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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:42 AM
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Poll: 25% of Jews against full rights for Arabs
Poll: 25% of Jews against full rights for Arabs
By JPOST.COM STAFF
22 Jun. 2005 16:41

According to a survey that is to be publicized Wednesday at the Jaffa conference for Jewish-Arab relations, twenty-five percent of the Jewish population in Israel believes that Arabs should not be granted full citizenship rights, while 70% avoid traveling to Arab towns and villages, Army Radio reported.

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Lori Price

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:45 AM
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1. maybe they should be put in camps?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:46 AM
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4. I would not make the same test in the States.
I am sure in some areas, we would get a lot more than 25%.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:47 AM
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5. That comment is reprehensible. You must apologize to Senate Republicans
NOW, Dick!
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:53 AM
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10. LOL!! Actually, I want Guantanamo to stay open - to house Bush, Cheney...
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 11:58 AM by Lori Price CLG
Rumsfeld, and Rove - when they await their trials for treason... w. all penalties for treason on the plate.

:)-Lori Price
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:53 AM
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9. How About Moving The Arabs To Liberia?
It really sounds more like the attitude many Americans had toward African Americans in the mid-nineteenth century.

Actually, in the mid-nineteenth century the numbers were probably reversed, with 75% being opposed to full citizenship rights and 25% (if that) supporting.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:45 AM
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2. So 75 % are not opposed to it
I find that very reassuring, and fairly equivalent to what the Arabs think:



Despite these statistics, conductors of the survey found that 70% of Arabs think that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state,
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:48 AM
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:51 AM
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8. One major difference in your example.
70% of Arabs think that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state,

The basis for arguing Israel shouldn't exist is that the land did not belong to them and was given to them by an outside power. Whether you agree or disagree (and I disagree), at least that's an argument with a hell of a lot more merit than whether a group of people deserve to be treated as second class citizens.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:46 AM
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3. Oh my. From the topic thread header, I thought those were American jews
I really don't care that much what foreigners think. I assume Americans have a smaller percentage holding such barbaric views.

Lordy, I hates them ferriners.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:48 AM
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6. Seems like an assbackward way to post that stat. n/t
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 11:48 AM by sadiesworld
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:55 AM
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11. BTW, this was in LBN, but was moved here (I've never posted in this...
forum before.)

Lori
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:32 PM
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12. Here is another link
It has more about the survey and its findings: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/589688.html
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al_solanki Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:00 PM
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14. It's all fine by me... but...
will the Jews that will live in Palestine (whenever it's created) accept loyalty to the Palestinian state? Or will they try to claim special status?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:10 PM
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15. Good questions.
I don't know if they would or not. Perhaps a similar survey would show the same thing in reverse.

How about these questions: Will Jews even be allowed to live in Palestine? Or will they be forced out?
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 01:38 PM
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13. Two comments:
1. Comment 1

Therefore 75% of Israeli Jews are for full rights for Arabs. Duh!

2. Comment 2

What about United States citizens living in the United States of America. I remember what the answer would have been for African-Americans until fairly recently. Even in Bluest Blue State California - I can guess what the euphemism "illegal immigrant" masks about ethnic attitudes in California among the "Anglos."

United States Constitution - Article I, Section 2

Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.



Who are the "other persons" - counted as "three fifths." Duh.

And what did the United States of America do to its Japanese-American citizens in WW2 - and that was FDR.

Even after a bloody Civil War, and Four Constitutional Amendments (XIII, XIV, XV, and XXIV), numerous Acts of Congress, numerous Supreme Court decisions, etc. -- do we all "just love each other" in the US? I would guess that fewer then 75% of white Americans really like and really support Latinos and African-Americans.

If you live in a glass house...

If you are without sin ...
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:46 PM
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17. Is that an excuse? n/t
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:26 PM
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18. It is NOT an excuse.
I am a Proud LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE - and what it means is
WE HAVE TO IMPROVE
OUR BEST STILL ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH
BOTH ISRAEL AND
THE UNITED STATES


So - let's not get round shouldered pattin' ourselves on the back here in the USA.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:14 PM
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21. What you said.
:toast:
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:33 AM
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22. Here's the link that didn't work yesterday:
This time, I simply copied it from the original (snipped) version posted in I/P a few days ago.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1118888333134

Dialogue of the Deaf
by Judea Pearl

The age of terror, it seems, has sprouted an era of dialogue. A host of conferences meant to bring together East and West have been cropping up. There was World Economic Forum's recent Middle East regional summit in Jordan. A few weeks before the star-studded Mideast "Davos" conference, I had the opportunity to attend the similarly high level US-Islamic World Forum, held in Doha, Qatar.

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As a person sensitive to this issue, I was deeply impressed by the civility with which the issue was discussed...I was curious to find out what the participants had in mind when they pressed for "progress" on the Palestine issue: progress toward what?

Deep in my heart, I had hoped to find the Doha participants more accommodating of the so-called "two-state solution" and the road map leading to it. If this were not the case, I thought, then we were in big trouble again. Muslims might be nourishing a utopian dream that the US cannot deliver and, sooner or later, the whole dialogue process, and all the goodwill and reforms that depend on it, would blow up in the same conflagration that consumed the Oslo process.

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The author reports his disappointment at finding no accomodation for idea of Israel's existence, even in the context of this civil and intellectual meeting:

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This was somewhat disappointing to me, given the official Palestinian Authority endorsement of the road map. "Road map to what?" I thought, "to a Middle East without Israel?"...I discussed my disappointment with an Egyptian scholar renowned as a champion of liberalism in the Arab context. His answer was even more blunt: "The Jews should build themselves a Vatican," he said, "a spiritual center somewhere near Jerusalem. But there is no place for a Jewish state in Palestine, not even a national-Jewish state. The Jews were driven out 2,000 years ago, and that should be final, similar to the expulsion of the Moors from Spain 500 years ago."

The problem with Muslim elites could be seen again, even at the University of California at Irvine, where the Muslim Student Union organized a meeting entitled "A World Without Israel" - cut and dry. Also in May came a colorful radio confession by the editor of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Arabi Abd al-Halim Qandil: "Those who signed the Camp David agreement ... can simply piss on it and drink their own urine, because the Egyptian people will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli entity."

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One side dreams of a world without Israel, the other sees Israel as a major player in the democratization and economic development of the region. Will this clash of expectations burst into another round of bloodshed? My heart goes out to all the Europeans and Americans who believe they have found a spark of flexibility on Israel's legitimacy in the progressive Muslim camp. But looking ahead at the plentiful attempts to build bridges to the Muslim world, one wonders whether this outpouring of goodwill should not first be harnessed toward hammering out basic common goals and educational campaigns to promote them, rather than glossing over oceans of fundamental disagreement. Failure to address uncomfortable differences has a terrible way of extracting higher costs later on.

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The writer, Judea Pearl, is president of the Daniel Pearl Foundation, an organization that promotes cross-cultural understanding named after his son, a Wall Street Journal reporter murdered by terrorists in Pakistan in 2002.

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Note, this is a long article and I've altered things here and there to accomodate DU copyright regulations.

It's cross posted with discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x93832


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