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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:07 PM
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Confronting Israeli Myth-Making
Propagandists on behalf of Israel have held a corner on public discourse about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict for the nearly six decades of Israel’s existence, but these purveyors of the Israeli line have become increasingly deceptive and malign -- and increasingly effective – with time. The propaganda machine serving Israel disseminates a steady stream of talking points and argumentation that today effectively controls all public discourse, so that in media arenas large and small throughout the country there are always grassroots propagandists available to put out a uniformly favorable twist on Israel’s actions and always to paint the Palestinians in black colors.

The propaganda machine has not missed even the small, out-of-the-way town of Santa Fe, NM. Although not usually at the forefront of nationally significant political debates, Santa Fe is currently in the midst of a controversy about an issue of large national relevance. The controversy involves media treatment of Israel and the Palestinians that is typical of the distortion found throughout the country.

On June 9, 2005, John Greenspan, chairman of the board of directors of KSFR-FM, a Santa Fe public radio station, substituted for Mary-Charlotte Domandi, the vacationing host of a weekday morning program known as “The Radio Café,” and had among his guests a spokesperson for a pro-Israel propaganda organization, The Israel Project, based in Washington, D.C. Both Greenspan and the guest, Megan Wachter, spent this 15-minute segment broadcasting what we and many honest, objective observers regard as serious pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian distortions and, in at least one instance, an outright lie about an American human rights activist. Greenspan and Wachter made one false allegation after another, reaching ever increasing levels of distortion as the broadcast went on. We are appalled at the level of misrepresentation in this brief exchange and are particularly dismayed that these two propagandists did not merely stop at attempting to put Israel in a good light, but seemed to bend over backwards to cast the Palestinians and anyone who supports them in a particularly negative light, as all but universally hate-filled, uneducated, unenlightened terrorists.

read more at CounterPunch
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:17 PM
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1. CounterPunch RRREEEKKKSSS!!!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:26 PM
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3. And don't forget freaks like Judy Andreas on Jeff Rense's filthy site.
Like me, she's untutored and assimilated. For some reason she uses that as an excuse to be a turncoat.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:30 PM
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4. Judy is a real prize......
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 08:31 PM by drdon326
i'm surprised she isnt posted here more.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:20 AM
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5. Thanks newyorican-- nice material
regardless.

Dr. Nathan Brown has also done a great study via Fulbright on the myth of the textbooks.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:31 PM
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6. Myth-busting
CounterPunch has so many anti-Semitic "hit-pieces" that it really has become hostile to Jews. However, I will address just a few things in the article, lest I be accused of "missing the point."


In Wachter’s enthusiasm for Israel, she failed ever to mention that in the occupied West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, which Israel has controlled for 38 years, more than three million Palestinians enjoy no democracy at all under Israel’s rule. (from the posted article)


As Occupied Territories, Israel does not have to extend ‘rights’ to these areas. Much the same way the US does not apply labor laws in the Marianas Islands.

Inside Israel, where over one million Palestinian Muslims and Christians are citizens of Israel, they live in a distinctly second-class status because they are not Jews. Because Israel was established as a specifically Jewish state and explicitly defines itself as a state not of its citizens but of Jews everywhere, it gives benefits to Jews that Muslims and Christians do not enjoy. (from the posted article)



What a broad, offensive statement to make without any proof, other than conjecture.


Although they can vote, Muslim and Christian Palestinians in Israel are subject to various types of institutional discrimination. Because 97 percent of Israel’s land is held “in trust for the Jewish people,” non-Jews cannot even purchase land in Israel. (from the posted article)



Oh dear! Here is a whopping lie! Is this supposed to be “proof” of the aforementioned charge that only Jews have rights in Israel? I hope not, because I am about to blast this apart. See, the same things the authors are claiming about the speakers propagandizing for Israel, they are doing in reverse and doing so with lies, half-truths, and deception.

Let’s see…”Private lands. There are no restrictions on the purchase of private land in Israel. Israeli Arabs or non-citizens, including Arab foreigners, may freely purchase it. The Israeli authorities have placed no obstacles in the way of such purchases,…” and “In fact, state land amounts not to 91 percent of Israel's territory but to roughly 80 percent; neither Arabs nor Jews can buy state land; the Jewish National Fund holds no state land; and JNF land is leased, with some restrictions, to Israeli Arabs.” Of course, the “distinguished” authors could compare Israel land policies to the PA and Jordan, where if an Arab sells land to a non-Arab, he (the Arab) is sentenced to death. Although, the Jordanians have repealed that law in some ways, it is still not permissible to sell land to Israelis without high level government permission. (from:Can Arabs Buy Land in Israel?)


The bible on the status of Palestinians in Israel was written by a Jewish-American scholar, Ian Lustick, in a 1980 book entitled Arabs in the Jewish State: Israel’s Control of a National Minority. Just as Fox News’ self-description as “fair and balanced” does not make it either fair or balanced, Wachter’s enthusiasm about Israel’s democracy does not make it a democracy for non-Jews.(from the posted article)



Well, well…we agree on something! Just like Fox News’ calling itself “fair and balanced” does not make it so, distorting facts without merit to prove something patently false, doesn’t make it so.


Wachter said the project longs for the day when two states will live side-by-side in an atmosphere where Israeli children aren’t afraid to go to pizza parlors with their friends and “where Palestinian children are taught to grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and not to glorify suicide bombers.”

This is a sly reference to a distortion that has gained wide acceptance throughout Israel and throughout the Israel-supporting public in the U.S. Frequent reports over the last several years of what is most often called “incitement” in Palestinian school textbooks...(from the posted article)



Was it a “sly reference” to the Palestinian schoolbooks or was it a reference to imans stating it is good to die and take Israelis/Jews with you? Perhaps it was a ‘sly reference’ to TV programs where children are showing playing their favorite game “Kill the Israeli?” We will never know, because Wachter just stated what she wanted, yet the ‘good’ authors decided to “spin” it to their views, not unlike Fox News, or even of what they are accusing Wachter.

This "article" is fraught with inaccuracies and its own propaganda. To continue to dissect it would be a graduate thesis.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:12 PM
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7. Much like the myth-busting of the CMIP
and their continuous lies

It gets hard when the facts disprove their lies..

folks just can't accept it.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:28 PM
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8. Lots of lies are to be busted
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 01:28 PM by Behind the Aegis
Interestingly enough, others have found CMIP to be accurate, others find it biased. But, I see lies from both sides, and some folks just can't accept that.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 02:57 PM
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9. Repeating falsehoods
as CMIP has done does not make it true
Trying to state bias when in fact they are spreading lies-- is not conducive to effective discourse
Trying to state that both sides do it, again, attempts to change the argument from the fact the CMIP is responsible for spreading lies.

But, hey, whatever gets folks through their days.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:16 PM
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10. Much like the lies in the orginal article
"Trying to state bias when in fact they are spreading lies-- is not conducive to effective discourse" But, what ever floats your boat.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:24 PM
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11. Yawn
Sorry.. nodded off there.

It get quite repetitious and predictable.

Step 1) Person 1 brings up CMIP lies
Step 2) Person 2 ignores and brings up other issues
Step 3) Person 1 brings up CMIP lies again
Step 4) Person 2 ignores and brings up other issues
Lather rinse repeat

In other words...same ole same ole in the ole I/P forum.

Enjoy.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:10 PM
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12. Yawn, indeed.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 05:40 PM by Behind the Aegis
Color me shocked.

Step 1) Person #1 discusses inaccuracies of article
Step 2) Person #2 inserts unrelated subject, in order to avoid discussing inaccuracies (ignores and brings up other issues)
Step 3) Person #1 points out disagreements about CMIP
Step 4) Person #2 exhibits denial over disputed issues, while still avoiding the inaccuracies in the original article (ignores and sticks to non-issue)

Meanwhile, person #2 still has yet to discuss the inaccuracies in the original article. Also, person #2 inaccurately says person #1 brought up CMIP "lies," which, had person #2 read the article, he would have seen the AUTHORS brought up CMIP. Person #1 called them on their use of that group to detract from what the radio show guest ACTUALLY said.

It is the same ole, same ole...misconceptions/lies are wrong...unless levied against Israel.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:06 PM
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13. Yeah, but...
Just a quick one here. You've announced yr opinion that particular points in the article are either lies or inaccuracies. To 'prove' that there's no discrimination against Israeli Arabs when it comes to land ownership you provide a link to something from a site who's catchphrase is 'Promoting American Interests' and the author of which is a research director of CAMERA. What is it about this particular article that proves there's no discrimination against Israeli Arabs when it comes to land ownership?

Also, as you claim that Counterpunch is 'hostile' to Jews, wouldn't you also have a problem with a site that is 'hostile' to Arabs?

Violet...
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:21 PM
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14. We...
I did prove that the original authors distorted and inaccurately described the land ownership in Israel. The link I provided has sourced material from the New York Times and other non-Israeli propaganda sources. The authors of the original piece repeat the same thing that is discredited in the piece I link, and that discredit links back to the New York Times. So, I take that over the 'facts' of these two authors.

Also, why does it matter that it says, "Promoting American Interests" in the title? Why does this eliminate it as a source? I have seen hundreds of links in this forum that "promote Palestinian interests." How is this different? Also, the piece I linked was not laced with inaccuracies and falsehoods. If it is, I didn't see them.

I had no idea what CAMERA was. So, I looked it up. It seems, from my very brief look at the site, that their mission is to correct inaccurate and nonfactual reports about Israel. They don't seem to write pieces about the Palestinians, themselves. The primary focus is to make sure factual information about Israel is being disseminated, not lies and innuendo, much like the piece in the OP.

From their site:

Founded in 1982, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America is a media-monitoring, research and membership organization devoted to promoting accurate and balanced coverage of Israel and the Middle East. CAMERA fosters rigorous reporting, while educating news consumers about Middle East issues and the role of the media. Because public opinion ultimately shapes public policy, distorted news coverage that misleads the public can be detrimental to sound policymaking. A non-partisan organization, CAMERA takes no position with regard to American or Israeli political issues or with regard to ultimate solutions to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The scope of the problem

Inaccurate and distorted accounts of events in Israel and the Middle East are to be found everywhere from college radio stations to network television, from community newspapers to national magazines, and, of course, on the Internet. In recent years misinformation about the Middle East has also surfaced in fashion magazines, architectural publications, encyclopedias, professional reference works, geography textbooks, travel guides, and even dictionaries. Frequently inaccurate and skewed characterizations of Israel and of events in the Middle East may fuel anti-Israel and anti-Jewish prejudice.


I don't see "correcting inaccurate and nonfactual reports about Israel" as "hostile" to Arabs. But, spreading lies and innuendos that are patently false, that is hostile! CouterPunch has quite a few hostile pieces toward Israel. I can almost accept that, but what I will not accept is the hostility in a number of their pieces that are aimed at Jews! It is not hostile to Jews to report about Arabs, or even place them (Arabs) in a 'positive light.' It is hostile to paint Jews as "bloodthirsty" or a variety of other choice words. I invite you to look at their archives. Ignore the anti-Israeli ones, some are anti-Semitic, but a few are simply anti-Israeli. Go to their page and in the search function, type "Jew" and read what comes up! You may very well come away with a different opinion about that site!
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:47 PM
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15. Locking
Upon re-reading there are indeed many inflammatory statements which are made without any substantive backing material.

Lithos
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