Did you miss something? I would say so.
Did I post a message that said, "Hey Folks! Check out this Awesome AUTHOR and all the great things he has written in the past...!" NO, I didn't.
I posted a NEW article, by a non-American Author, who has not been subjected to the jingoistic American Media, that wrote about the problem he was having with the WWII 60th Anniversary "celebrations".
Then you come along, see that this author has Quoted, (not himself written) a Canadian Parliament Member who, being from a country with a very small military and a different feeling about War and their country giving Military training to a heavily militarize countries, who says something that doesn't fit the MSM's and your "Israel is always right" line of thinking, you come along and start labeling this article "Anti-Semitic trash" and "Filth!" because of OTHER articles you've supposedly read by this author.
Did I claim that you said; ""Hey Folks! Check out this Awesome AUTHOR and all the great things he has written in the past...!"?" Nope. Don't see any declaration on my part stating you did anything of the such. But, I also didn't see any disclaimer saying I could not post my opinion about the article or the author. Did I
miss that?
I came along and actually READ the damn article. My charge of anti-Semitism wasn't because of the idiotic statement from the Canadian PM it was because of this:
The answer, of course, is that the Israel Lobby in government runs foreign policy,...<snip> When the U.S. empire is broken and Israel is consumed by Palestine we will be able to explain to future generations how the “good guys,” permitted the very depravity they waged war against.Please point to where you ascertained that I have an ""Israel is always right"" mentality ("line of thinking")! Could it be
this..."When 'people' like this muddy the waters, it makes it difficult for
legitimate criticism to occur because they cleverly hide their anti-Semitism." OR perhaps
this..."
Anti-Zionism, like criticism of Israel, is not always anti-Semitic." Is this how you arrived at I have an ""Israel is always right"" mentality ("line of thinking")?
And, as you can see, I labeled this piece anti-Semitic because of what is
IN the piece, as well as the own author's own pieces, which I obviously read, since I quoted at least one. But, I have others if you'd like.
Then you try to hijack the thread when blindpig responds that he/she doesn't see IN THIS ARTICLE what your talking about.
Now, let's see what you wrote in this post.
Point#1: "...I didn't "throw around" the terms anti-Semitic and anti-Jew..."
Let's see what you DID write when blindpig responded to you that he/she "Didn't see it," let's count up your inflammatory terms:
"(The author)...He sees Israeli Jews as Zionists, perhaps all Jews. So, anti-Zionist does equal anti-Jew (anti-Semitic), in this case. I believe that anyone who advocates the destruction of Israel is an anti-Semite..."
(2)(Z/a-Z) (J/a-J) (2) and your favorite term (anti-Semitic) (1) plus (2)= (3) so far, and that's just your first 2 sentences.
Then, after pointing to a different article, that I didn't post and was not asking for a discussion on, you wrote:
"...This is one of the problems I have tried to explain to others. What may seem like anti-Israeli, is in fact, anti-Semitic. When 'people' like this muddy the waters, it makes it difficult for legitimate criticism to occur because they cleverly hide their anti-Semitism..."
Thats 2 more (2+3=5) (A-S) (1)anti-Israeli and a Quote/unquote "People"like this.
Then, in your second, off topic reply to "blindpig," which I see as an attack on that persons valid opinion, you write:
"...I guess you don't get it...Anti-Zionism, like criticism of Israel, is not always anti-Semitic. However, I believe calling for the destruction of Israel, which he also calls the "Jewish Homeland," is anti-Semitic! If Palestine gets a contiguous nation, it will cut Israel in half, that won't happen. What part of "de-Zionized Palestine" is NOT anti-Semitic? Calling for the destruction of Israel IS anti-Semitic in nature.
So that (5+4=9) more (a/S) and another (a-Z) (2+1=3) So that makes 9 (a/s), 3 (a-z/Z) 2 (a-J/J) and 1 (a-I). Is that "throwing around?" I think so.
We obviously have a different idea of what "throwing around" a word(s) is(are). I see it as using words indiscriminately and with no real proof. "blindpig" said the piece was anti-Zionist, but couldn't see the anti-Semitism. So, in my response, I used the terms, "Jew," Zionist," and "anti-Semitism." So, how was I supposed to respond without using those words? Is this a big game of "Taboo?" And, as for your charge of "hijacking," I was unaware that posting one's own OPINION, then responding to the subsequent responses constitutes "hijacking." My response to him/her was NOT an attack on his/her valid opinion, it was an expression of exasperation that s/he didn't see what I was seeing. By your reasoning, his/her initial response to me was an attack on MY opinion! I certainly don't think that; but your rationale certainly could be seen to justify it. Incidentally, why was HIS/HER opinion
valid and mine was not?
Point #2 you say:
"...I didn't comment on ANYONE other than the AUTHOR...!"
Again, as I said above, this post was not about "The AUTHOR, it was about the posted article, which was about his feeling of uneasiness with the WWII 60th Anniversary "celebrations."
So, if you posted an article from Pat Robertson, who was against the war, or David Duke, you think people would ONLY comment on the piece? If you believe that, by all means, please post an anti-war piece by Pat Robertson in the GD forum and see how that turns out!
Point #3 you ask, "Also, point out one thing that I said that indicates what I think about "those people." Now I'm sure you'll disagree, but I think most would agree that the term "those people" and the term "...'people' like this..." means the same thing.
Then, to top it off, you go on to point out in a hypothetical situation, where this author posted in the I/P forum, this author would have been banned, but everything in the rules you just posted, you in fact, just violated.
AND, as you point out, your criticisms are aimed at some un-named person who has disagreed with you in the past.
If this isn't hight of hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Considering the author is Canadian and NOT an Arab or Muslim (to my knowledge), why did you JUMP to the CONCLUSION that my "'people'" comment was about anything other than anti-Semites? Of course, had I said that, it would have been one more use of the term for your "counting fest." I had been talking about anti-Semites and anti-Zionists, not
ONCE did I use "Arab" or "Muslim." So, perhaps a little projection was happening, and you
ASSUMED that "anti-Zionist" and "anti-Semite" was "code" for Arabs and Muslims?
The hypothetical situation would have had the poster banned. I would not have been banned unless he was a member of DU and I posted, to him, that he was an an anti-Semitic piece of filth. Since he is not a member, I can post that about him. Therefore, I violated NO rules of the DU.
The reason I don't call someone an anti-Semite, despite your thinking my "...criticisms are aimed at some un-named person who has disagreed with you in the past" is because to label someone an anti-Semite on DU is against the rules. It also goes to show your state of thought that just because someone disagrees with me in this area, I brand him/her an anti-Semite. This is not true, as shown in my aforementioned comments.
Hypocrisy? I see that all over. If you agree with the post, you are "A-OK," but if you dissent, your opinion is NOT valid. Hypocrisy? Being for the state of Israel's existence, while despising her policies, and being labeled "anti-Arab/Muslim," but being "anti-Israel" and allowed to use anti-Semitism as your reason. Hypocrisy? Agreeing that Palestinians should be allowed a state, but not at the expense of Israel, and being labeled an "anti-Arab/Muslim." Hypocrisy? Being able to praise articles by authors who advocate the destruction of Israel, but to dissent and be labeled as "anti-Arab/Muslim" and "un"liberal!
You haven't seen the "heights of hypocrisy" until you try to defend the existence of Israel to so-called progressive liberals!