a little leeway here....

[pelsar]

many times we find here links to sites that talk about how zionists control the world etc....and the very deservedly get lambasted....well i came across a jewish version of the conspiracy sites and i found it rather amusing. Like all conspiracy sites, they take a few facts and simply make up the rest.....so why am i posting it here?....just for amusement, you see we got some on the "outer rim" as well.....

now just to make it clear in case some of you are confused: this site is not to be linked to in terms of validating anyting other than proof that anybody can make a website.....

http://www.barrychamish.com/

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

1. LOL

Like all conspiracy sites, they take a few facts and simply make up the rest.....

You've actually fallen for the Repug propaganda. They've pulled off the two biggest conspiracies in world history and then loaded the internet to with BS conspriacies sites to get the ridicule factor into the general publics mind so nobody will believe in any conspiracies. Leaves the door wide open for them to pull off crap like they did on 9/11. Granted MOST conspiracy theories are BS but there are three that only an idiot would say," there's nothing to it" after looking at all the evidence. Wanna guess which ones those are? By the way history is full of conspiracies....so why is it so hard for you to believe they have and will continue to take place?

[pelsar]

2. no its not "repug propaganda....

the guy is religious oriented......i have no doubt that they will continue to be as it seems to fill a psycho need for people to live in a "different world"....this one I found rather amusing since its one type i never heard of before..

[Coastie for Truth]

6. The only conspiracy theory I beleve is

the one "suneel112" posits at in numbered paragraph 4, and alluded to in numbered paragraph 5 of the linked append.

This is all a matter of Public Record in the US District Court in Detroit, the International Trade Commission, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the United States Patent and Trademark Office, see, e.g., , especially the penultimate paragraph in the story<1>. You need a roadmap of "who owns who" in the green car world to really follow where Suneel112 is going.

Looking at Suneel112's post - and drawing together what is in the official public records the same way the California Air Resources Board did...... He's just more judgemental. (Probably correctly so).

That's the only conspiracy theory I have seen on DU that I think has some validity.

The conspiracy "theory" of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, reported in, e.g., F. William Engdahl, A Century Of War : Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order is neither a "theory" nor a "conspiracy" - it is normal diplomatic statecraft - thoroughly researched to hell by hundreds of PhD candidates and "publish or perish" academicians.

Here's a review by Craig Stern-->

"I first ran across this book referenced in a footnote about three years ago and tried to track it down. First I tried to purchase it, but found that it was out of print and used copies were going for $100.00+ on the internet. I found this curious since it was relatively recent (1993) and, given its topic, was certainly of tremendous interest to US readers, even before the events of 9/11 and the subsequent Gulf War II. I was fortunate to find it in my university library and have since read it several times.

I am tempted to go 'on and on' about this book, especially since it is not easily available for people to read. Nor does anyone seem to feel that they can (or are able to?) republish what should be a 'best seller' in the current geopolitical climate and circumstances. Engdahl, whose personal background includes engineering and law (Princeton), working in Texas oil industry, and international economics (University of Stockholm), does a penetrating and eloquent job of sorting out the complex web that connects the controlling interests of international politics with the goals and objectives of global oil and financial interests, these having merged in the last century into the powerful and dominant hegemony of an Anglo-American consortium.

There are so many revelations that are so well documented that one has to slow down and completely reorientate his or her conception of and attitude toward recent history. His tone is neither particularly vindictive nor is it conspiratorial. It looks at people and events and provides plausible motives and methods that are not part of the conventional awareness. For example, (fact) the British navy decided in the late 19th century to change their primary fuel source from coal to oil, thereby (objective) needing to secure access to oil reserves, basically in perpetuity. (result) British agreements for oil resources with the Sheikh of Kuwait date from 1899. (fact) Oil then comes to supplant coal as the primary energy source for all of the industrializing world, and a decade later Germany threatens to become the leading industrialized nation in Europe and (objective) needs a secure source of oil, so they begin construction on the Berlin to Baghdad railway intending to capitalize on agreements to import Iraqi oil. (question) How does Britain meet this emerging geopolitical threat. (objective) Block Germany's access to Middle East oil. (result) Curiously WWI begins with an out-of-the-way assassination in Croatia that just happens to occur near the route of that railway. War ensues and not only is the B-to-B railway cut off, but Germany loses all colonial power in the Middle East.

Shortly after WWI the leaders of the seven major western oil companies meet and agree to not compete with each other but to cooperate, and in 1928 drew up the Red Line agreement that gave virtually control of virtually all Middle East oil to the Anglo-American cartel. Even France's portion was minimalized to Turkish reserves. The Anglo-American consortium came to be known as the Seven Sisters and over the course of the ensuing decades become more and more infused with global banking and financial interestes, i.e., Rockefeller, J.P.Morgan, the Warburgs, the Rotheschilds, Brown Harriman, etc., coming to dominate the world economy by controlling the primary energy source. It is "all about oil" and has been since the turn of the century.

Engdahl's references are extensive and substantiate his disturbing interpretation of history, like the intentional suppression of the German Mark after WWI and the intentional manipulation of the OPEC oil embargo of the 1970s as a premise to artificially inflate global energy costs (a Bilderberg target objective), thereby making BritPetr North Sea oil exploration efforts solvent and bankrupting the debt burdened Third World.

Engdahl's revelatory insights go up through Gulf War I and one can only speculate as to his thoughts on the current Bush administration's economic/tax policies, the Iraq intervention, and their relationship to consolidating control of the global economy into the hands of a few staggeringly wealthy individuals and corporations. This book should be IN PRINT and TODAY!"

The book has been reprinted in paperback at $16.47 -- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074532309X/qid=1119786128/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-2961057-2920035?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

No conspircacy theory -- just good hard facts reported and described by lots of academicians.

What concpiracies are you alluding to?


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Footnote 1 - "A year earlier, ECD filed an unrelated patent infringement suit against Sanyo Electric, Toshiba, and Yuasa Battery Co. that went before the Federal Trade Commission, resulting in the three companies settling with ECD."

[Violet_Crumble]

3. What is it about conspiracy theorists and crappy web-design?

They all belong to a secret society devoted to spreading ugly and crappy web-design across the internet. They have meetings twice a month where they sit and plot on the best way to spread the use of big ugly fonts and colours that clash, as well as cramming as much as possible onto one page so that the world's longest scroll-bar is produced. Too incredible to believe, right? No! The truth will shock us all! ;)

I wonder if a sport could be created counting up how many times Barry used the phrase 'Too incredible to believe, right?', which was the second sentence on the first page I clicked on. Yep, Barry. It was too incredible to believe and there's a good reason for it...



Violet...

[Englander]

4. I found one of Barry's books on the US Amazon;

'Return of the Giants
by Barry Chamish

Book Description
Are the Anakim or the Refaim, the giants of the Bible, returning to Israel today? There are only two periods of recorded history when giants were reported in Israel: in biblical days from the time of the Flood to the ascension of King David, and since 1993 in modern Israel.'


Said 'A reader';

'Return of the Giants, December 5, 2001
Reviewer: A reader
This is probably the poorest quality book I have ever read.'

It sounds like s/he is being very generous,there.

Barry's theory on how the Nephilim &tc survived;

They got a ride on Noah's Ark.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1881542661/103-4851936-6928614



:tinfoilhat: :scared: :nuke: :scared: :tinfoilhat:

[pelsar]

5. heh....

ride on "noahs ark".....were they stowaways?...hidden amongst the giraffes?

can "we" trade this guy for a palestenian?.....I think i'll feel more comfortable talking with a member of islamic jihad.....