Mr_Jefferson_24
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Mon Jul-24-06 12:20 PM
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Poll question: Do you consider the 9-11 Commission's explanation... |
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...for the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 to be plausible?
And secondly,
Do you consider the official explanation for the conspicuous absence of widespread, discernible, aircraft wreckage (particularly the two 6000 lb titanium alloy jet engines) at the Pentagon crash site (vaporization) to be credible?
And thirdly,
Do you believe the widely distributed recordings, said to be cell call conversations from flight 93, to be authentic?
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DrDebug
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Mon Jul-24-06 12:26 PM
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There is a possibility that some of the conversations did take place, however I am highly sceptical whether it was in an airplane 10,000 feet up in the air and it was just staged somewhere. I specifically consider the conversation of Madeline Sweeney, alleged flight attendant of Flight 11 staged because her conversation was used to link the day's hijackings to Al-Qaeda.
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Mr_Jefferson_24
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Mon Jul-24-06 12:34 PM
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2. "Staged" might have been a better word... |
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...than "authentic" for question three. For the purposes of question three of this poll, any staged conversation would be considered not authentic.
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Mon Jul-24-06 12:50 PM
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3. My answer: Insufficient data for strong opinions. |
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The closer I look at stuff, the less I can be sure of anything.
What we do know: the official investigations were slipshod and sometimes dishonest. We need a new investigaion with subpoena power.
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Mon Jul-24-06 01:17 PM
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4. Agreed. A fresh investigation by an independent... |
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...body of experts and investigators with some real authority is exactly what's needed. Unfortunately, at this point, it looks unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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Fri Aug-04-06 03:26 AM
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5. Just the fact that they won't allow a real investigation |
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is incriminating in and of itself. They already look as incompetent as they are going to look, so they aren't hiding incompetence.
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Mr_Jefferson_24
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Wed Aug-09-06 01:40 AM
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6. They're hiding complicity if not direct involvement. |
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Wed Aug-09-06 09:05 AM
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7. What is the difference in complicity & direct involvement? |
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Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 09:06 AM by Artdyst
Is it a psychological fear of having to come face to face with the uncomfortable fact that 9/11 was an inside job? Is that the basis for the wobbly?
In your mind, is complicity the same thing as involvement?
What is the difference between "direct" involvement and indirect involvement?
Do you feel that it's important to use common sense about claims that a sick man that lives in a cave in Afghanistan could have inspired, plotted, planned, organized, funded, or otherwise defeated the combined military, technological, scientific, intelligence, and common sense of the most powerful nation in the known physical universe? When you stop and think about it, does that make sense to you? Forget about the propaganda/disinformation that all of us are exposed to on a daily basis. Just use your on God-given common sense.
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Wed Aug-09-06 09:58 AM
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8. If by psychological fear you mean denial... |
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Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 10:03 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...yes, I think this is the basis for the wobbly, and I don't begrudge them for it. Everybody has to cope somehow and many need more time to digest the events of 9-11. It's still just too painful for many to accept our own government's culpability. It wasn't until '04 that I started taking a serious critical look at 9-11 questions and truth seeking myself.
In a general way, I guess I'd associate complicity with LIHOP, and direct involvement with MIHOP.
Yes, making use of basic common sense and deductive logic is very important to the investigative process. The lack of the application of common sense by the 9-11 Commission, MSM, and many others, to the events of 9-11 over the past 5 years has been astonishing. It has obstructed getting at the truth.
The notion that 9-11 traces solely to al Qaeda/bin Laden defies common sense and basic logic in my opinion.
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Wed Aug-09-06 05:12 PM
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Did the 9/11 commission explain the collapse of WTC 1 and 2?
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Wed Aug-09-06 05:16 PM
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Were the pieces of Flight 77 ever described as being "vaporised" in the ASCE account of the Pentagon building performance (the closest thing to an "official" account that event has)?
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Wed Aug-09-06 05:21 PM
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Weren't recordings of the cell phone calls from various planes used in the Moussaoui trial and just recently released to the general public? http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
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