Israel vows 'all-out war' on Hamas

[drdon326]

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/01/mideast/index.html


JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel declared "all-out war" against Hamas Monday and said it is freezing diplomatic relations with the Palestinian Authority unless the Palestinian leadership takes "tangible steps to deal with infrastructures of terror."

A statement released after a Cabinet meeting cited Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz as saying the August 19 bus bombing in Jerusalem had "broken the track that was supposed to give the diplomatic process a chance."

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told CNNRadio that military means was not the way to secure peace. He added that breaking off ties with the Palestinian Authority will prevent the road map to peace from ever being implemented.

Before the Israeli announcement, Israeli military helicopters fired missiles at Hamas members Monday in Gaza City.

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Good....road-map was dead when abu copt out dismantling the terrorists
and instituted the now comical hudna.


saeb...always good for a pathetic laugh.

[el_gato]

1. intentional failure

the "road map" was a farce from the get go

[newyorican]

2. Headline: "All-out War"

DrDon: "Good"

Saeb has company...

[Herschel]

3. Perhaps drdon realizes

An all out war to decimate Hamas is the best soultion, though not perfect.

[vierundzwanzig]

4. CNN

is not a credible source.

[The Magistrate]

5. It Is Not The Best Solution, Mr. Herschel

It is only one element of the best solution. This would combine such military activities with genuine concessions, such as dismantling the most radical settlements, and prosecution of settler thugs for their crimes against Arab Palestinians. These two elements combined would cripple Hamas, by greatly reducing support for it among the people of Arab Palestine, thus cutting of supply of recruits, while whittling down the number of active members, and swiftly put the organization on a path to extinction as a power in the situation.

[Darranar]

6. I would agree with your plan...

but I would suggest that the military activity not be "all-out war" but rather a combined security effort by both the PA and Israel to get rid of the settler thugs and the Palestinian terrorists. Such an effort would not only promote cooperation, but would also increase the Palestinian Authority's security infrastructure. This would help pave the way to a peaceful two-state solution.

[StandWatie]

7. *shudder*

if Israeli TV ever showed Arabs wearing Palestinian flags on their uniform arresting or fighting with Jewish Settlers with the IDF helping out you would never hear the end of the screaming from Israelis.

[Darranar]

8. Too bad...

In any peaceful solution, extremists get screwed.

[Herschel]

11. I would agree

The dismantling of a limited number of settlements may be part of an ultimate solution. Israel does prosecute settlers that commit crimes. It would, however, be dangerous to embark upon concessions before the terrorist groups are eliminated.

[Darranar]

12. "Limited number?"

Why not remove all the settlements?

[tinnypriv]

13. *snort*

Herschel means remove a couple of tents and caravans for the TV cameras.

NOT any of these:

Mevo Dotan
Ma'ale Adumimm
Avne Hefez
Ari'el
Bet El
Gilo
Har Homa
Kiryat Arba
Shadot Mehola
Ofra
Pisgat Ze'ev

(randomly picked from memory)

[StandWatie]

14. I'm dying for someone to try that at Kiryat Arba

Let that happen and maybe Israel will develop a new respect for concerns about a Palestinian civil war.

[The Magistrate]

15. Again, Mr. Herschel

It would greatly facilitate elimination of those groups to undertake actions that would reduce support for them among the people of Arab Palestine.

It is an unfortunate fact that Israeli prosecution of settler thugs, in those few instances it occurs, is a mockery, akin to trial of a Klansman in the Jim Crow South for crimes against a Black: sentences are trivial for even the most brutal crimes.

[Herschel]

23. That is one opinion

However, concessions intended to undermine support for terrorists could be declared victory for the terrorists, emboldening them and their potential followers.

[Darranar]

25. Guerilla warfare...

and terrorist warfare, for that matter (at least as it is in the West Bank and Gaza) requires some sympathy for the guerillas or terrorists. If they lacked that sympathy they would be crushed.

They can become as "emboldened" as they want, it doesn't matter as long as they lose that support.

[rini]

9. The road map to hell

was a dead-end from the get go. Now it's time to end the farce of a peaceful solution. Israel has tried and tried, it has never worked. How can you negotiate when the PLO's goal is the complete destruction of Israel and the Israeli people? Israel must win as complete an unconditional victory as we did in WWII, then there can be peace.

[vierundzwanzig]

10. I thought they already did?

n/r

[TheYellowDog]

16. This is excellent

The Palestinians deserve to have an all out war brought against them. I love reading articles like this.

[Darranar]

17. Why?

Why does anyone deserve such a thing? The vast majority of those Palestinians are decent people.

[userdave2061]

18. The vast majority of those Palestinians are decent people

On that note then why does this vast majority of decent people not rise up and remove the small band of terrorists among them? These terrorists are in public riling people to kill Jews and die in the process.

Why do they not clean up the trash among them?

[rini]

19. Palestinians

on the whole are indeed good people, so were the Germans, the similarity between the two is hatred. Not innate hatred, but learned hatred. In my opinion, when the school books, music videos, and governmental endorsement of hatred is stopped, hatred will be reduced. Now prejudice continues, but the manifestations of hatred can be stopped. The KKK still exists, but because of government sanctions, they have (for the most part) stopped their barbarius actions against people.

Short quick answer your question, because they admire the murderers just as the Germans admired the nazis. It goes back to learned hatred.

[Darranar]

21. There are...

other reasons. The Palestinians, rightfully, feel trapped due to the Israeli occupation. They also want to be left alone.

Many Palestinians don't support the suicide bombers; however, they lack the courage to rise up against them. They also don't see why they should when the Israelis don't care about them.

[rini]

27. How does

not allowing their children to die hit you? How about common decency? Where does doing the morally correct thing fit in?

[Darranar]

29. Isn't it the morally correct thing for the Israelis...

to elect the Meretz party? They don't.

[Violet_Crumble]

37. So you don't think Palestinians are good people after all..

I mean, how can someone who believes that the Palestinian people aren't resisting a brutal occupation, but operating out of some nasty hatred towards another group of people, to the extent that they 'allow their children to die' actually think anyone will take them seriously when they throw out a line saying 'they're good people, but....' You want to talk about common decency when you openly support the oppression of the Palestinian people and call them 'immigrants' and show a complete ignorance of international law? Obviously the word decency means something different to you than what it does to most folk. Who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if you turned around and informed all and sundry that the policies of Bush and John Howard are grounded in *decency*...

btw, please learn a bit about Germany under the Nazis before trotting out what yr imagination tells you the bulk of the German population thought or felt. As with the Palestinians, you have absolutely no clue as to what yr talking about...

Violet...

[TheYellowDog]

20. Correction to all of these posts

I would say that a large percentage of Palestinians hate America and wish us dead. I still remember 9/11 when some of them were dancing in the streets, and I have heard accounts on here that it wasn't true, but it did happen. So why should I shed tears for them Darranar?

[Darranar]

22. Uh, no...

some were dancing in the streets, yet most were not.

They don't want the US dead; they want their own state and to be left alone. They view the US as an entity aiding the Israeli occupation that is bothering them.

[rini]

28. Please, Please read the Charters

of these people. They want us dead. You are obviously an idealist, so you must be young because you are not stupid.

[Darranar]

30. Hamas may...

the terrorist organizations may, but the Palestinians don't. That was the statement I took offense at.

[rini]

31. http://www.iris.org.il/plohist.htm

excellent sources of information and credibility, writes
the following about Arafat:]
"The collision between Arafat and the Zionist regime in Israel is reaching a new level of sophistication. He may not be a frank collaborator, but who cares as he is fulfilling his designed role. Arafat cares only about himself, his status and his appearance. He is obsessed with the way he is received, even when he is met by his subordinate officers or his pawn ministers, the ceremony has to be formal with flags and national anthem and it must be the first item on the TV news. He has to be "respected" in public eye. What is important for him is to feel important. He is obsessed with power and the show of power. He managed through money and power to corrupt every one around him, every one. He hates those who command intellect or culture and he despise intellectuals. He has no understanding of civility, morality or decency. He is a political animal of psychopathic predisposition. His aim justifies his means. His aim is himself, nothing else. Arafat tries hard to demolish the remains of the Palestinian civil society. He marginalised the elected legislative council, undermined the civil courts, tortured human rights activists, attacked civil liberties, suppressed newspapers, intimidated political opposition and spread an atmosphere of fear. Arafat monopolized Palestinian economy, established his own companies, controlling import and export, investment and development. It is almost impossible today to do any business without partnership with Arafat's men or paying commission. Some are forced to pay a frank ransom. Arafat denies the legislative council any role except the ceremonial. The only resolution that was allowed to be executed was the council decision to call for a protest strike day against Israel's settlement policy. Arafat refused to discuss the peace agreement with the council. He even refused the council to discuss the infamous Hebron agreement. The Palestinian official TV station was ordered not to broadcast the Council's deliberations."
. (Name kept confidential by request)
.
. other than that he is a fine upstanding man.

[Darranar]

32. Your point?

n/t

[rini]

34. Learn about

This killer you defend.Then if you still want to defend him, oh well.

[Darranar]

36. A brutal man...

but, no, I don't see him as supporting terrorists. He's power-hungry, ambitious - that's why he did support terrorism, as head of the PLO it gained him power and recognition. There's nothing in for him to go towards one side or the other, now - he tolerates the terrorists while not actively aiding them, so that neither side will be able to make a successful effort to remove him.

That's just my hypothesis. If I find evidence - real evidence - that he supports terrorism and doesn't simply tolerate it, I'll change my mind.

[Cassandra]

33. Wow, sounds just like Bush*

"He is obsessed with the way he is received, even when he is met by his subordinate officers or his pawn ministers, the ceremony has to be formal with flags and national anthem and it must be the first item on the TV news. He has to be "respected" in public eye. What is important for him is to feel important. He is obsessed with power and the show of power. He managed through money and power to corrupt every one around him, every one. He hates those who command intellect or culture and he despise intellectuals. He has no understanding of civility, morality or decency. He is a political animal of psychopathic predisposition. His aim justifies his means. His aim is himself, nothing else. "

You'd think they'd recognize each other as kindred spirits.

[rini]

35. I thought

the same thing. Military uniform and all! LOL

[tinnypriv]

24. Stick around in I/P!

You could be quite entertaining.

[TheYellowDog]

26. Thanks

I think that I'll take you up on that offer. ;)