasonable analogy can be drawn to remarks of officials, and even the actions of officials, in the government of Israel: there have been some most reprehensible examples of bigotry displayed by various ultra-nationalists granted portfolio in the Likud cabinets. These are certainly offensive to me, and ought to be offensive to any advocate for and supporter of, Israel, and particularly so to any who decry bigotry displayed on the other side of the matter.

[pelsar]

27. I too dont understand why its not denounced....

When those who are so "pro palseteniain" per sea cannot denounce such a vile program as well as the govt who produces it, they are in fact admitting that peace is not their goal.

those interested in a peace between the palestenains and israelis naturally first recognize that both peoples deserve recognition, their concerns, their history, as such and demonization has no place here.

For those that cannot see that, and for whatever reason excuse govt sponsered demonization they are stating that one side is in fact less than human and does not deserve the minimum respect. (not buts, excuses are acceptable)

For me as an israeli and a jew, it doesnt take much for me to take a quick look at history to see where that leads to, be it WWII, the cossocks, jew quotoas in universities, the inquistion, blood libles etc.

and now we have this as an addition.....so in fact, nothing has really changed, except that this time we do have the weapons and those countries that produce that filth, and their supporters have to look over their shoulders now and then, because maybe, just maybe we'll show up.

and that really doesnt lend itself to producing a more peacefull middle east.

[newyorican]

28. Most odd....

Though in agreement with your statement from your post #8:

The Magistrate states:
The "Protocols" are fiction; the "Turner Diaries" are fiction: it does not lessen the fact that they are deliberate incitements to hate, and taken as embodying a "higher truth" in their fiction by those who produce them, and those who are moved by their fabrication to more solid adherence to the hate they already feel....

Newyoricans reply:
I did not read the Turner Diaries, or the Protocols, nor will I watch or read this work of fiction for exactly the reasons you lay out (besides, it's not available in English or Spanish). It is intended to mislead and misdirect, knowing this ahead of observing it first-hand, I follow the marketplace rules. I don't get all twisted over it, I simply don't watch/read.

I am "quite wrong". Hmmm...
Is there some specific set of words that must uttered in a particular order? It's not enough to agree that the work is, "deliberate incitements to hate"? Whom is the originator and possessor of this sacred script, without which denouncement is impossible? Inquiring minds want to know. (To the less thoughtful posters out there, that's three questions, answer them all or not at all if you're interested in dialog.)

[The Magistrate]

29. In The Larger Elements Of This Matter, Sir

There are several points where it seems to me you are quite wrong.

One is in passing off the thing, and the phenomenon it is but one facet of, as of little importance. It strikes me as a matter of some importance when state organs act deliberately to inculcate hatred of a particular group in the populace of that state, and particularly so when it is so gratuitous as in the case of Iran, which maintains a tremendous hostility towards Israel in the absence of any of the traditional causes for enmity between states, such as disputed borders or trade rivalries.

Another is in the raising of equivalencies, that are not really equivalent. To state that "if one looks hard enough" similar works can be found in other venues rather gives away the game. This is not something that has to be looked hard for, and it is being in the present given wide circulation by a state autority. This makes it different from something like, say, the antique film "Birth of a Nation", or the works of Celine or the letters of Pound. Such things must be hunted up; no one is likely to trip over them, and no state authority is seeking to give them a wide audience today.

Another is suggesting that because it is a work of fiction, it is unlikely to be taken seriously by any number of people who see it. The works of Tom Clancy are fiction, but a distressing number of people seem to take a world view from them, and feel they show what "really" happens, or "really" could and should happen, in conflicts between the U.S. and its enemies. It is quite certain that some persons who see this will believe it to reveal the "real" intentions of Israeli doctors who treat Arab Palestinians out of charity and a desire to foster friendship between the peoples. Remember that this "entertainment" does not occur in a vacuum; there are propagandas in wide circulation already in a similar vein, such as that such doctors infect their patients with AIDS, for example.

These things, Sir, are quite seperate from personal feelings, and from your own reactions to this thing. You recognize it as trash, you find it abhorent, and it is your view that it is best ignored in the hope it will die a market-place death, as you would ignore any domestic piece of trash. That we differ in our assessments of the effect it may have on its intended audience is no disparagement of you; we differ on many things, but that does not alter my feeling that you are a reasonable and decent fellow, and an honorable opponent in this matter, or my hope that you regard me in a similar manner.

[newyorican]

30. As you are prone to say...

Fair enough. As I stated previously, I can only speak for myself. I am thoroughly unqualified to speak for others in matters of opinion.

[drdon326]

31. .

:hurts:

[newyorican]

34. Interesting "commentary"

I believe you've been addressed in the last sentence in post #28.

[QueerJustice]

23. Free publicity?

Hopefully the vile scum that would enjoy this garbage does not read DU.