Tower block fire aids 9/11 debate

[KJF]

A high-rise block in Glasgow has been set alight in an attempt to understand how blazes affect buildings and ensure future safety in emergencies.

Jose Torero, professor of fire safety engineering at the University of Edinburgh, conducted the experiment on a 24-storey tower block in Dalmarnock.

He also hopes it will shed light on why the Twin Towers collapsed on 9/11.

Prof Torero said he believed the World Trade Centre in New York should have "withstood burnout" after it was hit.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/5216788.stm

I got this at: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/professor-twin-towers-should-have.html

Apparently, the BBC is making a programme about the Edinburgh experiment. It will be interesting to see what they say.

[Jazz2006]

1. I get a 404 - page not found message at the BBC link, KJF

Edit: I can get to it via the other link, though.

It will be interesting to see what comes of it, although the obvious differences between this particular building and the WTC buildings tend to make me think that there is so little correlation that it won't shed any light on the WTC collapses.

Still, if it provides any meaningful data for future fire safety, even if not at all relevant to the WTC, it's a worthwhile endeavour.

[Make7]

3. It worked for me. ( n/t )

[greyl]

4. You can open it using IE tab or IE.

Not Firefox. ;)

[Jazz2006]

6. Ahhh, I'm using Firefox.

:)

But I'd already edited my initial post to add that I was able to get to the BBC link via the other link... and that

"It will be interesting to see what comes of it, although the obvious differences between this particular building and the WTC buildings tend to make me think that there is so little correlation that it won't shed any light on the WTC collapses.

Still, if it provides any meaningful data for future fire safety, even if not at all relevant to the WTC, it's a worthwhile endeavour."

[greyl]

7. Opera works too. ;)

Yes, it'll be somewhat interesting even though it's not a true analog of the twin towers or WTC7. I did a search for Torero, and he looks to be a respected guy among his educated peers.

edit: In other words, I doubt he'll use rabbit cage logic.

[petgoat]

8. rabbit cage logic is a cheap shot. If you don't like the rabbit

cage, build a better model yourself.

NIST had $20 million dollars to study the WTC.

Do you know how they simulated aircraft debris impacting fireproofing?

[greyl]

9. meh

[petgoat]

14. I don't know why you think that post is a gotcha. nt

[greyl]

15. That's fine, it's for the centurion archives. nt

[mirandapriestly]

13. And their model didn't even work

that is what is so funny. The Bush cter's never ridicule that.

[Carefulplease]

23. I want to know ! I want to know !

Please, don't tease me anymore. How did they do it?

[BuddyYoung]

11. Fear not. If the results displease OCT'ers, they have plenty of other

tactics specifically held in reserve for use in discrediting the truth and diverting attention. Why do you think they're called OCT'ers?

[Make7]

2. I wonder how that building was constructed.

Was it a steel building, or did it also have reinforced concrete structural elements? Too lazy to search right now.

It should be interesting to see what data, if any, they collected about the temperatures of the fires.

-Make7

[KJF]

5. Structure

I really doubt the structure is similar to that of the WTC - it looks like it might be a concrete prefab or something. So I guess he was only after the fire temperatures. Maybe then he'll apply them to some sort of model.

[Make7]

10. I'll be interested to see what information is reported in that program.

A kick to this thread when it airs, as a reminder to those of us with impaired memory skills, would be appreciated. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

-Make7

[sabbat hunter]

12. from the picture

on the bbc website it looks like a steel and concrete masonry building.

[greyl]

16. kick

[mirandapriestly]

17. Building Does Not Collapse

9/11 Tower Recreation: Building Does Not Collapse

Firefighting News | August 4 2006

There were dramatic scenes when experts torched a Glasgow tower block - to find out why New York's World Trade Centre collapsed when it was hit by hijacked planes. The experiment, filmed for a BBC documentary, was carried out in a 22-floor high-rise in Dalmarnock due for demolition by Glasgow Housing Association.

Experts from Edinburgh
Jose Torero, a Peruvian professor of fire safety engineering at Edinburgh University, who led the fire experiment after tests on computer models, said: "It didn't even cross my mind the Twin Towers would collapse.

"We are trying to evaluate the structures which people use to build buildings and to test how fire burns in buildings."

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/911_tower_recreation_building_no_collapse.htm

[hack89]

18. Being a little selective, aren't we?

"Once the property was fully on fire, a signal was given to fire crews to put out the blaze."

[Artdyst]

19. I know you didn't claim this report is earthshaking NEWS, but wouldn't it

be more meaningful if the building HAD collapsed? After all, no large "plane" "crashed" into it, and even if it had, that particular building isn't exactly known as "TOO Tall McKenzie", and isn't the weather in Scotland a lot different in some ways than it is in NYC? Also, did they take into account the effects of gravity? A lot of people don't know this, but plain, old-fashioned GRAVITY, in combination with a very large commercial airliner, kerosene, and thick floors -- when you have all that working, GRAVITY itself is a cruel, unforgiving force that Muslim physics has a hard time reckoning with, and I would think when it comes time for a peer review of what that group of skirt-wearing group of Scots did, those lads (and lassets) are going to be laughed out of town for failing to even acknowledge the fact (it is generally, widely accepted that it IS a fact, not just a theory) that GRAVITY can cause things to fall down go bonk, ouch.

The very noive.

[Jazz2006]

22. Welcome to DU, Artdyst

:hi:

[LARED]

20. That's not surprising given the size of the fire

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/5216788.stm

[Jazz2006]

21. It is remarkably lacking in structural damage from aircraft impact, too.

I'm all for people studying fire safety. But it is difficult to fathom how this particular experiment has any correlation to what happened at the twin towers.