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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:42 PM
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Any Pictures of Still Living "Hijackers"?
In the weeks after 9/11, there were numerous foreign reports stating that as many as 8 men with the same names (and often the same faces!) as the hijackers were actually alive and well. Some of the stories carried actual interviews with the men.

From Paul's Timeline listing for September 16-23, 2001:
1. Ahmed Alnami
2. Saeed Alghamdi
3. Salem Alhazmi
4. Waleed Alshehri
5. Wail Alshehri
6. Abdulaziz Alomari
7. Khalid Almihdhar
8. Marwan Alshehhi

Also:
A. No one claims that Hamza Alghamdi is still alive, but his family says the FBI photo "has no resemblance to him at all"
B. Majed Moqed was last seen by a friend in Saudi Arabia in 2000. This friend claims the FBI picture doesn't look like Moqed.
C. Saudi government claims Mohand Alshehri is alive

Paul has 3 photos of Majed Moqed - and one of them clearly doesn't look at all like the other two. Same deal with Khalid Almihdhar.

***

So where there any pictures -- that could be compared to the FBI mugshots of the 19 hijackers -- published with those late September 2001 reports?

(I've also been curious if the majority of the hijackers stories just happen to be about the hijackers that are not on these lists.)
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:53 PM
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1. Any pictures of the dead one's being screwed by Virginians?
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:57 PM
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2. English equivalent names of the "hijackers"
Patsy
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:03 PM
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3. Photos
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:31 AM
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4. sept/oct 2001 photos?
aren't all of these shots of the "hijackers"?

i mean are there pictures taken post-9/11 of the people who claimed to have their identities stolen. if there was, we could compare them to the pictures released by the fbi.

take waleed alshehri -- who is in the lower left corner. does the waleed alshehri wwho is alive and well look like this? he is a saudi arabian pilot. do we have a picture of him?

i'm assuming that if there were pictures online, paul would have them. maybe they were in the print editions of these newspapers.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:46 AM
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5. Attention- Attention- Attention: wrong way !
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 10:58 AM by medienanalyse
Dear Redsocks, dear people,

the wrong wording produces wrong thoughts and wrong ways of research. Pardon me - it is simple logic. And I had extreme experiences with that matter in the autumn of last year, and Mr. von Bülow even more.

"Hijackers alive" sounds good and gives a nice headline. But it mixes up two things. Please read carefully. It sounds like babytalk but it is not.

a) a hijacker on 9/11 can not be alive. If there were hijackers, they are dead. There is no proof of hijackers at all, there is no identification of the body remains of the bodies which are said to be the bodies of the hijackers. So: who hijacked the planes remains completely unsolved.

b) there are names dropped by the FBI who are same or similar to persons who 1. really existed /2.can be supposed to still be alive like the CIA-agent Khalid Al Midhar /3.never existed

So these categories are DIFFERENT. Whenever we argue and explain and write: let us differ them and let us point to the category a)
Because the FBI claims to know what happened and to be able to prove their allegations. Let them do it. They are obliged to prove the allegations, not we. This is essential.

Why do I tell it: because after the edition of our book all the "identity-question" got mixed up and it was nearly not possible to get it clear in the media. Especially von Bülow made a poor appearance in a well-known TV-show. Not because he was wrong, not because he told stupid things. It was ONLY because ot the term "living hijackers". The media in Germany thought it funny to tell us what they founud out: that there are persons alive with a similar name or the same name (they used mostly our own informations) as the alleged hijackers names. But it was just a poor mistake!!! The FBI did not mean them. And why did we not contact these persons to get out that they were alive and not the "real" hijackers??!!

So the whole bunch of media told us what we say ourselves and turned the argument: we should prove who is "meant" by the FBI and who not.

But the names, the birth-dates, the photos,the addresses are all in the hand of the FBI. And they change immediately some part of these informations if we come close. They changed photos, names. All. Sometimes twice or three times.

So we shall prove what they produce in their photoshops? Forget it!
The burden of proof is on them. If we are in the situation of publicly aguing, let us take out one of the above names and ask: so it is Mr.xy, it is this photo, this birthdate? And where do the parents live? Okay: and now PROVE that he was on the plane. You FBI guys have the abilities by videos, by identifying the bodies and so on.

Do not let them make us deal with their lies!

More, in the example of AlGhamdi, AlOmari and especially for Redsock - Al Sheri- in struggling with the "Spiegel" title-story on
www.medienanalyse-international.de/spiegelmethoden.html

And one more problem: there are at least the "four pilots" who really existed, plus about three more. These "pilots" had doppelgangers who laid out the "evidence". Additionally there are several "jokers" who were filled in or taken out. Not only "hijackers" (i.e. the Bukharis) but also "passengers" (i.e. the Larsons). Think of a Hollywood recruiting office: "we need some more blackhaired men for the background in chapter 7 of the mass-scenario!" and then "I said black-haired". Rge number must add in the end.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 02:24 PM
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6. A very valid point
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 02:26 PM by DulceDecorum
The FBI has photos of some people up on its website.
The FBI has access to photos of several million people, both dead and alive.
The FBI claims that the people in the photos on its website hijacked the 9:11 planes.
The FBI has not produced any proof whatsoever of this.

(Unless you are willing to count that laminated paper ID card that miraculously escaped the conflagration at the World Trade Center that managed to destroy entire buildings that were NOT even bruised by the planes.
How the FBI KNEW it belonged to a HIJACKER and not some Guatemalan janitor trying to stay one step ahead of INS, is beyond me.)

Since the FBI appears to have no real information about the hijackers, and the hijackers, (if any) MUST have died in the crash, there is little to be gained in going down that rabbit hole.

All we can and have determined, is that the FBI created identities and then real live people then came forward saying that those identities were identical to their own.

The FBI then backed down and clammed up.

We saw the same scenario a few months later.
Check out the photographs in this other case.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1030103/asp/foreign/story_1538005.asp

Conclusion:
The FBI appears to be blowing smoke.
The FBI appears to be almost irrelevant,
concerning the proper identification and apprehension of the ACTUAL perpetrators of September 11, 2001.

Furthermore,
the FBI apparently has not bothered to check up with the Wilmington Trust nor the the First National Bank both incorporated in Delaware to find out why it is that both of the 9:11 planes operated by American Airlines have January 14,2002 listed as the date upon which they were destroyed.
Nor does it appear that the FBI is in any way interested in finding out why both 9:11 planes owned and operated by United Airways continue to have valid registration certificates as can easily be demonstrated by the going to the FAA website
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/defimg.asp
and typing in either the N-number
or the Boeing serial numbers.

American Airlines Flight 11:
Boeing 767-200ER, registration: N334AA:
Allegedly crashed into WTC Tower 1 (North): serial number 22332

American Airlines Flight 77:
Boeing 757-200, registration: N644AA
Allegedly crashed into Pentagon in Arlington: serial number 24602

United Airlines Flight 93
Boeing 757, registration: N591UA
Allegedly crashed near Shanksville, PA: serial number 28142

United Airlines Flight 175
Boeing 767-200ER, registration: N612UA
Allegedly crashed into WTC Tower 2(South): serial number 21873

These planes actually existed and it would appear, from the FAA database, that two of them STILL DO.
The FBI appears unconcerned.
As do both political parties and the 9:11 Investigation Commission.

There does not even appear to be the SLIGHTEST bit of outrage that United Airlines and American Airlines have collected a HUGE amount of insurance for the alleged destruction of planes that STILL appear to have been viable for months (AA) or up to the present time (UA).

6/27/2001
"The conspiracy by United and American to reach détente, create a cartel and control the U.S. domestic market will be so devastating that it should be disapproved outright," Continental Airlines CEO Gordon Bethune told the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2001-06-27-american-united.htm

November 14, 2001
Perhaps no single event in the history of the aviation industry has caused such immediate an impact and potential long-term damage as the terrorist attacks of September 11. The terrorists chose to attack America through the aviation industry. The resulting fear has all but put the airlines out of business. Tens of thousands have lost jobs. At least 6,000 people were killed and over 8,000 were known to be injured. Legal claims for losses are estimated between $10 and $15 billion.
Eleven days after the September 11 disaster, Congress passed emergency airline bailout legislation designed to provide unprecedented financial/liability protection for domestic air carriers.
http://www.avweb.com/news/avlaw/181615-1.html

And so it goes,
NONE of the facts pertaining to the actual aircraft themselves is considered to be worthy of investigation or clarification by the either the powers that be or the powers that wannabe.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot-- And whether pigs have wings."
--Lewis Carroll
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BassettWilliams Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:06 PM
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9. One question:
Furthermore,
the FBI apparently has not bothered to check up with the Wilmington Trust nor the the First National Bank both incorporated in Delaware to find out why it is that both of the 9:11 planes operated by American Airlines have January 14,2002 listed as the date upon which they were destroyed.
Nor does it appear that the FBI is in any way interested in finding out why both 9:11 planes owned and operated by United Airways continue to have valid registration certificates as can easily be demonstrated by the going to the FAA website


I did as you suggested.



The website also has the following:

For further information, please contact:

Civil Aviation Registry
AFS-700
PO BOX 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125




Question: Did you contact them for further information?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:42 PM
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11. No
Did you?
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BassettWilliams Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 09:14 PM
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12. No?
I'm shocked; I thought you were a 911 researcher.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 09:43 PM
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13. And apparently
you do not count yourself as a 911 researcher?

WHAT pray, is preventing YOU from writing to that address?

YOU could help us all out greatly
by writing and then letting us know their response.
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BassettWilliams Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 09:12 AM
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14. Of course I can
and now I will, but quite frankly from your prolific posting and expertise I assumed you had already done so; after all, it would have been the next step for a researcher.

Until I get a response explaining it all, I have to give the benefit of the doubt and believe that there is a very simple and logical reason for it. I'm not inclined to rush to conclusions.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. And the only way
you are going to get a response,
is if YOU write to the FAA and ask them to explain it all.
Since you do not seem to be inclined to do that,
I guess that means that you are stuck.

Incidentally,
those whose standards are not as high as yours
can take note of the fact that
the FAA has TWICE asked United Airlines to account for these two planes via the Triennial Aircraft Registration form and has TWICE been ignored despite the fact that this refusal to submit information is a breach of federal law.

So why has the FAA NOT gone after United Airlines?
We do not know the answer to that question.

But we DO know,
that if the plane has been commandeered by the US military,
then it no longer falls under the jurisdiction of the FAA.
In such a case, the FAA would be legally FORBIDDEN
to act, or confirm, or deny, or to do ANYTHING, pertaining to that particular aircraft.

It is obvious that the FAA does not appear to be at all interested in that particular plane
DESPITE
the fact that the FAA is simultaneously assisting the FBI in the investigation of the events of September 11, 2001.

But by all means,
do not allow these facts to cause you to rush into any conclusion.
Without doubt, there is a very simple and logical reason for the fact that
the United Airlines planes are still apparently INTACT and capable of flight
and also for the fact that the two American Airlines planes apparently remained intact
until they were allegedly destroyed on January 14, 2002.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:53 PM
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17. The FAA on the 9/11 planes
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/D_0912_N.txt

**** 09/25/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 1 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 09/12/2001
From: EASTERN REGION OPERATIONS CENTER

B. Reg. No.: 334AA M/M: B767 Desc: B-767
Activity: Business Phase: Other GA-A/C: Air Carrier
Descr: AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 WAS EN ROUTE FROM BOSTON, MA, TO LOS
ANGELES, CA, WHEN IT WAS HIJACKED AND CRASHED INTO THE WORLD TRADE
CENTER BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN, THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND
ALL 92 POB SUFFERED FATAL INJUREIS, THE NUMBER/EXTENT OF INJURIES
ON THE GROUND IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME, NEW YORK, NY.

Wx: METAR 111251Z 31010KT 10SM FEW250 21/14 A3013
Damage: Destroyed
C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 11 Fat: 11 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 81 Fat: 81 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: Y
D. Location. City: NEW YORK State: NY Country: US
E. Event Date: 09/11/2001 Time: 1250
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: EA15 DO City: NEW YORK
DO State: NY Others: NTSB/FBI
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: BOSTON, MA Dep Date: 09/11/2001 Time:
Dest: LOS ANGELES, CA Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: IFR
Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
Other:

AAI IIC:


**** 09/25/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 2 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 09/12/2001
From: EASTERN REGION OPERATIONS CENTER

B. Reg. No.: 591UA M/M: B757 Desc: B-757
Activity: Business Phase: Other GA-A/C: Air Carrier
Descr: UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93 WAS EN ROUTE FROM NEWARK, NJ, TO SAN
FRANCISCO, CA, WHEN IT WAS HIJACKED AND CRASHED SOUTH OF INDIAN
LAKE ARPT, THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED, AND DEBRIS WAS SCATTERED OVER A
2 MILE AREA, ALL 45 POB WERE FATALLY INJURED, BUCKSTOWN, PA.

Wx: METAR 11154Z AUTO 30009KT 10SM CLR 16/12 A3029
Damage: Destroyed
C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 7 Fat: 7 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 38 Fat: 38 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
D. Location. City: BUCKSTOWN State: PA Country: US
E. Event Date: 09/11/2001 Time: 1400
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: EA03 DO City: ALLEGHENY CO.
DO State: PA Others: NTSB/FBI
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: NEWARK, NJ Dep Date: 09/11/2001 Time:
Dest: SAN FRANCISCO, CA Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: IFR
Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
Other:

AAI IIC: JAMES


**** 09/25/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 3 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 09/12/2001
From: EASTERN REGION OPERATIONS CENTER

B. Reg. No.: 612UA M/M: B767 Desc: B-767
Activity: Business Phase: Other GA-A/C: Air Carrier
Descr: UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 WAS EN ROUTE FROM BOSTON, MA, TO LOS
ANGELES, CA, WHEN IT WAS HIJACKED AND CRASHED INTO THE WORLD TRADE
CENTER BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN AND WAS DESTROYED, ALL 65
POB SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES, AND THE NUMBER/EXTENT OF INJURIES ON
THE GROUND IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME, NEW YORK, NY.

Wx: METAR 111251Z 31010KT 10SM FEW250 21/14 A3013
Damage: Destroyed
C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 9 Fat: 9 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 56 Fat: 56 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: Y
D. Location. City: NEW YORK State: NY Country: US
E. Event Date: 09/11/2001 Time: 1250
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: EA15 DO City: NEW YORK
DO State: NY Others: NTSB/FBI
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: BOSTON, MA Dep Date: 09/11/2001 Time:
Dest: LOS ANGELES, CA Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: IFR
Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
Other:

AAI IIC:


**** 09/25/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 4 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 09/12/2001
From: EASTERN REGION OPERATIONS CENTER

B. Reg. No.: 644AA M/M: B757 Desc: B-757
Activity: Business Phase: Other GA-A/C: Air Carrier
Descr: AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 WAS EN ROUTE FROM WASHINGTON-DULLES,
VA, TO LOS ANGELES, CA, WHEN IT WAS HIJACKED AND CRASHED INTO THE
PENTAGON, THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED AND ALL 64 POB WERE FATALLY
INJURED, THE NUMBER/EXTENT OF INJURIES ON THE GROUND IS UNKNOWN AT
THIS TIME, WASHINGTON, DC.

Wx: METAR KDCA 1251Z 35005KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A3021
Damage: Destroyed
C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 6 Fat: 6 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 58 Fat: 58 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: Y
D. Location. City: WASHINGTON State: DC Country: US
E. Event Date: 09/11/2001 Time: 1250
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: EA27 DO City: WASHINGTON IAD
DO State: DC Others: NTSB/FBI
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: DULLES, VA Dep Date: 09/11/2001 Time:
Dest: LOS ANGELES, CA Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: IFR
Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
Other:

AAI IIC:


All planes accounted for: destroyed on 9/11.

Do over, Dulce.
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BassettWilliams Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:00 PM
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19. Reading skills?
Since you do not seem to be inclined to do that, Try again. My message clearly stated that I will contact them. In fact I have already written and mailed the letter. I have no fear to ask, and if it were I doing the research I would have contacted them before, repeat before posting assumptions. I am looking forward to their response. I hope it will sink your theory, and then we'll see about who's "stuck."
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. thank you BassettWilliams
without any irony. It is the good aproach to take us sceptics for important enough to really argue with us.

For that you need facts and not bushist stories. When you begin to investigate yourself you are on the way. Welcome to the guild of the "conspiracy theorists" - sooner or later you will join. No joke. Nobody of us began his research work with a preplanned agenda in the kind of "I want to make Bush a criminal" or "I want to exculpate the Muslims". I do not care for Bush and not for Muslims i.e.

Whatever will happen - the most important fact is that you began to research and not only to argue about opinions.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Apologies
I misread the first line of your post.
Good to see someone unafraid to ask.

I am anxiously awaiting their response.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 03:09 PM
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7. Three pictures of Al-Omari (co-pilot of AA 11)
Alomari #1: The "official" Alomari



Alomari #2: The "9/11" Alomari, in Portland



Alomari #3: The "pre-9/11" Alomari, proclaiming his last will on a video, broadcast by Al-Jazeera around 9/11 2002 together with a message of Osama bin Laden where he praises the four pilots




The same person in all three pictures?

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 03:30 PM
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8. Yep!
Same guy - all three pictures.

Please note - none of these pictures are a picture of a person alive at the present time claiming that someone (whether FBI or al-Qaeda) stole his identity.

One is the passport picture released by the FBI.

One is the ATM camera picture taken 9/10/01. That's Atta in the background.

One is a film of the man before the attacks.

All are the same person. All are before 9/11.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:21 PM
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10. good to know that we have an expert here: bolo
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:23 PM by medienanalyse
"All are the same person. All are before 9/11."

The first sentence I am willing to believe. Because I always believe people who tell me: "It is as I say, believe me. There is no alternative." I believe in the expertise although there are doppelgangers as an Atta who obtained two visa on the same day on Jan.10th, 2001 and who coul talk with his father one day after 9/11 ("big trouble"), Jarrah with two different heads and being in Afghanistan and in a flight training in Floroda in the sme time, Hamjour with two different handwritings and so on.

So I just believe it. Maybe I believe it because I believe too that AlOmari is a CIA asset like Binalshib and AlMidhar. And that they are all alive. But like Binalshib - we are -sorrysorry- not able to present him to the public.

It is the second sentence: "All are before 9/11".

Please enlighten us, Bolo, how you got that out. Because of an inscription of a photo maybe?

Yes? Okay. We believe in the authenticity of the photos. Okay? Background AND foreground. Okay?

Hell, Bolo, please explain me how Alomari could produce such a backround on the pgoto in advance in photo #3.

Yes I understand. there are exemptions. Some photos are completely valid because they support your cause, and some pgotos are mixtures by "Super AlQuaida Fotos, Inc", Kandahar. This company is run by binLadens mum who makes 2000 million bucks per year by mixing photos and videos of hijackers: face with a bluescreen in the background, wtc or Pentagon into the blue screen, its easy.

Yes. Bolo. I understand. These terrorists are really tricky. Have a good night and lock the door, Bolo.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:51 PM
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15. Hey Bolo......
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 01:58 PM by seatnineb
Care to litigate with a San Franciscan lawyer?

"I do have a witness who was married. She's an American woman but she was married to one of the hijackers and she knew about seven of them. She met seven of them. Essentially these Arab hijackers were double agents. That is they were operating inside the U.S. for ten to fifteen years in "cells". Some of them used the term al Qaeda. They've used other terms. Al Qaeda is just a word. That means nothing. You could call them the Muslim Brotherhood, the Army of God. They go by all sorts of names. But what they are is a series of cells that have been aided and abetted by the U.S. Government. This woman was involved also, married to him at the time of the 1993 World Trade Center first bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing when her "ex-husband" actually traveled to Oklahoma City several weeks before the bombings. And they were involved, apparently, in that.

But what we have here is double agents. In that they nominally appear to be Arab fanatics. But one of the points that she stressed is they are really not Muslims. They are more interested in Playboy than in the Koran. I mean these people drink. They are very secular. They are not the fanatical Muslim zealots that the Bush criminals would lead us to believe is what's operating here. What they are is they receive regular payments from the U.S. Government. They have been recruited by the CIA, FBI, counter-intelligence, and so-forth and paid money and allowed to exchange information with U.S. government agents about various activities going on . . .

The witness I was talking about, personally met Atta -- two Attas -- Mohamed and the younger brother. And they are alleged to be two of the ones on the airliners. The thing is, these individuals are, in my view, "patsies". That is, they were paid by the government. I don't believe that they themselves flew the planes into, as I said previously, allegations are that the government has this device that we codename Cyclops that allows, from an airbase nearby, to disable the pilot's control of an airliners and to fly them by remote control.
They(Hijackers) were on the government payroll. There is no question, as I said earlier, double agents. In some cases, triple agents. But, the point is that what we have here is a situation where, in my opinion, some of those alleged nineteen were on the plane, some were not. The person who used to be married to my witness, for example, we have some evidence to believe that he is STILL ALIVE, THAT HE HAS CONTACTED HER. How could he be dead in a crash when he is contacting her now? This is the kind of stuff we are dealing with now. These are individuals who were groomed by the U.S. government and they were protected."

Stanley Hilton

http://www.ratical.com/ratville/CAH/SH031403.html

Happy reading Bolo .......
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:55 PM
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18. Hilton has enough pending litigation...
...without bothering with little old me.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:16 PM
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21. Atta was educated at an Officer's school in Montgomery, Alabama
http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2001/09/20/2001092012469.htm

A Pentagon spokesman, Col. Ken McClellan, said a man named Mohamed Atta had once attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala.

But that is, of course, just a coincidence :P

But Atta is a fairly common surname in the Middle East and the suspected hijacker's first name is "probably the No. 1 name that is given to babies, in honor of the prophet Mohamed," said Alquatami.

It would be interesting to compute the probability of such a coincidence, keeping in mind that Montgomery does not lie in Saudi Arabia ot Egypt. Than take this probability to the fourth power, as we have four (or more) of these guys studying at US military schools with the same names as the hijackers.

You will get a combined probability next to zero.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:27 PM
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22. Plus, John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln in a theater and ran to a warehouse
...while Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK from a warehouse and ran to a theater!

Coincidence?
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:03 PM
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24. Very stupid distraction

A criminal investigation confronted with name coincidences as in the Atta case has to investigate the case, otherwise it's no criminal investigation.

The best way to refute the conjecture that the Montgomery Atta is the 9/11 Atta would be to present the Montgomery Atta to the media. But that has never happened.



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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:52 PM
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23. when asked about this
When asked about this, the Pentagon said that it was a different man whose age did not match the age of the hijacker Atta.

When asked to provide proof of that claim, the Pentagon refused.

And the press stopped asking and went away satisfied.

:grr:
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