I have a question...

[Buttercup McToots]

I am watching/reading about The 911 Scholars for Truth.
What hit the Pentagon...was a smaller plane than a 757?
What happened to the people on that 757 plane that they said hit the Pentagon...
I can't find any speculation...
I get more and more spooked everyday...

[Buttercup McToots]

1. Please

Point me in the right direction...

[EOTE]

2. Watch this video...

It has all the answers you're looking for:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7218920724339766288

[wildbilln864]

3. welcome to the dungeon, Buttercup...

All we can do is speculate about those people since this administration has stonewalled and denied any real and complete investigation. I have to believe that those war games were rescheduled to 911 specifically to aid in the confusion and plausible deniability. Why so many on the same day?
Those people are probably dead but we can only guess how, when or where. All I know is they're covering shit up and I'm not about to believe it's incompetence when they've accomplished everything the PNAC agenda wanted and they're still getting away with murder!

[truthmover]

11. Buttercup, Wildbill864 hit the nail on the head, and...

Please beware of those who would feed you speculation as fact, don't get too caught up in speculation as we have concrete facts, and review the range of 9/11 media available. Its definately about more than what hit the pentagon, and how the towers came down. Those are interesting and relevant, but keep in mind that the case can be made in a very compelling fashion without these subjects.

Be sure not to miss "The Truth and Lies of 9/11', a very compelling lecture by Michael Ruppert available on Google video. "The Great Conspiracy" by Barrie Zwicker is solid. Everybody's Got to Learn Sometimes hits a lot of good points. Also, Terror Storm by Alex Jones just came out, and he's good at telling a story. "Improbable Collapse", "Press for Truth", anything by David Ray Griffin. Ya got to see "Loose Change" as its our biggest hit. Once again, each of these movies have their shortcomings, and some include factual errors, but in total you will come to see that the movement in general has a very compelling argument against the validity of the official story.

[Sinti]

18. Welcome to DU truthmover! n/t

[FoxOnTheRun]

4. I don't know

probably Hanni Hanjour in a Boing.
Although he couldn't rent a plane earlier, despite having a license.


The interesting speculation is that the part of the pentagon that was hit was newly renovated and mostly vacant.
Some speculate there was a unit of Naval intelligence, which investigated the missing trillions from the pentagon

They don't even know how much money they have or are spending. The inspector general of the Pentagon said there are 2.3 trillion dollars in items that they can't quite account for. That's not billion. That's trillion dollars. $2.3 trillion -- and the General Accounting Office said there are about $27 billion in inventory items that they can't find. It's not a matter of money -- if the review just results war money put into the pentagon we'll be going in the wrong direction. It's time to move back.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june01/dollars_2-12.html
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050310pentagontrillionslost

The FBI has confiscated 84 cameras, which could show the impact.


I would look at Building 7,PNAC, officials warned or prohibited to fly and those 15 war games on 911.

[mhatrw]

5. The idea that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon is not where to begin

the argument against the officially sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Here are a few much better places to start:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2005-05-22-571pglie.php

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20051205150219651

[Buttercup McToots]

6. I will read all...but

could they have made those people disappear?
I remember that there was a congressman's wife on the plane, wasn't there?
What happened to those people if they weren't killed in that plane crash...
How horrible...

ps...I always get thrown in the dungeon...for posting on the general page.

[FoxOnTheRun]

8. We don't know

Why is everybody asking about plane swaps or disappering persons ? Is this the only question that is asked in the MSM?

[petgoat]

7. I don't claim to know the answer to your questions, Toots.

Most of the presentations seem pretty plausible, and who's got
time to sort out all those conflicting claims?

Besides, Dr. Griffin says the plane/missile controversy is a moot
point because whatever it was should have been shot down by Pentagon
anti-aircraft defenses.


Maybe the 757 hit the Pentagon. If it flew all the way back from Ohio
without being detected, I suppose it could have been flown into the
sea without being detected. I read the civil engineers' report about the
Pentagon damage. In order to explain the dimensions of the damage on the
Pentagon wall they had to suppose that the right wingtip was sheared off
from hitting a generator and the left wingtip was sheared off from hitting
the ground. I've never seen any pictures of a scar on the ground or a
scar on the generator or any wingtip debris anywhere. So I remain open
to the possibility that something smaller than a 757 hit the Pentagon.


It seems like we should be able to get some experts to agree on what
kind of engine that is in the debris pile.



The Scholars for 9/11 Truth have a petition asking for release of surviving
engine parts so serial numbers can be checked.



By all means, watch Loose Change. It raises some interesting questions,
but don't believe everything they say.

[Buttercup McToots]

9. I found this...

There were no people of middle eastern descent on that fight
according to this fella...


http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

[petgoat]

10. Oh but they have the photos of them going through the

security gate at Dulles! Doesn't this look like a middle easterner?




That looks like Hani Hanjour, right?



I guess he used to shave his head to get that much-desired "high forehead"
look.

[Carefulplease]

12. Indeed that probably isn't Hanjour...

See the two last pictures on that page. There is another individual who got trough the gates who is a better match to the real Hanjour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour

[petgoat]

13. No, that's not Hanjour. That's clearly my Uncle Ned.

At least have the decency to run it through The GIMP
and turn up the brightness so you can see what you're
looking at before declaring it Hanjour.

[Carefulplease]

14. Do you have a point? n/t

[petgoat]

15. Yes, your claim that you can see in the dark is an example of

confirmation bias.

[Carefulplease]

17. Did you read what I wrote?

What do you refer to as "my claim that I can see in the dark"?

I said that the other individual seems to be a "better match". This falls short of positive identification. Don't you agree that the match is better? Why did you present the worst match and not mention that there was another candidate in your first post? Maybe you didn't know there was one.

[FoxOnTheRun]

16. Could it be that the FBI

took one picture that was taken some days before?
Is there a time stamp?
Has someone measured the height of the person?

[FourScore]

19. Welcome to DU Buttercup!

I see you have made about the same number of posts as I have.:hi:

This is THE BEST website regarding Flight 77:

www.pentagonresearch.com

Personally, I believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon; but I DON'T think a handful of amateur Arab pilots with boxcutters were solely responsible.

[Sinti]

20. Perhaps Flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon, it's not an impossibility.

FWIW, the speculation that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon has the potential of being a gigantic poisoned pill in the well of truth here. I find it to be a bad area to focus on for this reason among others.

As others have said, there are hard facts to re: 9/11 that are much more compelling than speculative points such as this, which are exciting I suppose, but also are thrown like softballs between "Official Conspiracy Theorists" in their odd game of board tag.

I would hate to see people get all worked up about what hit the Pentagon and then have the videos released showing Flight 77 slamming into it.

[wildbilln864]

21. here's a kick...

and a link!