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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-04-06 09:05 PM Original message |
The Smoking Gun - Sept. 11th Plane Impact Time Discrepancies |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-04-06 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Accuracy |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-04-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. At your request, I'm here. My opinion: |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I guess my main question has to do with radar coverage at low altitudes. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. RADAR is a line-of-sight tool. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Yes, it does help. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. The Precision Times Are Reliable |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Well, well... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. This is indeed an anomaly... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Baloney |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
66. Deleted message |
wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. so who's data do you ... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Eh? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. FYI Pal, |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:57 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I'm not your "pal" ~ talk to your CTer buddies about |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Not 14 days on 9/11... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #85 |
103. What a waste of time. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. wildbill, they can't debunk this one... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I'll believe it when evidence presented shows that it is true. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Facts (no theory here) |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
133. Your theory from the original post: |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
143. I don't have to prove it is accurate.. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:47 PM Response to Reply #143 |
157. You're right, you don't have to |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. You are acting in a monotone... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. Monotone? I think not. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
104. For 14 or 17 seconds, we are talking about the 9/11 Commission |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #104 |
132. What was the exact location of the last radar return for UA175? ( n/t ) |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
102. 500 mph is 733 feet per second. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 03:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
206. But what do you make of the eyewitnesses |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
101. So you guys make errors of over 2 miles all the time, right? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What does the flight recorder data that was just released |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 05:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Wasn't that for AA77? I don't know that the WTC plane data was recovered. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It is easily provable or disprovable whether |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. So why is there only one seismic event per building? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Do you have evidence to suggest that there is only one seismic |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Well, yeah...the LDEO link in the original post... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes, I saw that l later on another thread from the same |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Like I said, I don't know much about the physics of seismology. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. What makes you so sure a seismic event would occur with the plane hitting? |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. If you intend to prove that this theory is correct, ... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I do not. Lamont-Doherty got their times right, but they... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. That is interesting, indeed. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. How did Dr. Kim respond to my question? |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 04:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. so.... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Actually, you're wrong because |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Huh? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. The emails are in one of these...you go find it... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Hey, if you don't want to make it clear, I don't really care. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Sometimes you have to shout to... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
107. Bullshit. Why does he have to prove that? |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #107 |
131. He only has to if he wants people to believe his theory is correct. ( nt ) |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #131 |
144. This is no theory...just factual, proven data. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Hey thanks quick! |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Your welcome, wildbill...I sure like your handle... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. This is fantastic news and should not be confined to the dungeon. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Thanks, wildbill |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
108. Yes, they do according to Terry Wallace, the foremost forensic |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Planes hitting the buildings.... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Could you please post the calculations that claim is based on? ( n/t ) |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. No need for calculations because of the logic surrounding your question. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. The other possibility is that the impact times are not accurate. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Rubbish. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
135. Note the use of the word 'approximately' in these reports: |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. Yes, do notice that the time given in the second report is... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #145 |
175. Approximately precise. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
110. So the Commission looked at all the available NYC ATC evidence |
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jwtravel (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
182. No need for calculations?? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. You support your theory with your calculations; I deal in facts... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #182 |
195. Why don't you provide some evidence of this happening in the past? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
109. Could you please explain why you believe that planes hitting giant |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
134. Try here: |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #134 |
142. That's not a reason. It's an assumption. (nt) |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #142 |
178. Did you verify the arrival times calculated by LDEO? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. The LDEO seismologists verified this in their margin of error. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #181 |
185. Are you assuming they are correct, or did you verify their calculations?nt |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #185 |
192. You are wasting time, make7...you are a joke of a debater.. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #185 |
197. Terry Wallace verified their calculations. He said he examined |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #197 |
201. Are you referring to Dr. Terry C. Wallace? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Dr. Wallace is a bright guy, but... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #203 |
205. Thanks, I didn't even think to double check. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #201 |
211. First, you know and I know that the reason both Wallace & Kim said |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 03:51 AM Response to Reply #211 |
229. I think you are assuming again. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 04:04 AM Response to Reply #185 |
207. I thought you IncompetencyTheorists liked authority figures... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. See, when it comes to propping up the official theory, |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #212 |
219. On the other hand: |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. Wrong. I most assuredly question these times. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #221 |
226. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. No, they are advertising they know nothing about this;... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #178 |
190. No, but LDEO did. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #134 |
146. You're rehashing what took place on the other thread... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #146 |
164. So, you think they got the labelling wrong but you're sure they got the |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. Yes, and this makes perfect sense. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'm gonna have to call "bullshit" on that statement. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. And your bullshit call is based upon what? Try some logic instead. |
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Artdyst (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
57. Do you have ANY support for your interest in "bullshit"? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Not enough energy? What about momentum. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Pardon me, but what is your point? |
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Artdyst (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. What would YOU do if faced with such information? Distract? Divert? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
111. If you have any evidence whatsoever that planes impacting |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
105. Why? The plane hits didn't register. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Then prove how accurate the 9/11 Commission Report times are. ( n/t ) |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I wouldn't attempt to prove anything until I had enough data. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The original post has "The Smoking Gun" in the title. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I agree it premature to call it a smoking gun, yet it certainly holds the |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Hmm...create the thread and then... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
156. Easy there, quicknthedead... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Hardly...but he did do a favor for those who want... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
167. "both of you are shills" |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
51. John Q, this isn't speculation. The facts have to have an ... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
91. I understand your excitement and I am pulling for you, honest I am. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. No, that is not my hypothesis...I don't have an hypothesis.. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
50. No way, Jose |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Why don't you simply write a post outlining the evidence that you have... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. This is not theory. These are facts that simply must be explained. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #62 |
88. RE: "We're all ears." |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. You have avoided the question... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
138. Did you answer my questions in post #59? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #138 |
147. Yes, I did...It's the #0 Post, the one you put up, the one with all... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #147 |
176. My questions from Post #59 were: |
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Artdyst (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #62 |
89. Do you know about disinformation - how to use it & spread it around? EOM |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Good question. His theory may be nothing more than disinformation. ( n/t ) |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Sorry, no theory here... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #96 |
139. Did I not mention that I think the times you are using are not accurate?nt |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. Yes, you did, and I asked you to substantiate your claim.. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #148 |
177. Please read this: |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
113. Wishful thinking. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
137. RE: disinformation |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #137 |
150. You do not make any sense here at all. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #137 |
151. More wishful thinking. At minimum, this is a glaring inconsistency |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #151 |
179. The paper does much more than point out the difference in impact times. nt |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
112. The LDEO paper made its margin of error explicit. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 02:15 AM Response to Reply #112 |
202. After. ( n/t ) |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. Yes, after. Which is even weirder. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. What was the exact location of the last radar return for UA175? ( n/t ) |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Why is that even critical? The 9/11 Commission had access to |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. From the 911 Commission report: |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. You are simply assuming that the NTSB reports are based on radar data only |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. Have you not been paying attention? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Great. So why don't these reports include the information you are |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Would I be requesting the information if it was in those reports? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #225 |
227. The "theory" may be "unproven." |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Should I take that as an invitation to your 'Occam's Razor' thread? ( nt ) |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #227 |
234. And they've never addressed the eyewitnesses... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #225 |
233. Cant' be substantiated because it doesn't meet the high... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #224 |
232. The Commission dismissed the NTSB time of impact;... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #223 |
231. Try and keep up yourself... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #222 |
230. The 9/11 Commission based their UA 175 impact time of 9:03:11... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Way to go, John Q.! |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. It is accurate to the second. It's a given in this technology. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
140. Did your friend get back to you yet? ( n/t ) |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
152. No, not yet. His is a corporate jet pilot and this takes him away.. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. I tend to lean towards the 9/11 report times |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 08:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. 93 was also a different kind of impact |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Time data is inferred |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
64. Inferred, computed, calculated, same thing... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
115. The main station (SSPA) that picked up the imputed 10:06:03 |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Thanks, Mad Hatter! |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. The WTC foundation was anchored to bedrock |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
149. Could be. That gives it a slim possibility. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
155. Actually, just the tenuous thought that planes could cause... |
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Artdyst (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:10 PM Response to Reply #155 |
165. It's obvious what caused the spikes, and it sure as H-- wasn't airplanes. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Thanks, Artdyst |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #149 |
172. typically register as seismic events ? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. Many planes have run into tall bulidings before. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. You're a bit premature |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #187 |
196. But that wouldn't happen in basement expolsion coupled to the frame? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #127 |
154. Yes, we know the spikes happened. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. You are right about the 17 seconds disparity (not 15)... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
114. The LCSN station that picked up these spikes is just 21 miles away |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Yes! |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-05-06 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. Question regarding alleged multiple detonation of towers |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. I'm sorry. Please restate your question because I'm not sure.. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
25. Possible video evidence? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
70. Good question, but you don't want to go there...here'e why... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. So the TV broadcasts and the seismic data agree... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #82 |
97. You have not read the NIST report that I provided the link to.. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. The times are not accurate. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
98. You are either a shill or you don't understand statistics... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
106. Please read section E.3 again, you may be misinterpreting its meaning. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 06:14 AM Response to Reply #106 |
116. The question is, "Why did NIST choose these times?" |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Yes and no... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. RE: "THERE IT IS, MAKE7 ..." |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #130 |
153. You're not aware of anything. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #122 |
186. Again, 9:02:54 was chosen. It was assumed. It was merely a convenience. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #106 |
119. You are either totally ignorant or a shill... |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. NIST does say that the actual time of the second impact was 9:02:59. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #125 |
158. They had a database for all their ... |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 06:51 AM Response to Reply #158 |
170. The crux is to understand why they decided to make that adjustment. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. For the third and last time,... |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. E.3 is consistent with my statements, not with yours. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #180 |
193. Sorry, you and NIST are standing on quicksand... |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 04:40 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Alright, let's analyze the facts as we know them. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #194 |
235. What you need are better reading skills. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-17-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #235 |
238. His reading skills are fine... |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-17-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. I just want to clarify something in your post |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-17-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #239 |
241. Thanks for this useful clarification. n/t |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #170 |
198. Why did they decide that video evidence was better than seismic evidence? |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 05:37 AM Response to Reply #198 |
208. Yes, those are my questions too. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. Neither the 9/11 Commission nor NIST actually explain how they |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-17-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #214 |
240. Actually the NIST report does explain how they arrived at their time. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #208 |
236. Oh, your hot air does get around this thread...so here it is again |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #119 |
129. Or perhaps you have misinterpreted that section. Please re-read it. nt |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. I can understand that... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
71. Shoot, wildbill, I'm all over this thread! |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
48. Great analysis!. It raises an interesting question: |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 01:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. daily... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-10-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Yes, RC makes a lot of sense. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. that's a great question , daily... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Thank you again, wildbill... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Physical evidence is the key, undoubtably. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. You're so right, John Q. BTW, here is the latest refinement... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Perhaps it was in preparation for the controlled demolition... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. This is exactly why we need a new, real investigation... |
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mrgerbik (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 10:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
200. I've always leaned towards the RC theory. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
72. I don't know. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. quick... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. As I wrote a few minutes ago, wild bill... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. yes thanks quick... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-11-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. quicknthedead... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
100. That's great wildbill but... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
141. quick... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #141 |
161. thanks, wildbill, I'll give it another shot... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #141 |
162. I see it now, wb...& now you know why I need glasses...thx! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
117. Commission times are not likely to be exact |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 08:08 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Regarding radar signal timing... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. No need to go further with this line of thought... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #124 |
136. Actually... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #136 |
163. I will admit you are a dutiful shill, make7... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #163 |
171. . |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Sorry, Charlie, |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
126. Flight Study Path 11 and 175 Report |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Just to reiterate, from the 911 Commission Report: |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-12-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #128 |
168. You bring up a good question, so I will do you one more last... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. Ummm.... I just posted that information from the 911 Commission Report. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-13-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #174 |
188. Yes, that is an error on the lookup time in the Vanity Fair article. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #188 |
204. Okay. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-14-06 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
199. Watch and listen to Willie Rodriguez... |
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QuettaKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #199 |
216. I wished things like this could last |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
209. United 175 (second impact) never turned off its transponder? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-16-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #209 |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
210. F-15s were 71 miles away at second impact and their radar data was used |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-15-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
215. Can I request... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-17-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
242. Let me get this straight |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
243. too |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
244. I just noticed this theory is now on the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #244 |
245. Excellent Make7... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #245 |
246. This will lead nowhere... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 02:25 AM Response to Reply #246 |
247. debunked in this very thread eh? |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 03:22 AM Response to Reply #247 |
248. I'll provide a summary tomorrow. Now, concerning your other worries... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #248 |
259. See messages #249 and #251 |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
249. Interesting new information regarding the radar data. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 08:30 AM Response to Reply #249 |
250. That is a reasonable question. It only highlights the possibility |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
251. Additional information regarding the seismic data. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #251 |
252. What broadcast videos caught the first impact? n/t |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #252 |
253. There were no broadcast videos of the first impact. ( n/t ) |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #253 |
254. NIST seems to claim there were. What's with that? n/t |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. I think you are mistaken. Could you show me where they say that? ( n/t ) |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. From your post #251 |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #256 |
257. They used a relative timeline for other events based on the 2nd impact. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-26-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #251 |
258. Do you have a link for that? The original times are still posted at LDEO. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #251 |
260. Make7, I'm interested in the "more recent calculations.' Do you have a |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
261. Clock sync? |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #261 |
262. These are probably the three posts you should read: |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. Just cleaning up old business to show these times are real... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #263 |
265. Interesting...some letters in my post were deleted?... |
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G Hawes (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. You're saying your post was altered by DU? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:24 AM Response to Reply #266 |
267. You're funny. |
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G Hawes (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:24 AM Response to Reply #267 |
268. You're funnier. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #265 |
272. It looks like you are a victim of using brackets in your text. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
264. Lest anyone forgets the rules of logic and debate... |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
269. Quicknthedead, You have done great work . . . |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. Thanks, Klimmer...actually the 2nd version IS at the st911 journal. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. I agree with your post, except the part about having so many OCTers |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
273. .... |
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