A question? How did they get the pilots to fly into the towers?

[pooja]

[originalpckelly]

1. You know I want to understand that as well...

who the hell would blow themselves up?

[pooja]

2. Was auto-pilot stuck?

[valerief]

4. Dudes who expect to get a few dozen virgins. n./t

[pooja]

5. I thought the panel just said the "trained pilots" couldn't have

flown the planes.. so who did?

[valerief]

6. They said the dudes who got training didn't get enough training

to fly a commercial airliner.

[BuddyYoung]

9. Check out this site. I think you'll really like it.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/building.html

[pooja]

14. ok, so what about the witnesses that said they saw the plane

and the sound of woosh. I don't understand that.

[valerief]

3. Didn't they parachute out? n/t

[babylonsister]

7. Per my husband, the real pilots got the plane off the ground; it

doesn't take as much expertise to steer them where or into where you want to go.

[Bushwick Bill]

10. Please ask him...

Could a guy who was denied the opportunity to fly a single engine Cessna a month before the attacks because he was such a bad pilot spin a 757 270-330 degrees and drop it 7,000 feet, all in two minutes, keep it a few feet off the ground at 530 mph, and hit a building that isn't even that tall, the Pentagon?

Also please ask him what he thinks about this article.
http://www.physics911.net/sagadevan.htm

[babylonsister]

12. To your first question, absolutely not.

I haven't gotten to the second question yet.

Disclaimer: he's not a pilot but works for an airline and has lots of experience, as a mechanic and engineer.

[mirandapriestly]

15. The ATCS thought Flight 77 was a fighter jet

because it was so expertly flown. The alleged hijacker of 77 did not have a very good reputation as a pilot, many think he was not capable of that kind of flying.

[Bolo Boffin]

16. Busy night, huh?

Lots of misconceptions and half-truths for you to reinforce because of the C-Span deal. Hope you get overtime...

[babylonsister]

17. Please elaborate on that, boloboffin. For me, and in a PM, if

that's more comfortable. I'm trying to get to the truth and that seems elusive.

[mirandapriestly]

27. No need to do it in a PM, keep it in the open

You can see my post below. There are accounts that specifically say air traffic controller rather than witness, but I'm not going to look all night.

[mirandapriestly]

26. This from the Washington Post

what are you trying to pull?
"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.

Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11¬Found=true

[Bolo Boffin]

29. the "pivot" reminded them of a "fighter jet manuever"

There isn't a single ATC in that room that thinks that plane was anything other than Flight 77.

[mirandapriestly]

33. Oh yeah?

At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."

The plane was between 12 and 14 miles away, says O'Brien, "and it was just a countdown. Ten miles west. Nine miles west … Our supervisor picked up our line to the White House and started relaying to them the information, we have an unidentified very fast-moving aircraft inbound toward your vicinity, 8 miles west."

http://web.archive.org/web/20011024150915/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_011024_atc_feature.html

[Bolo Boffin]

36. Yeah.

That was a fleeting impression. There isn't a single one of them that think that now. When confronted with the facts, they corrected their false impressions.

You, on the other hand...

[mirandapriestly]

40. bwahahahahaha!!!

You people will stop at nothing to falsify!

[babylonsister]

41. Thanks, miranda. That's the first I've ever seen this

anywhere, though I've not been following what's going on as closely as most.
Very interesting, and leaves me scratching my head!

[Grateful for Hope]

28. You might to read the Washington Post article that MP is providing..n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

30. You might want to read it yourself. n/t

[Grateful for Hope]

31. Such a mature response. How old are you...12?

[Bolo Boffin]

32. I'm going to give you a chance to self-delete that.

There's nothing in that article that supports miranda's claims about it. Considering the subject, I'd say my restraint was admirable and most adult in tone.

[mirandapriestly]

34. What excuse will you make for this one?

At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."

The plane was between 12 and 14 miles away, says O'Brien, "and it was just a countdown. Ten miles west. Nine miles west … Our supervisor picked up our line to the White House and started relaying to them the information, we have an unidentified very fast-moving aircraft inbound toward your vicinity, 8 miles west."

http://web.archive.org/web/20011024150915/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_011024_atc_feature.html

[Bolo Boffin]

37. AIIIIIEEEE! You sprung your wicked trap!

Oh, I'm melting, I'm melting...faster than WTC steel, I'm melting...

:eyes:

[mirandapriestly]

39. Ah, the truth makes you melt

that figures. No wonder you hate people who question the government.

[Bolo Boffin]

42. I'm getting better. n/t

[greyl]

45. BOMBSHELL!! The hijackers were flying in an unsafe manner!

"You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."

[mirandapriestly]

35. I'm going to give you a chance to self-delete that

but I'd rather you didn't so everyone can see you for what you really are.

[FogerRox]

18. I'm thinking ex-Saudi Air Force Pilots.

[TheWraith]

22. That's true.

Landing and takeoff are the hardest parts of flying. Once you're in the air, it's easy to steer and move around. I've done it, and if you go to any municipal airport you can probably get flying lessons where they basically turn the plane over to you after five minutes of instructions. If you know the basic principles of flight, you can get around. You'd probably be more dangerous than a fully trained pilot (in terms of not knowing what manuvers to do or not to do), but it's easy enough to figure out.

[mother earth]

8. Remember they talked about Northwoods? Remote, baby...it

was during the Kennedy term that they proposed to hijack a plane & destroy it, via remote control. If they had the ability to do it then & considered it, which Kennedy absolutely refused (hmmm...and he's not around any more...), they certainly had the technology back then.

Do a search for operation northwoods, it's a real eye opener & was something they were actively considering.

[originalpckelly]

11. Where did the people go who were on the planes?

:shrug:

[orleans]

19. the video "painful deceptions" mentions this

regarding flight 77 into the pentagon

if i remember correctly, it says that the plane landed at a military base in ohio; after all was said and done the bodies & body parts found at the pentagon were routed to a morgue (i forget where) and then to a second morgue in dover (delaware i think).

the theory is that the people from flight 77 were taken into a room with a bomb and when dover was receiving the bodies they naturally assumed they were all coming from the pentagon.

(sounds rather absurd and ghoulish but then all of the events of 9/11 are so completely over the top.....who the hell knows what really happened)

[TheWraith]

23. You do realize that that's a complete and total made up story, right?

There's absolutely no evidence for anything so outlandish. In theory, if you were engaging in such a conspiracy, why not just crash the plane with the people in it? Why go to all the extreme length and risk of trying to simulate such a death rather than just doing it? The hallmark of an unworkable theory is that it requires an elaborate explanation where there's a simpler and more obvious one--to wit, the people who were on the planes really were on the planes.

[petgoat]

43. "Why go to all the extreme length and risk "

Top avoid the extreme risk of the human factor. Could you rely on a
poorly trained pilot (who failed a few weeks earlier to qualify to
rent a Cessna) to perform a diving 270 degree turn, then fly five feet
off the ground at 400 mph into a target less than a hundred feet high?

A 29-year-old who'd once dreamed of being a flight attendant and never
accomplished anything in his life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour

[mia]

13. Automated landing systems could bring a hijacked airplane 'home'

http://www.facsnet.org/issues/specials/terrorism/aviation.php3

[orleans]

20. i just scanned that article but damn! did we ever come up

with that technology FAST--three weeks later and poof! we've got it!

[petgoat]

44. Raytheon landed a pilotless 727 six times in New Mexico in

August 2001.


http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/remote-flying/remote-piloting.txt

[Sinti]

21. Brainwashing perhaps - like the way they got the Jonestown folks to drink

the punch. It's not quite as difficult as people would have you believe. If you're asking how the untrained pilots managed to do what they did, Usama and friends had free and unfettered access to all of Ariana Afghan Airlines while he was there. And apparently Atta and perhaps others may have had some training at an American Air Force base - can't remember which one off-hand.

[orleans]

24. i think that was mentioned

in this video i'm listening to
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
"everybody's gottal learn sometime"

[Sinti]

25. Maybe they've made Jose Delgado's dream of physical control of the mind

come real. And they just "pushed the pilots buttons" literally.

Dr. Jose Delgado, a neurosurgeon and Yale professor, <7><8><9> received funding for brain electrode research on children and adults. In the 1950s, he developed the Stimoceiver; a miniature electrode placed within an individual’s cranium capable of receiving and transmitting electronic signals. Delgado was able to control the movements of his subjects by pushing buttons on a remote transmitter. He demonstrated his Stimoceivers by wiring a fully-grown bull. With the device in place, Delgado stepped into the ring with the bull. The animal charged towards the experimenter – and then suddenly stopped, just before it reached him. The powerful beast had been stopped with the simple action of pushing a button on a small box held in Delgado’s hand. <10> MC 147, BB 88 For more, click here.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol10pg#implants

That wired bull bit happened in front of god and everyone on CNN in like 1985, I believe.


Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0829005749/103-5606071-5991850?v=glance&n=283155

[rman]

38. Accoring to the Official Story, same way they "make" people blow

themselves up.

[Nitty-Gritty]

46. You mean they trick them with promises that are nothing but lies?

There are always going to be a few martyr-wannabes, but most suicider bombers have been promised money to their family & drugs and virgins upon "Mission Accomplished".