Man Trying To Buy Car Finds Out 9/11 Terrorist Took ID

[number6]

http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/3026399/detail.html

Terrorist Apparently Used Allen's Social Security Number

Ryan Allen (pictured, left), 19, turned up on a government list that includes Osama bin Laden and members of al-Qaida.

Allen wanted to buy a new Chevrolet Cavalier. He filled out the paperwork at a Kansas City dealership and then the results of the credit bureau check came back.

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But the dealership's manager came back with what Allen thought was an odd question.

"'Have you ever been to Yemen?' I go, 'No,'" Allen said ...

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so, how do we know who was really on those planes ?
and whatever happened in the other cases of identity theft ...

[LynzM]

1. Wow

Really, really sucks to be him, huh?

[LARED]

2. Another terrorist

found alive. Add it to the list. :toast: :wow: :toast:

[DulceDecorum]

3. So this guy

just got back from a few visits with Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon
and the skin-bleaching team.
SEND HIS ASS TO GITMO.
Damn 15 year old American hijacker!

And what's with the crack about his birthday being on September 11?
That kid is just trying to wiggle his way out of a dog-kennel built by our dear friends at Halliburton.
Ted Olson's birthday is September 11, and that's why Babs was aboard that plane remember?
You do not see Ted turning up with a terrorist photo ID.
Nah, he just got the best birthday gift ever. He lost the harpy.

[DulceDecorum]

4. On a more serious note:

We really should get rid of ALL those federal law-enforcement types.
Think about it people: this is April 2004 and those nudniks down at the CIA and the FBI and Homeland Security STILL have not yet run those Social Security Numbers through the computer.
Heck, every damn landlord who has ever had to evict someone does at least that much!
Every damn car dealer -- and there is one in just about every damn block in America -- does at least that much.
Every damn bank -- and you can hardly survive in the US without them -- runs the SSN through the computer whenever someone opens an account or applies for a loan which makes me wonder how come that kid wasn't nabbed earlier.
Hmmmm.
Come to think of it, how come they didn't take him in for questioning?

Maybe the CIA and the FBI and Homeland Security have some SS Numbers that are just out of bounds for reasons of national security.
Maybe they start with a 007.
Or maybe someone somewhere has a wild imagination.
http://html.ibsys.com/whoweare/bios.html
Who the heck is Internet Broadcasting Systems anyway?
Jayson Blair is looking for a job and so is Jack Kelly.
And each of them has a proven track record of creative writing.

[LARED]

5. Please Clarify

Think about it people: this is April 2004 and those nudniks down at the CIA and the FBI and Homeland Security STILL have not yet run those Social Security Numbers through the computer.

What makes you say that?

Heck, every damn landlord who has ever had to evict someone does at least that much! ... Every damn car dealer -- and there is one in just about every damn block in America -- does at least that much. Every damn bank -- and you can hardly survive in the US without them -- runs the SSN through the computer whenever someone opens an account or applies for a loan which makes me wonder how come that kid wasn't nabbed earlier.

What does that have to do with Ryan Allen?

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmm.

Come to think of it, how come they didn't take him in for questioning?

For what? Last time I checked buying a car was not a crime.

[DulceDecorum]

6. Clear as mud

To the CIA and the FBI and Homeland Security.

THE PRESIDENT: I wish you would have given me this written question ahead of time, so I could plan for it. (Laughter.) John, I'm sure historians will look back and say, gosh, he could have done it better this way, or that way. You know, I just -- I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with an answer, but it hadn't yet.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html

[LARED]

7. Thanks for clearing that up

Really :wtf:

[DulceDecorum]

8. Always happy to debunk lies.

United States
A social security number is a nine digit number resembling "123-00-1234" which is issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration of the government of the United States. Formerly people often had no social security number until the age of about 15 or 16, since they were used for tax purposes and those under that age seldom had remunerative employment. In the 1980s, the law was altered so that persons without social security numbers could not be claimed as dependents on tax returns. Since then, parents have often applied for social security numbers for their children as soon as they were born.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number

HOW is it possible for that 19 year old kid to have been claimed on taxes,
or to have paid his own taxes,
with a Social Security number that was and STILL is linked to terrorist activity?
What does that say for the credibility of the the CIA and the FBI and Homeland Security RIGHT NOW?

This is why I say that we should fire the entire passel of good-for-nothing bums.

[LARED]

9. The answer is right in front of you DD.

Bin al-Shibh is on a U.S. Treasury list of so-called blocked persons, including terrorists. Financial institutions check this in part to make sure someone opening a bank account is not doing it to fund terrorism.

Apparently the IRS is not on the look out for terrorists filing tax returns. I guess their money is as good as yours or mine.

[DulceDecorum]

10. So how come

they didn't nab the kid before now?
Trying to say that person WITHOUT a bank account went to a car dealership trying to get a loan?

As for the IRS, they just want their cut and they want ALL of it. That is why we have money laundering.

The Supreme Court once said something to the effect that a business should have tom pay taxes whether or not it was legal or illegal. The Justice in question was arguing that crooks should not be tax-exempt simply because they are crooks. That is why they have excise stamps for EVERYTHING including drug sales and genital-rentals. No kidding. Only in America.

They go through through those tax returns with a fine-tooth comb. That kid should have been nailed YEARS ago. His parents have been claiming him as a dependant and their records look as if they have been nurturing a terrorist. And no-one from the CIA or the FBI or Homeland Security has come a-calling.
But then again the entire passel of them are such bloody fools that they flipped their collective wigs when they found a copy of this translated into Arabic and conveniently left lying around in Osama's outhouse in Kabul. Then the blithering idiots tried to tie it to George Galloway and Saddam Hussein.
http://winn.com/bs/atombomb.html

As for fake identities, remember that flap about passports from New Zealand turning up in the hands of people who are most definitely NOT from Kiwisville?

"They can fake them but here it is the real thing. You get a genuine New Zealand passport."
In the past, passports would be sought in the name of people who had died but with computerised records officials can easily check for death certificates. The next logical step was to find someone who was alive but never likely to travel.
Dr Jim Rolfe, a former New Zealand Army officer and defence analyst who lectures at the Asia-Pacific Centre for Security Studies in Honolulu, says he thought the era of intelligence agencies obtaining false documents in this way ended with the Cold War, during which Russia had a reputation for snaffling foreign passports.
Clearly, he says, it has not.
The value of a passport to an intelligence agent is the new identity it allows him to assume.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?reportID=1162641

As for checking for death certificates, how come our Keystone Kops couldn't run a make on the people they claim hijacked the planes that are still able to fly since they never crashed?
One of those so-called hijackers had been dead for months before September 11, 2001.
Yet this Muslim was able to suspend the laws of physics
and make it to the WTC in time for a most spectacular re-entry into the land of dearly departed.
Some Christians claim to have been born twice but this fellow has managed to die twice.
Even the Messiah has not achieved this feat.

If the US security apparatus was actually doing its job,
then we would not have all this stupid stuff going on which only goes to prove that
they are collectively less useful than a Segway purchased for a sea-monkey
despite all their mouthings aimed at convincing us that we desperately need them.
Why have they not been able to apprehend that kid with the terrorist SS number?
How come he has not had his prostrate examined by the likes of Jack McGeorge?

[LARED]

11. Once more

Bin al-Shibh is on a U.S. Treasury list of so-called blocked persons, including terrorists. Financial institutions check this in part to make sure someone opening a bank account is not doing it to fund terrorism.

[DulceDecorum]

12. With feeling

which only goes to prove that the feds worse than useless at actually DEFENDING the nation.

This guy is on a blocked list and tries to buy a car (which could be used for a suicide bombing) and he doesn't even get questioned by the feds.
Nor do they go check up on the "intelligence" that resulted in his SS number being placed on that watch list in the first place.

All the feds appear to have done is to re-insert their thumb back into their orifice. We are not even sure that they even sniffed it.

[LARED]

13. DD your slipping

After talking to the Social Security Administration, the U.S. Treasury, the FBI, lawyers, and local police, Allen said that he is still not sure how to clear his name.

Can't tell you how good of a job the Feds are doing, (although there have been no attacks on US soil) but they did talk to the guy.

[Abe Linkman]

14. Stick around. There's an election coming up.

"there have been no attacks on US soil"

[DulceDecorum]

16. Wheel of Fortune

Good call LARED.
The FBI really does care.

The dealership called police, who called the FBI, which said the matter did not have a high priority because al-Shibh was arrested two years ago in Pakistan, Allen said.
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Allen has contacted the U.S. Treasury, the Social Security office, his credit union and lawyers. The only thing he knows for sure is that no one has used his Social Security number to open new accounts in his name.
He says he has received no clear explanation of how his number could be connected to al-Shibh. And he said Treasury officials could not assure him the number wasn't used in other ways or that the problem would not recur.
"At one point (the Treasury Department) told me my name might have come up because the consonants are the same as this other guy," Allen said Wednesday. "Come on, Little Bo Peep is closer to his name than mine."
John Garlinger, a spokesman for the Kansas City region of Social Security, said someone can get another person's Social Security number in many ways and it is "virtually impossible" to determine how it happened.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/04/22/identity.mistake.ap/

I think the boys at the Treasury may be spending a little too much time ogling Vanna White.

[number6]

15. good point

"This guy is on a blocked list and tries to buy a car (which could be used for a suicide bombing) and he doesn't even get questioned by the feds.
Nor do they go check up on the "intelligence" that resulted in his SS number being placed on that watch list in the first place. "

yea, why ???

"..feds worse than useless at actually DEFENDING the nation."

I agree ...