Franken just blew off 9/11, Bush/Nazi theorists

[LSK]

"Hitler didnt commit suicide, he stayed with the Bushes and then flew the planes..."

Wake the fuck up Al!!!

Time to tune into Hartman.

[Connie_Corleone]

1. I only listen to Franken because of his guests.

I usually skip the first hour because it's mostly just him.

[Vincardog]

2. Al is too damn busy running for office to be on AAR. We don't need no

stinkin republiCANT lite DINOS

[Swamp Rat]

3. It's not 'theory' as he claims.

Where's Octafish?

[bryant69]

17. If it's not a theory, what exactly is it?

A Conundrum? A pile of crap? The Truth?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Swamp Rat]

30. Look up Prescott Bush, Brown Brothers Harriman, F. Thyssen, Adolf Hitler

Union Bank and the 1945 Senate hearings that discovered Prescott Bush had indeed traded with the Nazi Regime (German Steel):

50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
35% of Nazi Germany's explosives

Hint: See the Vesting Order Number 248 (signed by President Roosevelt) seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942.

You should know about all of this by now bryant69. I have no time for this.

[bryant69]

33. Does that prove that George W. Bush is a Nazi?

[Swamp Rat]

37. Apparently you do not care to know the truth.

There is no way you could have looked up the names and read the official government documents in the few seconds it took you to reply.

Good luck. :hi:

[bryant69]

44. Or, possibly, I was already aware of that

And didn't feel the need to read a bunch of documents to confirm what I already know.

[LSK]

40. no, but is a reasonable conversation of where hes from relevant?

Yes.

But some just want you to shut up about such things for some reason.

[bryant69]

46. So do you believe Bush's family nazi past explains why he

blew up the world trade center, killing thousands (or allowed it to be blown up)?

Bryant

[LSK]

48. this thread is a red herring flame fest

1. Where did I say Bush blew up the WTC?

2. Where did I say his family past made him blow up the WTC?


Its responses like yours from people with BLINDERS on that completely ruins the debate.

I have no idea about 1 or 2, but I do not believe the official story either. I see KNOWLEDGE because I do not take the official story as the TRUTH.

Im sorry you feel differently.

[bryant69]

49. I'm sorry to ruin the debate

I will return to my previous policy of not engaging conspiracy theorists (a policy I rarely follow I must admit, but I will try harder in the future).

[LSK]

51. nevermind

[bryant69]

52. Just the way I am I suppose

It's hard for me to accept things without proof.

Let me be clear - I know that the Bush family, like the Kennedies, had dealings with the Nazis. I'm not sure I've ever questioned that, but if I've given that implication I apologize. The question is what precisely does that have to do with the current George W. Bush.

[LSK]

53. what proof is there of the official 9/11 story?

Why do you accept that?

[bryant69]

55. Oh, are we going to talk about that now?

I thought you wanted to keep this on Nazis and Prescott Bush. Any thing else was, if memory serves, a "red herring."

I suppose I largely accept the official 9/11 story because I find it more believable than anything else - by definition what happened on September 11 was astounding - any explanation for it would be hard to believe.

If it suits you, however, to believe me a gullible closed-minded dupe, I won't hold that against you.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

58. it's easier than thinking and you don't stick out in the herd

[uppityperson]

4. What?

[earth mom]

5. Franken's a reTHUG?

Yeah, I knew that but people around here didn't want to hear it.

[zbdent]

6. Well, Prescott Bush did have financial dealings with Hitler

[NYCGirl]

12. So did Joe Kennedy. So what's the point? NT

[rinsd]

14. There is no point. Tin foilers are mad that Franken made fun of them.

So in addition to being reality challenged, they seem to be humorless.

[NYCGirl]

16. Hey, who said that liberals have no sense of humor!

:hi:

[zbdent]

29. The only point that I was trying to make was that

it wouldn't be so far-fetched to think that Bush helped Hitler hide out (if he was still alive).

However, I had, in my hands yesterday, an almanac which reported (as a fact, for what it's worth) that Hitler's pilot verified that the body was his ...

So, I believe that Hitler committed suicide. There are plenty of other things I can hang a tinfoil hat on, but Hitler's "suicide" isn't one of them.

On 9/11, I believe that Bush/company LIHOP, but I don't believe that the MIHOP.

I believe that the WTC towers were not destroyed by our guys ... something that hit me today as proof that it would be completely realistic that the jet fuel heated enough on the steel that it would bend. My evidence? Remember all those pictures of railroad tracks that bent in the heat? Well, I don't think that it gets hot enough in the desert to actually melt steel, but heat expands things (like steel) and the pressure of expanding steel against itself has to do something, right? So the steel in the rail bends, even in heat which would not "melt steel" ...

[Imagine My Surprise]

7. Long before I knew what a DINO was...

I knew I didn't trust grandstanders like Franken.

[TheWatcher]

8. Like I have said in the past, people really need to wake up about Franken

It's one thing for him to dismiss the 9/11 Theories and embrace the Official Story, It's bad enough for him to completely ignore and deny all the Election Theft Evidence from 2000, 2002, and 2004, but if he is going to deny there was any connection between the Bush Family and the Nazi's, then he has completely lost all credibility.

There is plenty of historical fact of Prescott Bush's financial dealings with the Nazis. It isn't some made up theory, it's fact. Period. From what I have read, it even got to the point FDR HIMSELF had to tell Prescott to cut it the fuck out before he finally stopped. At least OPENLY.

Hopefully Octafish will post in this thread and cast a light on this.

I think Al is a brilliant comedian and I have always enjoyed his comedy, but when it comes to politics, I'm sorry, Al continues to be on the wrong side of the most key issues facing us today.

I wish he would just get the Hell out of the way and let Hartman, Randi, Sam, and Mike do the job of informing the people of what is really going on.

Because he either doesn't have a clue, or he is willfully ignoring it.

[bryant69]

20. The Hitler-Bush connections is a key issue facing us today?

I would think it would be a key issue facing 1942.

Shows what I know, I guess.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Vincardog]

56. bryant69 don't you think the little prince's unconstitutional power grab

is a key issue facing us today?
Do you think that the disintegration of our constitutional form of government
is a key issue facing us today?
Do you think that illegal unconstitutional spying by the NSA
is a key issue facing us today?
Do you believe that allowing the (p)Resident to declare you or me an "enemy combatant" and held without charges or representation
is a key issue facing us today
?

I DO.

[flyarm]

31. i say :willfully ignoring it...thats my vote and my experience with him! n

[norml]

9. Attention AAR! My show is better. Fire him. Hire me.

I'm on Friday 2:00 am - 3:00 am

The Servative Show with Brian Mary. An hour of political commentary, 2 am to 3 am. Your calls welcome. Email Brian at [e-mail].


Can be listened to online at this address.

http://www.kzum.org/

[jean]

10. he was joking, using sarcasm, in his inherently comedic way

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. That's one of the tactics the OCTers use

Discredit anyone who dares to question the official CT.

[NYCGirl]

15. It's also one of the tactics that comedians use. They can't help it. NT

[jean]

61. before you come to a final judgment, listen to him yourself

on the archived show, when it becomes available.

[davidwparker]

13. I stream Hartmann. I only listen to Al now if I'm awake for the XM repeat

of his show.

[blm]

18. Franken is thick with the Clintons so he blows off the antiBush facts in

the same way they do. It's like they KNOW what goes on but think THEY can manage it better by keeping it secret from the American people.

I love Al, but he can be TOO cautious about repeating historic facts if the Clintons aren't on board.

[porphyrian]

19. Franken's a moderate, what do you want?

Especially now that he's a politician, he's not going to stray from the accepted mainstream much at all.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

21. How 'bout an honest progressive...

..."accepted mainstream?" that wouldn't be anything like Neocon fiction, would it?

[porphyrian]

23. Well, very close, yes.

Frankin isn't, never was, and likely never will be "progressive," except in the sense that anything unlike the republican agenda, which is patently regressive, is progress. He's a moderate, folks. If he seems lefty, it's because that's how far the bar's been pulled to the right.

[NYCGirl]

25. How do you explain his involvement with Wellstone Action, then?

And that Paul Wellstone was his friend and political mentor?

[porphyrian]

32. I didn't say he was a dick or a fascist.

However, compared to other Democrats, he isn't as much of a lefty as he is a moderate. He has republican friends, too. That doesn't make him a right-winger. How do you explain his stance on things if I'm wrong?

[bryant69]

26. What total crap

I try to have a sense of humor about the MIHOP faithful, but come on. You haven't convinced anybody but yourselves. Most people don't believe that President Bush caused 9/11 to happen (either through action or inaction). You guys have failed to make your case (in my opinion because there's no case to be made).

So to attack people for not supporting the MIHOP as believers in Neo-Conservative just shows the intellectual vacancy of the MIHOP faithful.

Bryant

[Swamp Rat]

34. Instead of ad hominem, why don't you look at post #30?

Knowledge is power.

[NYCGirl]

36. Using that criteria, it would make JFK, RFK and Ted Kennedy nazis too,

since Joe Kennedy also traded with them and was a notorious anti-semite.

[Swamp Rat]

38. red herring

:hi:

[NYCGirl]

39. So what proves that GW Bush is a nazi? NT

[LSK]

41. another red herring

The point here is lets have a discussion of the historical record and let people make up their own mind.

Instead thou its red herring city and make silly jokes about it.

[NYCGirl]

43. Why do you think he's a nazi? Because his grandfather did business with

them?

[LSK]

50. show me where in this thread where I said he was a nazi

My only point is to look at his past as only PART of the debate on whether he is or not.

But no, lets fucking red herring some more.

:banghead: :banghead:

[NYCGirl]

54. Then what the hell is the point of bringing up Prescott Bush?

Yeah, we know he did business with the nazis. So did Joe Kennedy. So what significance does that have?

[bryant69]

47. Here's the plan

Sit around, say knowingly, "You know President Bush's grandpa was a hell of a nazi. Hell of a nazi. Supported them through the war. Sure says a lot about President Bush doesn't it?"

"Yeah but what does it say? I mean what does the fact that his grandfather was a nazi say?"

"That's a red herring question. The point isn't to come to any conclusion, but merely to present the information (that George W. Bush has strong Nazi connections in his family history) and let people make up their own mind."

"OK, but what do you think it means?"

"Sorry, I can't say, because taking the step of actually saying what this implies would wound your own search for the truth. So I can't say."

[Swamp Rat]

42. He is the Anti-Christ

Jeebus told me so. :hi:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

45. I didn't attack anyone for not supporting MIHOP...

...perhaps you meant to respond to another post.

[Rex]

22. He's just mad because all the intricacies of 911 allude him.

So he makes a stupid joke to hide his ignorance. Ain't the first person to do it and won't be the last. Typical, IMO.

[NYCGirl]

24. Great mind reading there, Rex. NT

[Rex]

62. Hey I like Al, (both) but he is a comedian not a historian or a 911expert.

People shouldn't expect him to know all the little tid-bits that some of us here at DU know (think Octafish). What he did was typical, doesn't mean anything because people do it all the time.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Yup.

Not like the truth-seekers.

[flyarm]

64. seems to me you don't care about any TRUTH about 9/11

so just why are you here??

and just what is your point?? to slow down info?????????

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

fly

[flyarm]

28. i hate frankin!! first of all he stinks..second he is a ass wipe!

he is boring and he stinks ..to high heaven!

i have xm throughout my entire house..and i will not turn air america on until he goes off air!

i can not stand this asswipe!

i met him at the dem convention and i carried copies of Jeb's Executive order for the start of martial law signed by jeb sept 7th 2001..i told him i flew
( as crew member 33 yrs based in NY) for one of the airlines involved on 9/11 and i asked him to please look into it..and please report it..he laughed in my face..and i was a Fla Delegate..he laughed in my face on the floor of the democratic convention..as he put his arm around me for a photo opp..i took his arm off me immediately..and i told him he is a fraud..

fly

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

35. Yup.

He doesn't agree with you, so he's a fraud. Thanks for clearing that up.

[flyarm]

63. he is a fraud because he doesn't even attempt to look into anything!

and he never looks into anything!!

It has nothing to do with if he does or doesn't agree with me.. that is your supposition!!

I merely asked him to look into some details that have been ignored!

and he would not even consider looking into anything..and he said so !

fly


oh and P.S. i never told him what my professional opinion was, as a 33 yr flight crew for one of the airlines involved NY based 2001 flt attend of the year from my airline NY base..

[reprehensor]

57. AL's an Election Fraud denier too.

Lame.

[pauldp]

60. Yep. He's doing a great job on the gate keeping.

Never talks about Diebold, The Conyers Report, HR550, Proprietary Source Code,
NONE OF IT. A HUGE issue central to our democracy and he ignores it.

He worked for GE for years so he knows how to be irreverent without ruffling too many feathers
or jeapordizing his job.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

59. he's an entertainer; if you want accuracy.. read

[salvorhardin]

65. Just don't read Stephen Jones. n/t

[pauldp]

66. Yeah read some foreign press occasionally. Like the times of India maybe.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=107432
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

I'll bet you Al never talked about this.

[greyl]

67. The Truth, With Jokes

It amazes how some people are fair weather fans of damn good vocal Democrats just because one pet issue isn't covered to their satisfaction.

BuzzFlash.com's Review (excerpt)
Although all his recent books have been political, "The Truth" is probably his most frontal attack on Bushevism to date. On page 193, for instance, he states unequivocally, "Bush is lucky that he had a Republican Congress, or he almost certainly would have been impeached and imprisoned." (There's also a phony blotter of LSD on the page, which Franken claims is the only way you could possibly understand Bush's contorted, deceptive, changing Social Security policy.)

And Franken means it. While the subtitle of the book notes "with jokes," this is a rather robust broadside about how Bushevism is destroying our nation and threatening world peace. Being Franken, wry humor emerges at times, but Franken is clearly, as listeners of his Air America show know, truly baffled by how Bush and his cabal are getting away with highway robbery, death and economic destruction, not to mention the shredding of our Constitution.
http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/162

[leftofthedial]

68. Franken is one of the biggest disappointments of the last five years

he's pathetic

and the weird thing is, he stopped being funny at the same time he stopped saying anything edgy (meaningful)

[XemaSab]

69. Damn straight!