Israeli passport, Palestinian heart

[King Mongo]

Nassars Traum ist ein Spiel gegen Israel
http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/sport/sport/?cnt=617507

I'll translate a few important points from the article.

Nassar is an Israeli citizen with Palestinian ancestroy. He is the new soccer trainer for the Palestinian national soccer team.

Nassar says: "On the passport, I am an Israeli citizen. But, in my heart, I'm Palestinian".

With soccer, he wants to combine heart with logic. His job is not only for the Palestinian soccer team, but a national task.

4 years ago, it was forbidden for Palestinians to play soccer. Now, it's a miracle that Palestinians can participate in the world championship. For months, Israel prevented him from going to the West Bank or Gaza.

Because of the occupation, it's difficult to bring people together to practice.

His dream is to play against Israel.

[Carlos Martillo]

1. You wish he would play against

He is out to make a Palestinian team.

He will have several worthy foes (Morocco, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia) that he can only play against as an Arab team (even though Iranians, like Turks, aren't Arabs). They are strong in their faith and resolve, and they will work it out.

[pelsar]

2. a little bit more to the relationship

actually the relationship with the palestenians/arab world and israeli arabs are far more complex.

the short version is that israeli arabs look down upon the both the arab world and especially the palestenians in terms of the social strata. They see themselves as the arabs that stayed and are now protecting and preserving arab land within israel.

However, the arab world in turn looks upon the israeli arabs as a sort of "collaborator" with the zionist entity as they are now part of it. (the latest example being the Egyptian intl film festival banned israeli arab films/directors from showing)


however the idea of playing soccer against israel....is great, far better than shooting at each other-more power to him

(note: 4 years ago the PA was in complete control..so if they couldnt play soccer-it was the PAs responsability)

[Carlos Martillo]

3. "Arab Isreali" is like

"Irish Protestant"

Has no meaning at all, unless you understand "transplant" as well.
There is no hope for either of them; demographics are the writing on the wall.

[pelsar]

4. arab israeli....

perhaps you should ask the arab/israelis first before making such comments?

they seem to disagree

[ashiebr]

5. Perhaps you should stop making..............

......silly statements about what Arabs think before giving advice to others.

Generalisations are rarely helpful and often betray prejudice.

[pelsar]

7. sociology?

i guess the whole profession of sociology, modern archeology, and other professions that study cultures, groupthink etc have been deemed by you to be "biased" racist etc?

have you never in your conversations ever used general words to describe group actions..be they a football team not playing very well, a college that "you dont like"..etc.

the palestenians or arab/israelis, just those words denote a specific groups based on history and culture that seperates them from others...oh...and btw ever describe "israelis"?

[King Mongo]

11. generalizations

People often use generalizations. Yet most of the time, we attempt to make generalizations that match the opinions or activities of the majority involved. For instance, a believable generalization is that most Palestinians and Israelis want peace with a one or two-state solution.

Making generalizations about groups which only apply to only 5% of the population are quite silly, such as the belief that most Israeli Arabs are not Palestinians. Even if Israelis Arabs believe that they are not Palestinians, many are still very closely related to their Palestinian relatives.

In my opinion, most Palestinians believe that they are Palestinians because they are the kin of folks who lived in the area known as Palestine which is today called greater Israel. Political names does little in changing culture and ancestory.

[Carlos Martillo]

6. No they don't

"Arab-Israelis" are those that take their thirty pieces of silver; there is no such thing, and they are targeted for killing (because they sold out their tribe, whatever that means). Their threat is not from Jewish people, but from those that were betrayed...

[pelsar]

8. Carlos?????

no such thing as arab israelis?...guess I should tell the guy i buy fruit from that...btw what should i tell him that his "new identity" is?

and do you think he accept the idea that his present identity is wrong and some person in a far off land and a different (western) culture is now telling him what his "real culture" is (I believe England tried that many years ago-its called colonialism, and it seems you are now promotiing cultural colonialim..I'll pass on the new info tomorrow when I see him)

[ashiebr]

9. some person in a far off land is now telling him what his "culture" is?

Why not? You're telling him what his thought processes are.

[pelsar]

10. cultural colonialism perhaps

the professions of cultural anthropology, sociology....the substudies of groupthink, subcultures...these things mean anything to you guys?


as far as I understand from what you are saying, we cant talk in general about palesetenian, arab israels, football teams, americans, iraqis, terrorist, europeans, civilians, south africans, etc.


as you see the world, can we even use the "they" word to describe groups. (I betcha if i look through your posts, I' ll find it all over the place when it comes to the IDF or israel)

this is interesting.....so tell me, how is it possible to discuss world politics?

(as far as the guy i buy fruit from, of course i dont know what he thinks, but I can get an idea of his culture by living next him talking to him, sitting with him...and I may be off base here, but it probably gives me a better idea than someone 1,000s of kilometers away who has never even visited him, telling him what he should believe in....I guess its similar to when Golda Meir mentioned that that was no such thing as palesteniains...theres a lesson in that. Hint: you cant tell someone else what they're identity is.