Bush says fat Osama tape a 'devastating declaration of guilt'

[NNN0LHI]

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/12/14/ret.bin.laden.video/index.html?related



(CNN) -- President Bush scoffed Friday at any suggestion that the videotape of Osama bin Laden discussing the September 11 terrorist attacks might not be authentic.

"It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored," he said during a brief photo opportunity with the prime minister of Thailand. "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man."

Bush acknowledged he had mixed emotions about releasing it to the public.

"I was hesitant to allow there to be a vivid reminder of their loss and tragedy displaced on our TVs," he said. "On the other hand, I knew that the tape would be a devastating declaration of guilt for this evil person." snip

Officials said the approximately hour-long tape, dated November 9 and made in Kandahar, was found in a private residence in Jalalabad, although they haven't explained details of its discovery.

[Master Mahon]

1. I think that pictures was taken

before 'Big Bin' went on the 'Atkins diet' . :+

[Patchuli]

3. How can you tell?

He looks just like a black blob. I wouldn't even say for sure that it is OBL unless the tape's a lot clearer than that!

[Name removed]

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[WePurrsevere]

13. "Fat" Bin Laden pic lighter compare to other Bin Laden pics...

This is with just a quick tweaking in Adobe's PhotoDeluxe program. I'm sure someone with a better program/more time would be able to improve it even more.




I wonder why on earth the DOD hasn't done a bit of work on that horrible dark picture. It's easy enough to do with any photo/picture program.

[Occulus]

29. Why do the bottom two pics look like two men who look similar?

There's a guy in my area who was on the front page of our local some time back. I think he lives in Hastings, MI.

Dead ringer for Saddam. I'm just sayin'......

[WePurrsevere]

39. It is said that every one has at least one "twin" somewhere. My older

(adopted) brother is unfortunately close to being Osama Bin Laden's (certainly more then the "fat" one).

Immediately after 9-11 he was "attacked" on the way to the corner store by a very upset lady with a purse. A buddy of his then told him that if he didn't know him he'd swear he was Bin Laden. The "attack" and comment by his long time friend shook him up enough that he shaved off his beard and moustache and hasn't grown it back (& he LOVED that scraggy thing too).

[Bucky]

30. I'll tell you "Why on earth DOD hasn't done a bit of work on that picture"

I wonder why on earth the DOD hasn't done a bit of work on that horrible dark picture.

I think it's called "not tampering with evidence". Yes, they could "fix" the picture. But wouldn't the One-Big-Conspiracy theorists have a field day with that!

[WePurrsevere]

34. I suppose the tampering with evidence thing makes some sense but

I'm not sure that merely bringing up the light and adjusting the contrast would get too many "One-Big-Conspiracy theorists" panties in a bunch IF what was done it was fully disclosed. a) It doesn't change who (or who is not) is in that picture, it just makes it more visible and b) they've probably already figured that it's been, at the very least, doctored by the DOD/Gov. Let's face it... the majority of Americans will see what they're told to see... and if the picture remains (or they MIHOP ;) ) dark and blurry enough it would make it easier for them to be lead... if the gov were so inclined of course. ;).

[MissWaverly]

50. they don't because they want you to believe it is Osama

Osama is not on the FBI list because they say that there is not enough evidence to connect
him with 9-11, I have see clearer pictures of the "fat" Osama tapes, it is not Bin Laden,
the shape of the ear is distinctive and they do not match.

[WePurrsevere]

54. I actually agree with you.. it's not him. The ear and the check bones

are different among other slight, and not so slight, differences.

Since any observant person can see not only the rather obvious differences but also the more subtle ones either we have the most incompetent people in government OR, as you pointed out, they want people to think it's Osama.. or BOTH... I tend to think it's the last one.

[MissWaverly]

55. Human ears are unique to the individual

also fat Osama is wearing a gold ring and Osama who is a devout follower of Islam would
not wear a gold ring.

[WePurrsevere]

59. You're correct about the ears I believe and vaguely remember something

about the "fat" Osama wearing a gold ring and that not being something a strict follower of Islam would do.

[MissWaverly]

60. in one ear and out the other

sorry I couldn't resist:

Most of the above literature indicates that the variability between ears is that large that it might be possible that ears are unique, and moreover possibly uniquely distinguishable on a limited number of features or characteristics.

During the past decades in several countries, like The Netherlands, United Kingdom, West-Germany, Austria and the United States, already a substantial number of cases involving evidence based on ear prints and some isolated cases of video images of ears have appeared in court and in some cases accepted as evidence. We consider the aforementioned case, which our laboratory investigated, as one of these isolated cases. However, a formal validation of use of ear identification, being either ear prints or images of ears, has not taken place yet, to our knowledge.

http://forensic-evidence.com/site/ID/IDearCamera.html

Bit about jewelry is here
The Qur'an tells men that they should not wear silk or gold jewelry to show off their wealth.
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/Clothing/Islam_Clothing,_Jewelry_Ma.html

[WePurrsevere]

64. Hee hee you're bad. :-D .... BTW - I love info like this... thanks! n/t

B-)

[MissWaverly]

65. Interesting thing

Since GWB became prez facts have become debatable, we shouldn't be debating 9-11, we should know
the facts by now.

[WePurrsevere]

66. Totally agree, unfortunately there is still much that we don't know the

truth about and if BushCo could have their way... we probably never would... but I have faith that they won't be in power forever and eventually all that they want hidden will be revealed and in all it's brazen glory.

[MissWaverly]

67. well, I don't think their latest game will work

Israel has taken a lot of heat from DU in the last few weeks, I believe that this offensive
was a NEOCON special, signed, sealed and delivered. I have now read where Cheney approved
the idea last June. It's part of their ongoing plan to escalate us into a nuclear confrontation
with Iran. It doesn't matter what the Pentagon says, what our Congress says or what the people
say; they keep pushing for it. I only hope this offensive fizzles and the plan is once
again on hold.

[WePurrsevere]

72. I join you in that hope. People need to wake up to the fact that they're

PAWNS being USED by this cabal and it's NOT to further democracy.

[Bolo Boffin]

82. Look again.

[orleans]

70. i wonder why...maybe because they do not want us to really see

his "confession" video

[WePurrsevere]

73. Considering that there is another tape where he states clearly that he

did NOT have anything to do with 9-11 and experts on Osama have stated that THAT tape IS him... How many Americans have heard about THAT one? :grr:

[orleans]

83. exactly! n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

71. Try these pics:

[WePurrsevere]

75. How do you *know* that the lower pictures are of the same person in Pic D?

For that matter how do we know for sure that the lower pictures are Osama and that they haven't been doctored? What is the source for this composite of pics please?

As I have stated.. anyone with a decent photo program can fix pictures... and obviously from all the admittedly doctored pictures posted on DU almost if not everyday and some of which are extremely well done, it's not smart to always assume that a picture is totally "real" and not manipulated by a clever graphics artist.

What is real and what is not is not always easy to decipher.. more now then ever.

[Bolo Boffin]

81. The lower pictures are from the same video as the "fat" Osama.

They are all screen captures from the same video.

Lucky you have the "fix pictures" out - but I've never asked you to pony up admission to a 9/11 conference or tried to sell you a DVD, have I?

[pauldp]

77. No way in hell are they the same person.

Look at the distance from the top of the nostril to the eye. The fake Osama has a much shorter nose.
Any first year sculpture student would tell you that.

[Bolo Boffin]

80. Way in hell. n/t

[pauldp]

78. How about a little side by side comparison.

Noses are different lengths and cheekbones are different too.
Again doing what any sculpture teacher would have you do - draw some lines
on corresponding points. Notice the fake Osama on the left whose cheek
is intersected by the line. the same line drawn on the real Osama shows the cheek
above the line.

Fake Osama's nostril is higher because his nose is much shorter.

Not even close. We are being lied to about this bogus tape.

[Bolo Boffin]

79. Let's use two actual profiles in our side by side, shall we?

[pauldp]

85. Nope, sorry. Shows the same thing. A shorter nose.

The line is not on the top of the nostril for one thing. It is below the top, intersecting the nostril - you'll have to do better than that Bolo.
Aside from the poor line placement, you can also clearly notice the different shapes of the noses. Just look at the length of the bridge of the nose. The real Osama's is longer, more hooked and beak-like not to mention the bigger hairy upper lip on the fat Osama. Notice the tip of the real Osama's nose and how it hooks down an points in toward the upper lip.

Take another look at D and E. You think those noses are the same length?

Not even close.

[Bolo Boffin]

86. Uh-huh.

Since your post basically amounts to "nuh-uh"...

[pauldp]

87. So what about all the specific things I mentioned? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

88. They are bullshit.

Anyone can look at those pictures and see they are of the same man.

[pauldp]

89. Yeah anyone who might fail a first year art class.

This is pretty basic observation stuff.
First of all the line on the profile is from the TOP of the nostril to the
bottom of the ear opening.




Do it right and it shows the same thing - the line intersects the cheek and shows a shorter nose, fuller, higher cheek bones.

Now check out a line drawn parallel to the eyes resting on the top of the nostrils.
Which one has a lot more space between the line and the eyes?
The real Osama because his nose is longer. Same thing holds true for all the other photos.
Less distance between the eyes and the nostrils on the fake OBL.

[Grateful for Hope]

90. Very interesting

Am bookmarking this thread as I think it will come in handy in the future.

Thanks!

[greyl]

91. I'm aware of an award winning artist who knows

that your post doesn't show what you are saying it does.
Some analytical thinking about the source and integrity of the images needs to happen before one gets down to assigning meaning to any accurately measured or observed differences.

[mhatrw]

94. Con artist?

[mhatrw]

93. This is supposed to be "evidence" that these two are the same guy?

Let's do a simple test.



Do you also think the fruit on the left is the same as the fruit on the right?

[Patchuli]

2. Of course he scoffs...

it's not in HIS best interest for us to believe in LIHOP/MIHOP. Too bad you can't believe a word that slips from his mouth.

By the way, did anyone think to ask him why they closed down the Bin Laden force? Any answers from * as to why he gave up looking for OBL?

I didn't think so...

[eeltip]

16. They didn't stop looking for OBL.

They just want OBL to think they did.

[uppityperson]

17. Wow, so this was just a psych out to make him think he was off the hook?

March 2003 news conference. Bush was asked by Kelly Wallace of CNN why he so rarely mentioned bin Laden, and whether bin Laden was, in fact, dead or alive. Bush's answer: "Well, deep in my heart, I know the man is on the run if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

"Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network is -- his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I've mentioned in my speeches, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death, and he himself tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him."

[blonndee]

21. HA HA HA HA HA

And you would know this, how? :rofl:

[blonndee]

25. Hey eeltip, how come all your posts defend Bushco?

Except, of course, for the one in which you criticized Cindy Sheehan's purchase of land near Crawford, that is.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. and the Magic cheese thread in the lounge...

6 out of 8 ain't bad. :rofl:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

38. LOL.

Search is your friend! MKJ

:rofl:

[Patchuli]

27. What makes you say so?

Our charming pResident said he "doesn't think much about him" and "he doesn't spend much time" on OBL. If you are right, this just demonstrates how really inept these people are.

BTW, welcome to DU. :hi:

[Bucky]

31. Dammit, eeltip! Why would you say that when you know OBL reads DU!!

Now he's onto our Glorious War President's cunning plan to lure the terrorists into a false sense of security by, um, doing everything he can to validate their warnings of western imperial designs on the Middle East.

[kiki]

36. Funniest post I've read all day.

Thanks. :rofl:

[NMDemDist2]

41. yeah right, sure they are just sooooo sneaky

:eyes:

and BTW welcome to DU :hi:

[Marr]

43. You know, they say 29% of the population are rubes.

[wryter2000]

45. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[gully]

52. Can you explain why Bush said he wasn't concerned about him then?

eom

[elehhhhna]

4. Y'all know this means the tape is definately a fake.

[glitch]

40. Absolute proof. We long suspected, but if * vouches for it, it's a slam

dunk fake.

[whistle]

5. The link says December 14, 2001 Posted: 9:17 PM EST (0217 GMT)

[NNN0LHI]

8. Thats when this was

Back then everyone was too scared to question Dimbulb and his minions any further on this BS.

Don

[Fridays Child]

6. It wasn't "doctored." It was an outright fraud from start to finish.

And "...displaced on our TVs?" What a fucking moron.

[WePurrsevere]

14. It's either a fake or doctored & any person with even 1/4 a brain...

should be able to see that it's not the same man. Even looking at it with the thought in mind that maybe Bin Laden was suffering from edema due to kidney issues... it's still obviously not him.

[Lindacooks]

7. Oh please.

"I was hesitant to allow there to be a vivid reminder of their loss and tragedy displaced on our TVs...'

Yeah, right. Is that why you were selling autographed pictures of yourself 'working' on Air Force One during 9/11 to raise money?

Is that why you constantly evoke '9/11 9/11 9/11' whenever anyone questions your policies?

Is that why you use 9/11 in campaign ads?

God, I'm amazed that the chimp's head doesn't blow up with all the lies and self-implicating statements he's made.

[theanarch]

46. "I was hesitant to allow there...

...to be a vivid reminder of their loss and tragedy dispalced (sic) on our TV's..."...but then Mister Karl told me that only by waving the bloody shirt of 9/11 in the 'Murkin sheeple's faces 24/7 until election day is the only the GOP will retain control of both houses of Congres, and my sorry ass isn't impeached.

[MissWaverly]

61. Is that Mr. Karl who says voters are gullible and easily lead

oh, wait, he speaks republicanese; he means the Democrats think that or evil liberals or
Mary Poppins but not he although the words are coming out of his mouth. Funny, he must
be a medium.

[JAbuchan08]

9. I remember looking at what I presume is the same tape

of Osama declaring he was responsible for 9/11 along with a picture of Osama and saying to myself this is not the same guy. It was kind of shocking to realize this 5 years later, even though I've believed in LIHOP/MIHOP for quite some time now.

[Rex]

10. "It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored,"

Oh George, the whole world knows you had this tape doctored now that you said it wasn't. Honestly, can Bush get any dumber? Even if he tried really hard...

OBL? Whois that? You mean the guy you had the CIA GIVE UP ON FINDING? Or the guy that you wouldn't allow the FBI to investigate ie a crime scene?

Keep it up asshole, one day you will piss off enough law enforcement officials that one of the big ones will call you on 911 and the fake commission created to cover up your crimes.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Is what Bush was saying was either you believe him or your with OBL

Thats what he was doing. And it worked too. The media never said another word about this fat fecker that looked more like Fidel Castro than bin Laden.

Don

[Jara sang]

15. That ain't Bin Laden.

[AliceWonderland]

18. Why is it preposterous?

How does one come to that conclusion, that it is preposterous?

"It is preposterous for anyone to think ..." is not an argument. It's merely an emotional wish and an ad hominem attack.

What is preposterous is a media or public that does not question such things.

[Disturbed]

19. Questions

Busholini also said tha terrorist get on TV and make people question "this that, or the other". Questions are bad, ya know.

[Bluebear]

20. 'loss and tragedy displaced on our TVs,' Does he mean DISPLAYED?

George W. Bush you are a dim bulb.

[readmoreoften]

22. Stop being elitist, bluebear.

Just because that connecticut bred Yale boy can't speak the english language doesn't mean he's not smart. He just hasn't had all the opportunities that you've had, so don't make fun.

[Bluebear]

23. I realize.

Us elite liberals showing off our education again, using correct words. ;)

[marmar]

24. Yet another chart-topper from bin Laden....

How many of these tapes are sitting around Cheney's office?

[Me.]

26. Of Course OBL Is Fat

He doesn't have to run from cave to cave anymore since they closed down the OBL unit in the CIA. He's not getting the exercise he used to. Maybe shutting down the unit was B***'s crafty idea to let cholesterol get OBL.

[Rex]

28. Hey, I think you're on to something!

Cholesterol - the silent killer!

[MissWaverly]

62. You may get fat and have a different appearance

but your nose does not swell up, Osama Bin Laden has a long thin nose, fat Osama has a
short, bulbous nose, in fact to me, he does not like a Saudi at all. And there were tapes
of Osama after 9-11 that showed the same long thin nose.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. "but vowed that he would not escape" .........Mother Fucker.

God I hate shrubby.

[Toots]

35. So why haven't we caught him then?

Why haven't we "either bring him to justice or bring justice to him" It is almost five years later and nothing, Nada, zilch. Do Republican Promises mean absolutely nothing?

[ForrestGump]

37. It's the Maharishi

Obviously

[glitch]

42. He's right - that phony tape is a declaration of guilt. His own. nt

[gp]

44. if anyone wants to rewatch the tape, YouTube has the full video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpAB8vn5VXo

[The Count]

47. Wasn't there an FBI bulletin saying OBL is no longer "WANTED" as proof

of his guilt was circumstantial?

[mom cat]

49. They said they had no evidence linking Osama to 9-11. ... NONE!

[robbedvoter]

48. OK, I'll buy it. But in that case, dear W,.....

[gully]

51. Then why did Bush say "I truly am not that concerned about him"

him, being Osama.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101504W.shtml

:eyes:

[Mnemosyne]

69. * would see OBL at dinner that night,

no need to be concerned.

:evilgrin:, I think.

[peanutbrittle]

53. Professor Bruce Lawrence, Duke University’s Religious Studies Dept

Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes
Kevin Barrett



snip

The top American Bin Laden expert agrees. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies Department, has just finished a book of translations of Bin Laden’s speeches. He says the recent tape is a fake and that Bin Laden has been dead for years. (ABC 2004).

Ersatz Bin Laden tapes “verified” by the CIA are nothing new. Every Bin Laden statement since 2001 has been blatantly bogus. The last we heard from the real Bin Laden were the following words recorded by Pakistani journalists: “I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation . . . I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks on the United States . . . I had no knowledge of these attacks. . .” (Wiki 2004)

more >>>http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm

[WePurrsevere]

56. Although I'm not familiar with this person or website, it's an interesting

article from an interesting site. B-)

[lala_rawraw]

57. Oh my, if it is proof of guilt, then why don't you think about him much?

[lonestarnot]

58. Oh well now isn't that funny. Bushitler has been more of an Osama

supporter than anyone on the planet. I can think of no other who has done more for his cause than bushitler and dishonorable shoot'eminthefacedick unless it would be redrummy.

[MissWaverly]

63. Yes and the virtual Osama sure has helped George out

I hear that the CIA verifies that the Osama tape helped him win the 2004 election.

[Grateful for Hope]

68. I heard the same thing

and, I am sure it did. Hopefully, people have learned their lessons.

[drdtroit]

74. What is truly "preposterous"

is the free ride the media has given this cabal of world criminals who now are holding the U.S. and it's Constitution hostage.
:patriot:

[Sinti]

76. Usama is left-handed, according to the CIA fact book.

Fat Osama writes w/ his right hand in this video. It's a very poorly constructed re-enactment of an imaginary meeting.

[Grateful for Hope]

84. This is good info, Sinti!

And, much easier to prove than whether or not photos have been doctored.

Thanks!

[Sinti]

92. You're welcome ;)

I feel that they're thumbing their noses at us and laughing at our willingness to remain ignorant when I see things like this. Some divine day justice will find them, if not in this life certainly in the next.