Are Nixon/Kissinger/GHWBush responsible for HIV/AIDS?

[kilgore65]

I am reading an incredibly interesting book that came out back in 1996, Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional, whose author, Leonard Horowitz, articulates a theory that HIV/AIDS was intentionally developed by the US Government as a bio-weapon to achieve global depopulation goals. This 574 page incredibly well researched volume (available at amazon.com) is extremely convincing to me. The development of the "US Special Cancer Virus Program in the late 60s and early 70s is meticulously detailed. It is interesting to note that GHWB's tenure as CIA director occurred immediately prior to the appearance of AIDS among NYC homosexual men and Central African blacks in 1978-79. I'm wondering if others have read this book or are familiar with the theory? If true, it makes the US Republican power structure, in particular the Bush Crime Family, the worst mass murderers in human history - far surpassing Hitler, Stalin and Mao. When is the world going to wake up to the sheer evil that the Bush Crime Family represents.

[JackBeck]

1. Does the book address the fact that HIV has been traced back

as far as the 1930's?

[hlthe2b]

3. Lordy...not a new Lenny Horowitz convert....

This so-called infectious disease "expert" has made bundles preying on concerned parents to hold seminars urging them not to vaccinate their children--with himself starring in a seminar full of half-truths, or non-truths. Of course, once he gets them really concerned, there is always a table of his books for sale to add to the "proceeds."

Google this guy, please! There are those who believe he is nothing more than a charleton, liar, cheat, and worse. So that I don't end up (as have many who take on these guys) having to pay for a lawyer against his threats, I'l leave it at that...:eyes:


As for culpability on worldwide spread of AIDs, how could anyone possible not be pointing to "st. Ronald Reagan," who chose to ignore it, not to fund or support action against it--only to pander to ther RW fundie extremists. He should be rotting in hell for that, if there is justice...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. but Reagan did his best to halt the spread...

:sarcasm:

can't leave him outta the bunch.

[blm]

4. You need to edit your post. The portion about due punishment isn't allowed

on this forum.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. That last sentence of his is going to result in shutting down this thread.

[blm]

8. Fortunately, he editted it. Smart move and thanks for being prompt.

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[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Let's assume that it was devised by our government...

How could they have missed the potential cross-over into the "good" populations through blood transfusions? No way would they have overlooked it intentionally.

[JackBeck]

7. How can the government develop a virus

that attacks CD4 cells, when CD4 cells weren't discovered by scientists until the 1970's?

[Laughing Mirror]

9. CD4 cells discovered in the 1970s?

What a coincidence. At the end of that decade the first murmurings of what we called the "amoeba," and which was later named AIDS, began to appear among some of my friends in New York, gay boys, none of them alive today.

[JackBeck]

10. The earliest, established case of HIV dates back to 1959.

Most in the field have found evidence that HIV could have been around a lot longer, possibly since the 1930's.

I'm sorry for your loss, I can't imagine what it must of been like to see this virus start to wipe out friends and family. I just can't get behind this government conspiracy when it comes to HIV/AIDS, when the facts tell us otherwise.

[Laughing Mirror]

11. Yes I've heard about those dates too

That the virus had been kicking around for decades. But the epidemic did not begin among gay men, Haitians, Africans, until the late 70s, early 80s, so for all intents and purposes, that it is when AIDS as we know it began.

[JackBeck]

12. Fine, then you would also agree that the government didn't

manufacture HIV, the virus that may lead to an AIDS diagnosis, right?

[Laughing Mirror]

13. I have no idea

But I do remember that a lot of boys who were coming down with the amoeba were the among the boys who had gone and got the new Hepatitis vaccine that was being pushed on them by doctors and public health clinics, etc. When people started getting sick there seemed to be a link from the vaccine to the strange symptoms everybody was coming down with, symptoms that were not clearing up, or were disappearing and then coming back. Hepatitis, you might remember, was the primary health problem in the gay community in those days, and when this new vaccine came out everybody who had not had Hepatitis was urged to get it. Later we were told that the vaccine had been manufactured (again by coincidence?) in Africa, of all places.

Could that vaccine have been the conduit that brought AIDS to gay men in the US?

[Sapphocrat]

14. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

Too bad most people are completely unaware of the Hep-C vaccinations and the new mystery "gay cancer" (remember "GRID"?).

For me, the jury is out on whether or not AIDS was a bio-weapon and gay men the guinea pigs -- but when one takes into account the atrocities "we" have inflicted on our own people in the name of "science" (e.g., the Tuskegee syphilis experiment; the secret chemical sprays over San Francisco and other cities), it's difficult to state with any degree of confidence that AIDS couldn't have been just another "controlled" experiment... that went completely out of control. (And what better "test group" than gay men? You get to kill them off and demonize them, simultaneously!)

One thing I'm 99.9% sure of: There was no "Patient Zero."

[Laughing Mirror]

16. It's not hard to imagine the Tuskegee Experiment would have gone on longer

than the decades it did, had the Washington Star not blown the whistle in an exposé in 1972.

For those who don't remember, the horrific Tuskegee experiment, practiced for decades on poor rural African-Americans, denying them treatment for syphilis long after there was a cure, allowing them to pass the dangerous if untreated disease onto others, was carried out all that time with the full complicity of the US SURGEON GENERAL!

If in the name of science public health officials could conduct syphilis experiments on unsuspecting African Americans, what was there to stop them from conducting CD4 HIV experiments on unsuspecting gay people?

Who knows?

Thanks for the links Sapphocrat. I'd forgotten about GRIDS and Patient Zero.(How many patient zeros were there?)

[JackBeck]

18. There's no such thing as a Hep-C vaccination. In fact, HCV wasn't

identified until the mid-1980's.

[Sapphocrat]

21. You're right, my mistake.

Hep-B, not Hep-C. There is still no Hep-C vaccine.

Don't worry, I'm not saying that's what "created" AIDS -- I'm just open to all theories.

[JackBeck]

19. I've seen more evidence linked to gay hemophiliacs who were

receiving factor VIII. MSM who were hemophiliacs were seen as the initial spreaders of HIV in urban environments.

[JackBeck]

20. What type of Hepatitis are you talking about?

[Laughing Mirror]

22. Back then there was only A & B

I don't remember which one the vaccine was supposed to treat, Hep A possible, since that's the one most people got. I was not one of the ones who took the vaccine since I'd already had both Hep A & B, and was therefore supposed to have built up immunity.

[salvorhardin]

15. The Russians admitted to starting this rumor

In March 1992, then-Russian intelligence chief and later Russian Prime Minister Yevgeni Primakov admitted that the disinformation service of the Soviet KGB had concocted the false story that the AIDS virus had been created in a US military laboratory as a biological weapon. The Russian newspaper Izvestiya reported on March 19, 1992:

" mentioned the well known articles printed a few years ago in our central newspapers about AIDS supposedly originating from secret Pentagon laboratories. According to Yevgeni Primakov, the articles exposing US scientists' 'crafty' plots were fabricated in KGB offices."

The Soviets eventually abandoned the AIDS disinformation campaign under pressure from the U.S. government in August 1987.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-777030.html

[Laughing Mirror]

17. "under pressure from US government"

Well that certainly clears up the matter then, doesn't it.

[Sinti]

23. I don't know about AIDS, specifically, but ethnic-specific bio weapons

are on the PNAC wish list.

In their own words:

"Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

Read all about it here.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20031125.htm