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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:53 AM
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Today's Jewish anti-Semites
Our World: Today's Jewish anti-Semites

SINCE THE Holocaust, the rallying cry of Jews has been "Never Again!" But the enormity of the Holocaust must not blind us to its present-day mutation.

Today the vast majority of anti-Semites are not calling for Jews to be deported to death camps. They are calling for the destruction of the Jewish state and, as was the case in previous generations, they are seeking out and finding Jews like Karl Marx who share their hatred for the Jewish people and willingly advance their evil agenda. This agenda is to again reduce Jews to a state of powerlessness where we will be at the mercy of the same world that either participated in or did nothing in the face of the extermination of European Jewry.

Today this is done by striking out at the main safeguard against such powerlessness – the State of Israel – criminalizing it as the modern-day incarnation of Nazi Germany. The role of Jewish anti-Semites in this campaign is to decouple the dead Jews murdered by the Nazis from the live Jews who live in, or support, the Jewish state.

Such a Jew was found by the British conservative magazine The Spectator in one Anthony Lippman. Lippman is actually an Anglican, not a Jew, but as the child of Jewish Holocaust survivors, he will do.In a recent article, Lippman writes hypnotically about his mother's sufferings in Auschwitz only to explain that the job of Holocaust survivors and their children is to speak out against... Israel.

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The 60th anniversary of Auschwitz's liberation is a good time to call for a similar Jewish condemnation of hate-filled Jews and those that use them to advance their anti-Semitic agenda. These are not legitimate voices. These are not legitimate views. They are the views of deranged Jew-haters which, if listened to, will do nothing other than pave the way to the next calamity.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1106537800595

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Self-hating jews ? I find that hard to believe.

interesting.







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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 06:26 AM
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1. Many Israelis are speaking out against
the Sharon Government because they do not agree with policies that appear to be aimed at annihilating the Palestinians. In an article posted by Indiana Green, it was mentioned that the Israeli government is simply taking land owned by Palestinians without giving any compensation, in order to isolate Palestinians more.

I have no problem with Jews having a place where they know that they can live in security without fearing that their property will be seized and their lives threatened. But my objection to the current government is that they are unwilling to extend these same basic rights to non-Jews. And I fear that, until they do, there will be unrest in that part of the Middle East.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:27 AM
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2. Tony Judt and Omer Bartov.
Here is a reprint of Bartov's essay which was published in The New Republic: Did Hitlerism Die with Hitler?

Here is Tony Judt's piece, which serves a reply of sorts, written for The Nation: Goodbye to all that?

While Judt left a couple of Bartov's points unanswered, and presented a few questionable assertions as fact, his basic arguments are reasonable and decently supported. He offers some insights, and asks good questions. I don't entirely agree with the conclusions he draws, but they do merit serious consideration. Glick's characterization of him and this article in particular seem unfair.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:42 AM
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3. How does this make Lippman a self-hating Jew?
From the article: "In his words, survivors have "a terrible responsibility – to live well in the name of those who did not live and to discourage the building of walls and bulldozing of villages. Even more than this, they – and all Jews – need to be the voice of conscience that will prevent Israel from adopting the mantle of oppressor, and to reject the label 'anti-Semite' for those who speak out against Israel's policies in the occupied territories.""

Can you explain how anything in that makes someone a person who hates Jews? To me, his words are those that everyone should live by. What exactly is yr problem with what he said there?

Violet...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:42 AM
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4. Ahhhh, the smell of blacklisting in the morning is like victory! (nt)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:13 AM
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5. This piece is revolting
Ms. Glick can disagree with Mr. Lippman and Mr. Judt without impugning their Jewishness. They have both a right to observe Judaism in their own way and to interpret current affairs in a way that is consistent with belief system of each, which may not necessarily be consistent with Ms. Glick's. Moreover, as Ms. Glick points out, one of these "self-hating Jews" has converted to the Anglican Church. That, too, is his right. Ms. Glick does not have to like it, but for to make an issue of a personal matter of religious faith while disagreeing with issues of contemporary history borders on bigotry.

Ms. Glick is free to express her views, but she owes Mr. Lippman and Mr. Glick an apology.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:22 AM
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6. just more bullshit
Dare question Sharon makes you a self-hating Jew. How many times have I heard this lame ass idea? And it always comes from right wing nut jobs.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:41 AM
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7. Locking
Self-hating jews is an offensive term.

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