SURVEY SHOCKER: ONE IN 3 AMERICANS SAY U.S. AIDED 9/11

[elehhhhna]

ONE IN 3 AMERICANS SAY U.S.
AIDED 9/11

SURVEY SHOCKER

By THOMAS HARGROVE and GUIDO H. STEMPEL III
The plots thicken

August 3, 2006 -- More than one-third of Americans suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new poll.

The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

The national Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/one_in_3_americans_say_u_s__aided_9_11_nationalnews_thomas_hargrove______and_guido_h__stempel_iii.htm

[htuttle]

1. If the so-called 'fringe' is growing, does that mean the US is unraveling?

[liberaldemocrat7]

42. I will say it again. Bu$h provoked the 9-11 attacks.

Contrary to the claim that Republicans do not deal with terrorists, the Bu$h administration attempted to pressure the Taliban terrorist government to accept gas and oil pipelines under threat of invasion. The Taliban did not wait for the invasion and struck us first.

Bush did not plan it, Bush did not let it happen, Bush provoked it and failed to defend Against it.

Sheesh 9-11 appeared about OIL and GAS similarly to Iraq appearing about oil.

[atfqn]

84. I will also say it again.

Bush planned and prosecuted the 9-11 attacks. Who ultimately benefited the most? Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Carlyle Group.

[liberaldemocrat7]

107. AS vile as the REPUBLIKLAN Party acts toward people

they did not plan this, they DID plan an attack of Afghanistan though in case the Taliban did not accept the oil and gas pipelines.

As vile as Bush acts and appears, he did not have anything to do with the direct murder of 2,750 people, however they turned into the collateral damage in the Bush administration to seek oil and gas from the former Russian Republics north of Afghanistan.

I don't buy it and it appears a bit loopy to beleive that Bush would directly kill his own citizens. Republicans kill or disadvantage our own citizens in the pursuit of profits or good will or through planned government inaction in national disasters: 9-11, Hurricanes, Ford Explorer, Vioxx, Enron, Savings and Loan, Challenger and Columbia space shuttles.

[atfqn]

110. Do some research.

My opinions come from the research I have done. Your opinions come from your faith in humanity. Have you forgotten the Reich stag? Check out the 9/11 forums on this board and do some googling. Watch some documentaries and talk with people. Then ask yourself if a bunch of cave dwellers with cell phones could shut down norad for a morning. Then look at some of the pictures of destruction and remember that nature creates no straight lines and then see all the straight lines of molten steel. Ask yourself how two buildings could fall at free fall speed without some "assistance." Then finally do a little research and find out who controlled security of the WTC till that morning of sept 11. And all of the security drills being made weeks before hand that allowed unauthorized and unchecked engineers and people through the security systems - Marvin Bush (Bush's brother.) No I am sorry there are too many coincidences here for this to be a bunch of islamic terrorists in a cave. Look at the evidence not what Faux news tells you.

[liberaldemocrat7]

126. No, my opinion comes from a book "Forbidden Truth" by Dasquie and Brisard

One of them a French intelligence officer who said that the Bush was dealing with the Taliban during winter and spring 2001.

Bush wanted those pipelines and I bet that's what had gone on in the secret energy task force meetings that Cheney conducted.

[midnight]

108. How can only one third of the population believe this?

[atfqn]

111. Because

the sheeple do not like to be disturbed from their eating, breeding and entertainment.

[Blackthorn]

90. Not Bush personally of course

But the Taliban had nothing to do with it. I'm sure the Taliban were able to plant all those explosives that you can see going off in all the videos of the towers collapsing.

[petgoat]

117. Actually it's possible that al Qaeda could have planted

explosives. They could have rented space in the buildings (or bought businesses that did).
Many businesses warehoused product in their space. (It was the World Trade Center, after all.)
So they could have smuggled the explosives in with their product in the freight elevators
(which were reportedly big enough to drive a van into).

Then after midnight, operatives could have sneaked into the elevator shafts to plant explosives,
using the roofs of the elevator cars as movable staging.

It's entirely possible that al Qaeda blew up the towers and WTC7 too, and the authorities
are covering this up because it's embarassing to Marvin Bush's security company, which is
owned by the Kuwait-American Corporation. Marvin Bush was a director for ten years.

[rosesaylavee]

97. You are right.

it is about oil and gas and 9/11 allowed them freedom to go after it. Carte Blanche permission to go get them terraists wherever *co said they were. And most of the country followed them trancelike and fortunately for our country, the trance is just about over.

We have an excellent forum on 9/11 stuff. I was like you a few years ago and very skeptical of conspiracy theories on this topic but in time I have reached the conclusion that there is just too much that is unexplained or incredibly too coincidental to not point to a coverup. What that coverup is - my guess is they at least let it happen if not planned it.

Welcome to DU, btw.

[petgoat]

78. No, the US is dis-unraveling. It's been raveling and unraveling

since the Supremes stole the election of 2000.

[acmejack]

Haven't you heard?

We're all nuts. Someone will be here momentarily to tell you so!

[elehhhhna]

7. I got enough of that RIGHT HERE last night on another thread.

I am evidently a Freeper, a liar, and much, much more! LMAO!

Oh yeah, thanks for the Recs!

[William Seger]

32. I think you're half right

"More than one-third of Americans suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them..." Since I'd put myself in the "or took no action to stop them" suspicion category, I must be part of that one third, so I don't think we're ALL nuts. But I do think the people who believe in controlled demolition of the WTC and a cruise missile at the Pentagon are definitely nutty, and that they are more of a hindrance than a help in figuring out what happened. I don't usually talk to friends about what I think is a plausible hypothesis because I don't want to be confused with people who believe all sorts of highly implausible things based on "evidence" that is ridiculously flimsy. And, yes, I have wasted a LOT of time examining their "evidence." If they were right, that's something I'd REALLY like to know, and I sincerely resent being characterized as close-minded. I think I've given the MIHOPers a more than fair chance to make their case, and they've come up WAY short. All they've done is convince me that they want to believe something so badly, they won't let facts stand in the way. "Conspiracy nuts" seem to have one thing in common with people who believe in all sorts of pseudoscience: They claim that their adversaries are dogmatic, close-minded people who dismiss their "evidence" out of hand without examining it, but in fact nothing pisses them off so much as actually scrutinizing their "evidence" and pointing out the obvious flaws. Sorry for the rant, but it's annoying as hell.

[acmejack]

37. All I know is the "Official" story doesn't wash.

many people think I'm a half-wit, so that's par for the course :rofl:

I built sensors and control systems, built is kind of figurative I actually had a hand more in integration, test, field engineering, some design, repair, operation and training aspects. So I know the capabilities of the equipment and basically what it is intended to do. I know exactly what it was required to be able to do. Someone had to override a lot of alerts (level one, kind of like a polite excuse me, subdued tone & amber light) and a bunch of alarms (level two, not polite, like a slap in the face, obnoxious buzzer and flashing red light) while all this weird shit was going on. Computer command and control programs hate weird stuff happening, it really upsets them. It is very hard to believe they do not have the capability to recreate the FAA scenario that day, very difficult, indeed.

The question is how stupid are we? I'm gullible but even so, I need something within the realm of plausibility. It would be nice to have someone besides a group of Government yes men too. Slap someone like Ms. Breitweiser on there, someone from the NTSB, you know actually act like you wanted to know the truth.

[loudsue]

91. Conspiracy nuts??? So are you saying 9/11 wasn't even a conspiracy

by Al Qaida?

Or are you saying there's no such thing as a conspiracy? That two (or more) people never PLAN to do something together to do harm to their adversaries?

So, either there WAS a conspiracy, or there was NOT a conspiracy. So which ones are the "conspiracy nuts"?

The ones who believe that 19 guys got together and planned to bring down the towers, or the ones who believe that some rich republicans, who had already stated their intentions in the PNAC document did it, and got very very wealthy by doing so.

Or did those 19 guys who supposedly acted alone to bring down the U.S. government do so independently of one another?

I'm confused here. Are you, or are you NOT, a "conspiracy nut"?

:kick:

[William Seger]

102. Sorry, but I can't read my posting to you

But maybe if you read it again, you'll find the answers to your questions.

[Supersedeas]

49. Irrelevant - we can ignore history - Dr. Condi said it's not impordant

[hpot]

2. I'm part of that 1/3 - Here is something for the other 2/3

Able Danger program and government foreknowledge on 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688

[KansDem]

9. I've thought about adding this bumper sticker to my car...

"Operation Northwoods"
Google it!

[Quantess]

63. You should.

I've never heard about "Operation Northwoods", but I will google it and find out!

If it's truly a meaty subject as you say, maybe someone should print a bunch of stickers and give them out.

I'm going to do the search now...

[William Seger]

18. That flick is in bad need of editing

Maybe I'll go back and finish watching it later, but after 15 minutes, I felt like I had just wasted 14 minutes.

[readmoreoften]

98. Great information, one of the worst editing jobs I've ever seen.

The creator needs to hire an actual editor to help him recut and rethink the layout of the material. There is quite a bit of valuable stuff in there, but it's 3 roughcuts shy from a final copy.

[SpiralHawk]

3. LIHOP enters mass consciousness

Truth shall prevail.

Throw the traitorous republicons and their leaders George AWOL Bush and Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney out of office.

[babylonsister]

22. OT, but Sean Penn would HATE that poster! nt

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

4. So many unanswered questions and still no REAL investigation.

[Junkdrawer]

5. What is worrying The Powers That Be is that "otherwise" respectable...

academics and professionals are joining the ranks of the people who finally say publicly that the official story is an insult to intelligence.

[Dhalgren]

10. The problem is that the supporters of the "official theory" of 9/11

simply will not engage in any sensible discussion of the events surrounding 9/11. They immediately go to their straw men and their ad homonym attacks. I have tried to deal rationally with this topic and have been unable to do so because of the hysterical responses of those who accept the government line. There is simply an enormous list of unanswered questions and incongruities in the official version of events, but these issues cannot be discussed because it is not allowed. Well, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that if a version of reality cannot be looked at and discussed, then it probably isn't real...

[Junkdrawer]

12. but...but...a few hours with Microsoft Flight Simulator and you too...

can fly a 757 like a stunt pilot.... :eyes:

[savemefromdumbya]

45. unless you have a remote control?

[Junkdrawer]

53. That's what many guess...Makes more sense...

than the "Rookie Aces" theory.

[savemefromdumbya]

54. pilots have marveled at the way the planes were flown!

[Junkdrawer]

57. Back in the 90s, I watched several Learning Channel programs on...

what commercial pilots go through in terms of training. Usually ex-military pilots with thousands of hours of flight time spend hundreds of hours in multi-million dollar simulators learning how to take-off, navigate and land the commercial behemoths in all weather/mechanical conditions. And that's to master level flight.

But a rookie swoops in on the Pentagon and crashes his plane into the first or second story without mussing the lawn.

And they really expect me to believe that?

[savemefromdumbya]

66. Obviously a lot of pepole have been duped

[HamdenRice]

15. I think there are OCTabots

OCT is short for "official conspiracy theory" -- the one about the guy in the cave defeating the Pentagon -- and people who automatically savage any questioning of the official story I think of as OCTabots. Here's something I wrote in another thread:

I call them OCTabots. It's like a robotic presence that immediately disparages every post with the same basic illogical argument and dismissal. And you are right, the vigilance is non-human. Well, I assume they are human, but they may be working shifts under the same screen names. Post something at say 4 am, and they will immediately swarm in.

There may be some humans as well, but the bots are the most relentless. And keep in mind that the Pentagon has hinted that it will counter what it calls disinformation with a web presence.

One more very revealing thing. Do a search by screen name of their posts. Several of them post ONLY in the 9/11 forum, or have a very few posts in other forums that are almost all right wing talking points.

The search function will explain a lot -- try it.

[acmejack]

40. Veddy interesting!!

I think you are on to something. I should have realized it sooner.

[n2doc]

64. same is true if you post about people teaching conspiracy theories

I have noticed that as soon as I have started a thread on one of the several Teachers who include 9/11 alternate theories in their classes the thread is immediately hijacked (pun intended) by these folks. There is no reasoning with them, and they immediately resort to name calling when confronted with any attempt at discussion of the problems with the OCT.

[Jackpine Radical]

29. How 'bout that! Homonym is a homophone for hominem, but not

a homonym for hominem.

[Dhalgren]

30. Boy! Is my face read!

[Jackpine Radical]

31. Happens to the beast of us.

[libhill]

62. 911 was an inside job -

I don't give a rats ass what any one else believes. There's no way in hell that a bearded mullah living in some Afghan cave could have pulled that off. If you buy the official story, then I'd like to sit you down and tell you how Fred Flintstone invented the atomic bomb. :)

[Dogmudgeon]

16. A.K. Dewdney was one of the first LIHOP/MIHOP academics

He's a mathematician, and used to write the Mathematical Recreations column for Scientific American after Martin Gardner retired. He also wrote Planiverse about a two-dimensional universe, an updating of Abbott's classic Flatland.

Dewdney proposed a scenario where the crew and passengers were gassed, and the plane was flown by remote control. It was primarily a thought experiment, but he supported his contentions pretty carefully. It was chillingly plausible.

--p!

[treestar]

21. Is this enough people to make threads about it good enough

to avoid removal to the 911 dungeon?

Tinfoil hat sales must be skyrocketing.

[bdamomma]

6. it's about time

I totally believe this government had something to do with 9/11, why are some in denial regarding this, they have killed more people in the five years in office what would stop them from killing more Americans, they do not care. plain and simple.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

35. If not for the gross lies and disregard for life they've shown everywhere

There is no way I could believe this.

As it is, put me in that 1/3 of Americans. I like the 1/3 number. That's 100 million people. A hundred million people are way too many for BushCo to fit into mental hospitals and prisons.

Hell, there's probably not enough thorazine in the world to tranquilize us all.

[acmejack]

41. That's exactly right.

They have shown themselves to be so mendacious, lying even when there is no apparent reason to do so, that they have squandered the trust of a good portion of the American public. A number of would step outside to look for ourselves if they told us it was brightly lit outside at twelve o'clock at noon.

[glitch]

109. I love to ask the 911 believers what else they believe bushco on.

Do they believe WMD in Iraq? How about FEMA in New Orleans doing a heck of a job? NSA not spying on Americans? What about no torturing prisoners?

Or is the "official" 911 story the only thing they believe bushco told the truth about, and if so, why?

[CJCRANE]

8. If real questions

about 9/11 ever hit the MSM on a regular basis it will be two thirds believe in LIHOP/MIHOP.

As for this quote -

"Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."

- it also works the other way round - if people think they are being lied to about 9/11 (+WMD etc etc) that will fuel the resentment and alienation toward the government.

[Joanne98]

11. One in three Americans say, "I'm LIHOP or MIHOP"

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. And the Bushies will say...

"Wow! There are a lot of America hating liberuls in this country! We'd better get cracking on cracking down, or the terrorists will have won!"

[elehhhhna]

14. I thought their '06 & '08 slogan was "Then let them eat cake!"

[acmejack]

38. You misunderstood, it wasn't cake they said.

[elehhhhna]

70. UH HUH! Yellow cake, iirc.

[CJCRANE]

17. Shame that the one third

who are freepers/neocons get all the air-time

and the one third LIHOP/MIHOP never get a say.

[Philosoraptor]

19. I'm shocked it took five years.

[MadHound]

20. This is following the same trajectory as the Kennedy assasination

First, due to the shock and immediacy of the event, people fall for the Big Lie, accepting whatever the bogus story is(ie Magic Bullet, etc.). Then a few years after the event, people start questioning the official story line, and are derided in the government and press as cranks, crackpots and best of all, conspiracy theorists:eyes: However behind the scenes, out of the public eye, real solid research is going on to debunk the official storyline.

Meanwhile, more and more of the public continue to have doubts, do their own research, make up their own minds. They talk amongst themselves, and read the scholarly works that come out debunking the official story. Eventually this group of people goes from being an easily dismissable minority opinion to an overwhelming majority of the population. This puts pressure on the government to come clean, to do a real investigation.

So, a panel is formed, much like the House Select Committee on Assasinations was in the '70s. Officially they are tasked with getting to the bottom of the matter, no matter where it leads. However unofficially they are tasked to suppress these doubts and to uphold the official story at all possible costs. This was the charge of the HSCA in regards to the Kennedy assasination. However the evidence and scholarly research is so overwhelming that it forces such a body to go against their official and unofficial mandates, and declare that yes indeed, the doubters, the cranks, the conspiracy theorists were indeed correct. This happened in '79 with the HSCA, when they, as an official arm of the US government, did indeed declare that the Kennedy assasination was the result of a conspiracy, and that the Warren Commission report was a load of manure.

But sadly, again history will repeat itself, and like the Kennedy assasination, such matters will be either buried or ignored, and while those of us out there seeking the truth will have achieved a victory, it will be one in name only, as the matter will be dropped, buried, and the powers that be hope thrown on the dustbin of history. No follow up investigations will be authorized, no official probes will be made into the matter, it will simply be ignored.

And it is these sorts of actions that are a corrosive influence on our body politic. People become more cynical and jaded, their faith in American government and justice systems eroded, and fear will gnaw at the populace. Because hey, if a sitting President can be assasinated, or a couple of towers dropped straight into their own footprint on a fine Sept. morning, and both matters are successfully covered up with the perpetrators escaping justice, what can be done to you and I as average citizens?

[marions ghost]

24. yes youre right

but these are different times. Vastly different. I'm not so sure history will repeat itself.

[MadHound]

25. I truly hope not

But given the ever increasing secrecy our government has employed during my lifetime, especially now that they are equipped with a compliant lapdog media, I fear that it will indeed repeat itself.

At this point, five years out from the Kennedy assasination, you had mainstream newspapers, magazines and publishing houses putting out material that at least putting forward the idea that Kennedy wasn't the victim of a lone gunman. Today, all we're hearing from the MSM is more fear and terror, and people who dare to say otherwise are ridiculed into silence. Sadly, this doesn't bode well for the breaking of historical patterns. But we'll see:shrug: I hope I'm wrong on this.

[marions ghost]

69. well --

I think the media repression is so extreme and obvious now that even the 'mainstream' is catching on. And thank god for the internets. I don't really know what happened in the media in the 5 years after Kennedy, but my impression is that it took a LONG time to convince people of accomplices. Weren't people actually a bit more naive about government then, still basking in the "Heroic America" image from WWII?

So now, 5 years after 9-11 --when you have a third of the country seriously questioning it, I'd say that's a big improvement actually, compared with the Kennedy period.

[MadHound]

73. Five years out from the Kennedy assasination

The majority of Americans thought that the Warren Commission report, and the Magic Bullet theory were a crock of shit. And like I said ealier, there were articles questioning the official story being printed in the MSM, and the first of a wave of books were being published.

With 911, here we are, five years out, less than a third of the American people are on board with LIHOP or MIHOP, and there hasn't been a questioning word spoken or published in the MSM, unless it was to heap scorn on it.

We've got a ways to go:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

27. Yep. Predictable. But, whereas you can only kill JFK once....

you can do 9/11 over and over until there are no democratic institutions left to question.

After that, like all autocratic empires of the past, it's a matter of rot from within and invasion from without - usually both.

[savemefromdumbya]

47. and martial law

[elehhhhna]

28. Not shocked here. It takes human beings a substantial amount of time to

chuck our long-conditioned beliefs. As a born cynic, it was easy for me to go LIHOP, gut-wise. THAT happened by 12:01 a/m 9/12 at the latest.

Saying so out loud took much, much longer.

[onenote]

81. same poll: 40 percent believe govt "directly" involved in JFK assasination

But keep in mind, only 12 percent think this is "very" likely.

The rest of the poll follows a similar trend.
36 Percent think some people in the fed govt may have "assisted or took no action" re 9/11; only 16 percent think this "very likely"

38 percent think the fed gov may be withholding info about intelligent life on other planets; only 16 percent think this is "very likely"

16 percent think WTC collapse might be due to planted explosives; only 6 percent think this very likely.

All in all, not a terribly enlightening poll imo.

http://newspolls.org/question.php?question_id=715

[JAbuchan08]

123. I can see this happening

I really have no idea about the JFK assassination, the ballistics etc. but my parents are certain that there was a "magic bullet," being distanced from the story in terms of time (twenty years before my birth) I am unable to independently verify either the official or unofficial versions of events.

[NoSheep]

23. I heard this am, 1 in 3 say they think chimpie is doing a good job.

We've got to wake up that other 3rd!!!!!

[savemefromdumbya]

48. send them a letter

tell them the truth

[elehhhhna]

71. It explains the BA 's reluctance to fund cures for brain wasting diseases

[SidDithers]

26. 30% believe UFO's are alien spaceships...

48% believe some people possess psychic powers or ESP
25% believe astrology is scientific
35% believe in telepathy

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind06/c7/fig07-08.htm
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind02/pdf/c07.pdf

Hell, 34% still support Bush.

Sid

[SpiralHawk]

39. Being psychic, I KNEW you were going to post these so-called statistics

Being intelligent, and having studied the evidence and timeline, I know LIHOP or MIHOP.

And I now an occult Skull & Boner is in the middle of the mess...

[SidDithers]

60. What's "so called" about the statistics?

I provided a source. Or don't you trust the National Science Foundation?

Sid

[acmejack]

44. These statistics render everyone else incorrect on the issue at hand?

Interesting. I shall have to memorize them, I wish I would have discovered this particular set of numbers three decades or so earlier! How they would have simplified my life! I certainly can't thank you enough for sharing them with us...

[slaveplanet]

65. difference is

We know corrupt leaders throughout history are the NORM, not the exception.

It is provable and documentable.

Unlike the hocus pocus crap you're throwing up as some lame attempt at guilt by association.

That only 30% think that leaders could be corrupt enough to have planned an inside job, I find truly frightening, and it says a lot about the state of history education in todays world.

[elehhhhna]

72. Your point would be...?

[petgoat]

87. Something like 30% don't know what year 9/11 happened.

Do you think many of them are *IHOPers?

Half of the non-skeptics are extremely ignorant.

[daleo]

33. And about 1 in 3 think Bush is doing a good job

So which 1 in 3 are more "out of touch with reality"?

[SpiralHawk]

103. The 1 in 3 who imagine Bush is a TEXAS tough guy straight-shooter

And who will not deal with the FACTS that he is a connecticut yankee preppy AWOL deserter cheerleader weenie who failed America on 9/11 and who then lied to the world about it.

The only valid question is, which is his most treasonous fuck up: 9/11 or katrina?

[daleo]

112. That's a tough question

And probably deserves a thread of its own. Its amazing he hasn't been impeached once you start thinking of it that way.

[nyhuskyfan]

34. What's one of the first questions people ask about any crime?

Who were the people who benefit most?

So, who benefited most from 9/11? You could make a case for any number of people and organizations, but I would say that the oil/gas industry and the defense industries have profited beyond their wildest imaginations from the ongoing conflicts.

And remind me again. The people currently running the United States, and their poweful cronies, come from which industries?

[aikoaiko]

36. Nice double barrelled questions, they would get a D in my Methods course.

if they presented that survey to me.

[onenote]

82. exactly!

I found it particularly interesting that the question did not just ask whether the respondent believed that people within the federal government had assisted in making the 9/11 attacks happen, but whether "People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East." There's a world of difference between the two concepts.

[Xenotime]

43. 911 attacks were a direct result of * taking aim at islam so he

could go into Iraq.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

46. One word: Creationism.

Lots of Americans believe all sorts of silly things; just because 9/11 conspiracy theories are widely believed doesn't mean they're worthy of serious consideration.

[savemefromdumbya]

50. except this isn't a silly thing

[marions ghost]

67. LOL

I don't think the group who believes in Creationism is the same group that believes that the truth about 9-11 has not been revealed! It's the group that has been paying attention that questions 9-11, not the one with its head in the sand.

[readmoreoften]

100. Americans do believe all sorts of crackpot nonsense.

Like the 9-11 Commission Report. What half-assed pseudoscience garbage! "Pancake" theories!

[INDIA]

51. So is anyone going to question the poll?

Or the source it came from? It's the NY Post, and we're all accepting it as truth. But I thought the media lied! I thought all polls were controlled by the right! Hypocritical.

[savemefromdumbya]

55. LOL!

[Generator]

58. Of course

Polls are somewhat meaningless. They just give an inkling of the basic mindset. It depends on who you ask, when, where and most importantly how and how that data is figured. But I know the NY Post and it's basically right wing-but here's the kicker- New Yorkers-you know the ones that actually lived through 9/11 are the most skeptical of all Americans about the official story about 9/11. And maybe that's our greatest hope. This story isn't going away. Those that lived through it will be around for decades, and like I, one day, hope to find a clearer picture of the truth which I KNOW does not match what my government has told me.

Also-I don't know where you got the idea that all polls are controlled by the right-certainly the exit polls after the election night on November 2nd, 2004 were not. But don't worry, I hear there will no longer be exit polls after elections. Wouldn't want anything that questions those results.

[savemefromdumbya]

52. Do 2/3 know how it happened?

[AntiFascist]

56. Looks like some crazy-ass conspiracy theory...

has gone mainstream.

[elehhhhna]

76. Which explains Bush sandbagging on the Commission AND his

refusal to testify under oath, or even without Dick (Mastermind) CHeney next to him.

ANd hiring a criminal attorney in this matter.

Thanks for the enlightening observations.

[onenote]

83. hardly

First of all, only 16 percent believe that MIHOP or LIHOP is "very likely". Second, the way the question is asked, its not even clear that you would have to believe in LIHOP to answer in the affirmative. You might just believe that there were those who were incompetent or had other agendas that led them not to take actions that might have prevented the attacks. Its a horribly worded question from a methodological standpoint.

[AntiFascist]

96. As was pointed out in Post 42 and also the documentary in my sig line...

there are other points of view besides MIHOP and LIHOP which really piss people off. The point is, a lot of people are really angry about the whole thing. Plus, what about the fact that the 9/11 commission leaves so many questions unanswered? The mere fact that this happened on Bush's watch, and the media (ABC) is trying to blame it on Clinton (apparently) should really piss off Democrats. Where is the outrage?

[Justice Is Comin]

59. You don't have to go much farther than the free fall folly facaca

Something can't fall freefall at the same rate it falls with resistance. That's like being short and bald headed, six foot five and black hair.

[KurtNYC]

61. Because the GOP is so damned proud of 911

they made it the theme of their 2004 convention. They named 9/11 a kind of holiday ("Patriot's Day") and they lied their way into Iraq while linking Iraq to 9/11.

I also note that The NY Post ran this headline in the months after 9/11/2001 and yet now claim to be "shocked" that people believe them:

[tigereye]

68. I think the only way that the govt aided it

was by having their isolationist diplomatic and foreign policy heads in the sand. That's about it, in my view.

[IChing]

74. Remember, remember the eleventh of September

Remember, remember the eleventh of September, the Twin Towers treason and plot.

I know of no reason why the Twin Towers treason should ever be forgot.

[SaneInSC]

94. V

Love the V for Vendetta reference/

[TrogL]

75. most people can't think, most of the rest won't think....

(added link)

I'm not even going to re-argue this. I've already got a thread going.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=231645&mesg_id=231696

[petgoat]

88. A thread based on a logically fallacious straw man argument,

I might add. :)

[IChing]

93. And between a poster with 40 posts and no bio

I might add. :)

[Jed Dilligan]

77. Always suspected this...

The apathetic, non-voting majority that we love to belittle is actually shot through with conspiracy theorists. I've heard time and time again from rigid, anti-political, non-voters that democracy in America ended when Kennedy was shot. From their perspective, not voting is the last freedom they have to express themselves politically--the only thing separating American elections from Hussein's "elections."

I have to say, I'm always in danger of falling back into that category myself.

[Seabiscuit]

79. I'm Mr. 34%! I feel cheated - I wasn't polled!

[onenote]

80. same poll: 38% percent believe govt is w/holding info on alien life forms

http://newspolls.org/question.php?question_id=715

[MetaTrope]

104. Bet those are the same people who said the government knew nothing of 9/11

Freaking nutters.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

85. Isn't this breaking the official 9/11 conspiracy rules?

I thought NY Post being a Murdoch paper was part of the "NWO/Bilderberg/Bushco/Mossad/Carlyle Group worldwide conspiracy?"

Only obscure conspiracy blogs allowed.

Although if the NY Post then prints something that the pro-MIHOP crowd don't like, the Post will once again be considered "shills for BUSHCO, hiding the TRUTH!!11"

[Anarcho-Socialist]

86. delete dupe

[SpiralHawk]

89. Bush & Five Deferments Cheney lied about 9/11

And the so-called 9/11 commission knows it.

And more and more of the American people realize it.

[pola]

92. this is my favorite 9/11 Truth site....

www.9/11Truth.org

[DemonFighterLives]

95. Definitely LIHOP/ MIHOP

I really think explosives were needed to bring them down that fast and straight. There is no indication that the steel could have gotten hot enough through all the sheetrock/ ceiling tiles and asbestos.
The plane caused some damage but not enough to topple the towers.
I guess I'm somewhere between the 16 and 33%.

100% sure that Kennedy was taken out by conspiracy and I'm thinking Wellstone as well.

Call me crazy!
:crazy:

[readmoreoften]

99. And 40% of Americans Support Bush. So 1/2 of all RATIONAL AMERICANS

support LIHOP/MIHOP. Assuming that all LIHOP/MIHOPers would be against a government that murders its own people.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

101. That 30-40% polled who support Bush are likely voters only

At least a third of American adults don't vote or are not registered (I suspect the figure is much higher).

[LibertyorDeath]

105. Then 1 in 3 Americans should be relegated to the DU 911 dungeon

When it gets to 2 in 3 I'm sure the 911 forum aka the dungeon
will be given a more prominent spot on this site.
Until then we don't want to look like a bunch of conspiratorial nutjobs.

DO WE :)

Come to think of it this thread should have been moved there already
WTF is going on.

Did we run out of tin foil?

Yes I'm a sarcastic SOB.
Well justified imo....

[Swamp Rat]

106. I bet they didn't poll Katrina victims.

They only Katrina victim I know of that supports Bushler is that inbred named 'Rocky.' :eyes:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

113. US foreign policy from the Cold War onwards brought about 9/11

It seems to me that a group of Saudi radicals hijacked planes and crashed them into the WTC and the Pentagon. There seems to be more evidence for this than: "remote-controlled planes", "missiles" or "demolitions" causing 9/11.

From what I have seen in the Bush administration is that they are very incompetent and are incapable of forging a MIHOP of this magnitude. The only thing the Bush administration is good at is PR, character assassination and working the media. They can't govern, they can't launch and maintain effective military campaigns, they can't mobilise personnel to achieve objectives (Katrina), and they are not at all clever.

September 11th to me is gross incompetency on behalf of the Bush administration and a harbinger of the following five years of GOP rule.

[mirandapriestly]

114. will you post this in 9-11 forum, please?

good find!

[mirandapriestly]

115. It's still up in greatest withn 71 recs!

I am changing my post cuz I thought it was moved here. Is this a victory?

[canetoad]

116. You around MP?

Irc. Now! lol

[Grateful for Hope]

118. Tried to join

Alas, no one was there.

[mirandapriestly]

127. I can't get it to work

I have it in my file, but it won't connect. I think ct thinks I'm dumb lol

[Name removed]

119. Deleted message

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[petgoat]

125. Got Evidence?

the far right wing is where most of the conspiracy theories stemmed from, after all.

Got evidence?

Wear those tin hats proudly

I predict that Reynoldsware will be considered very stylish this fall.

[BootinUp]

120. This is one of the reasons

I am taking the netroots less and less serious every day. Way too much of a conspiracy mindset for me.

[SpiralHawk]

121. Banished to the 9/11 Gulag, alas. Even with 71 votes for

the greatest page.

Why why why is this material -- of vital interest to SO MANY DUers -- banished to the outback?

I don't get it.

[Grateful for Hope]

122. It is still on greatest page, however,

I was very happy to see that!

[Name removed]

124. Deleted message

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[mirandapriestly]

128. Is it still? 72 frigging recs,

that's more than JonBenet Ramsey, lol

[mirandapriestly]

129. I can see wanting to avoid some of the sites

but NOT corporate mainstream news, that is ridiculous. Also, it looks like it doesn't cause the kind of flame wars that it used to. There is a vocal minority, other than that, people either disbelieve the oct or they are open minded because after all this is a progressive site.