Tolerance vs. terrorism

[drdon326]

Shehzad Tanweer was the bright, Muslim son of a first-generation Pakistani immigrant in Britain. His father owned a fish-and-chips shop, and Tanweer, at 22, was a university student headed for a profession - the kind of story of immigrant assimilation that is so familiar in America. Instead, Tanweer became a murderer, killing himself and other fellow travelers in the morning rush hour on London's Underground.

Muhammad Bouyeri, born in the Netherlands, shot Theo Van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker and a descendant of the painter, six times while Van Gogh was bicycling in Amsterdam. Then he cut Van Gogh's throat and, with his knife, carved an Islamic manifesto on his victim's chest. Van Gogh's offense? He made a film about the oppression of Muslim women. In his trial, Bouyeri turned to Van Gogh's grieving mother to say, "I don't feel your pain. I have to admit that I don't feel sympathy for you. I can't feel for you because you're a nonbeliever."

The outrages committed in the name of Islam are doubly painful in Britain and the Netherlands because, besides the grief and suffering these young Muslim men have caused, there is the viciousness of their betrayal of trust in these notably - perhaps one should say excessively - tolerant European countries.

These are the same nations that gave many Muslim immigrants a new start, nurtured their children as Britons and Netherlanders, and listened courteously to the venom of militant Muslim leaders who, like Tanweer and Bouyeri, had assumed the mantle of citizenship.

Now, the British, the Dutch and other European countries must confront the reality of homegrown terrorists in their midst - a more daunting challenge than dealing with infiltrators from abroad.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/331250p-283021c.html

[cornermouse]

1. Jeffrey Dahmer. John Wayne Gacy.

The only real difference is the politics and method.

[Coastie for Truth]

3. Bad analogy

Try Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph and Edgar Ray Killen for a better analogy.

[cornermouse]

5. A matter of style.

"hen he cut Van Gogh's throat and, with his knife, carved an Islamic manifesto on his victim's chest."

I stand by my original statement. The only real difference between this and Dahmer or Gacy is politics or lack thereof and method.

[Violet_Crumble]

2. Has the name of this forum changed while I wasn't looking...

Last time I checked it was Israel/Palestinian Affairs, not the Post Every Article You Can Find About Muslims That Advocates Harsh Measures forum....

Violet...

[Monkie]

4. i think its a sign of hope that LGF and liberals seem to be on the

same page and working from a common platform of shared ideals
As liberals its important to see the positive side of developments.
I am sure we can learn some important lessons on winning the war on terror from those that hate muslims and arabs.

[cornermouse]

6. Lessons as in what NOT to do?

That's the only thing I'm willing to learn from them.

[bemildred]

8. LOL.

:thumbsup:

[Behind the Aegis]

10. It is a sign...

The same sign that apparently liberals and David Duke can share a common platform of shared ideals about Israel. :eyes:

[Monkie]

11. i dont know enough about david duke to say if i share a common

platform of shared ideals about Israel.
I know enough about david duke that i cant stand reading what the slimy little worm has to say for long enough to find out what his platform and ideals precisely are relating to Israel.
I know hes a racist and a fascist because i have been brought up to recognise,to smell, a racist and a fascist whatever colour coat hes wearing on the day and regardless of the fancy lies that hes spinning this time.
why do i know this?
my family fought fascists,yes literally,in the second world war,nazi's to be precise.Its a thing of pride,family tradition,i was brought up on stories of fighting fascists.
I also know where fascism leads,my parents made a point of showing me where it leads when i was young enough for it to make a real impression.
I have seen the films.
Do you really see racism and fascism regardless of which side its coming from?

[Behind the Aegis]

12. Do you really see racism and fascism regardless of which side its coming f

You bet I do! I see it when others willing or unknowingly turn their heads. No one is immune from racism. Can you truly see it from both sides, as well?

[Monkie]

13. my parents forgot to point out to me what "black people" were

and other silly differences.
Its amusing in a way looking back now,i had a few really confusing conversations with people as a child with them trying to explain things i didnt understand and they didnt dare say what they really meant.
I have had to face up to my own discrimination,ironically i have had a irrational hate of germans that is most likely a product of my parents and great grandparents war experiences,but i did recognise it as such even if it took a while to deal with.

[Beaver Tail]

7. The KKK and the Nazis

Both claim to be Christian but look at what the followers of these to orgs do,

[Coastie for Truth]

9. Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer"

Ray Taliafero (KGO, San Francisco) had a caller call in and discuss Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer". I haven't read it since Caesar was a Corporal in the Roman Legions, and Ray didn't cut him off.

Any thoughts.

[number6]

14. this relates to I/P how ??

:shrug: