Was it boxcutters or knives?

[smiley]

I have a question about the weapons used by the hijackers. Lately I've seen some posts on this forum stating they used knives. Not that I 100% trust the media when it comes to reporting about 9/11, but I specifically remember them reporting the hijackers used boxcutters to overtake the plane. What does the OCT say about this and what is the MSM saying these days?

[Sinti]

1. Box-cutters and the threat of bombs, AFAIK

The threat of a bomb alone is enough to hijack a plane. "Everyone sit down and remain calm, we have a bomb on the plane," works like a charm. However, that is not enough to prevent the pilot from punching in the hijack code to let ATC know he's in trouble. Knives/box-cutters, has WMD/was a bad man, face it the MSM doesn't know the difference between their a$$ and a hole in the ground, they're not paid to think only reiterate their daily talking points - except oftentimes KO bless his soul.

[smiley]

2. What did the "the path" say?

I refused to watch it.

[FoxOnTheRun]

3. The media will probably say they used box-cutters.

maybe you watch UA 93 for the official version

In reality there might have been no hijackers on board or as other evidence suggest a gas knocked out all people in the plane and it was flown by remote control

[smiley]

4. refuse to watch that too...

not going to waste 2 hours of my life on something I believe to be propaganda. I have my own opinions/theories about flight 93. Although I won't go into it out of fear of being ridiculed by many here in the dungeon. I'm just trying to find out what the stated weapons of choice are these days.

[FoxOnTheRun]

5. I've heard that there was a call from UA 93

From the toilet, the caller said smoke was coming from on of the engines.

I heard that on the goyette show. I've never heard that anywhere else.
I don't know how low and fast the plane was flying, or if cell phones work in Shanksville.


The best explanation would be a Sidewinder AIM-9 hitting the hottest part of the plane.
The 8 mile debris field suggest the plane disintegrated in mid air.


There is a lot of technology out there the normal public isn't aware of.
The Russians have for example Shkval an underwater torpedo which has rocket engine and produce his own air bubble.
Swedish radar stations have measured Russian aircraft with Mach 25, I've heard they were able to reduce air resistance by ionizing the air in front of them.


Remember SR71 Blackbird is 1950's technology and the B2 is 1970's technology.

What we know is we don't know what happened

[TAM]

6. Low altitude

Based on extrapolation from the released flight data recorder, that call made from teh latrene, was made at a height of between 5,500 and 7,000 feet. It was one of a very few calls that were made from cell phones as opposed to the airfones.

TAM

[Andre II]

15. Burnett

Burnett used his cell phone for his four calls.
The first two ones were at cruising altitude and even higher. The call lasted around 30 seconds each time and wasn't disconnected.

Here detailed infos on the use of cell phones on UA 93:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x48029

[smiley]

7. a little more info than I asked.. but thanks for the input

My original post was wondering what is being reported as the hijackers weapons.

I do have a friend who is a photographer for the greensburg tribune review. He didn't see flight 93 - but he did see another plane in the area shortly after the crash. He was unable to say what type of plane he saw.

- and what is the goyette show?

[FoxOnTheRun]

8. I think it is this one

http://www.1100kfnx.com/goyette.php

I think I heard him have a PM propagandist on his show, the PM guy was pulling one lie after another

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=158

[Andre II]

16. Ed Felt's call

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x39827

[FoxOnTheRun]

18. lies upon lies and the FBI grabbing evidence and sitting on it

the normal procedure.

I don't know what to think.

[BestCenter]

11. O rly?

And maybe holograms were involved.

[FoxOnTheRun]

17. holograms don't look realistic to me

http://www.doubleagent.com/video.php?v=296

http://www.tdfun.com/video/view.php?section=video&id=3214



and all those airplane parts on the street, I think people who claim holograms were involved are not serious about it and disinfo.

[BestCenter]

29. That's the point.

[FoxOnTheRun]

34. You have to realize that not everybody really wants to find the truth

Some are there to just be ridiculed by the media. Like Morgan Reynolds has shown himself in the past, and was promptly cited by the media.

[savemefromdumbya]

28. no holograms

[tenseconds]

39. gas

Your gas theory has some merit. It sure eliminates any unforseen problems with the passengers.

[Sinti]

21. No clue - I didn't see it either, and never will. Cartoon or critters

there's very little else on TV I'm willing to watch.

[philb]

9. I don't think its possible to take over 4 planes with either knives or box

cutters, without the pilots taking any of several actions they could have done but didn't.
This was especially true for the 2 planes where the pilots had been warned about the previous hijackings.
Most pilots agree that it couldn't have happened in the way suggested by the official version of events.

[BestCenter]

10. Let's put it this way:

You are in charge of flying the entire plane, along with your co-pilot. Neither of you are armed. There are three to six guys armed with blade weapons. They are not afraid of you. Would you be willing to risk getting injured in fighting them off, or worse, and thus robbing every passenger on the flight the possibility that they might land safely?

And what if you were a passenger? Would you be willing to rush those guys, maybe in a group at once with other passengers, even if it meant that you'd likely be stabbed? Or one of the other guys? What if there was a chance that they were going to let you go? Why would you take the chance of getting killed prematurely?

[FoxOnTheRun]

14. If the planes were hijacked the pilots can thank FAA

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647

Armed pilots banned
2 months before 9-11
FAA rescinded rule allowing guns in cockpits just before terror attacks
Posted: May 16, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A 40-year-old Federal Aviation Administration rule that allowed commercial airline pilots to be armed was inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, leading aviation security experts to lay at least some of the blame for the tragedy at the feet of airlines, none of which took advantage of the privilege while it was in effect.

[Ezlivin]

23. Attackers would be on the ceiling if the pilot wanted

One simple move with the yoke and all of the attackers would have been helplessly pinned to the ceiling. And regardless of what super-black-martial-arts training they had, they could not overcome physics.

[BestCenter]

31. Tell me something

There were plenty of airplane hijackings pre-9/11. Has that manuever EVER been tried before?

[Ferry Fey]

26. A plane full of passengers who were trained fighters & athletes

And what if you were a passenger? Would you be willing to rush those guys, maybe in a group at once with other passengers, even if it meant that you'd likely be stabbed? Or one of the other guys? What if there was a chance that they were going to let you go? Why would you take the chance of getting killed prematurely?

Flight 93 had thirty seven passengers plus 4 hijackers plus 3 crew. Here are 13 of them whose biographies mention athletic abilities, martial arts skills, or military or police training:

Todd Beamer: college basketball and baseball player (1,2)

Mark Bingham: 6'5" rugby player. Had run with the bulls in Pamploma that summer, and wrestled a gun away from a mugger(7,11)

William Cashman: red belt in karate (5)

Patrick Joseph Driscoll: Korean War veteran. "barrel-chested 6-footer -– had been in more than 100 fights and had won almost all of them. In 1993 Driscoll underwent triple bypass heart surgery. Six months later he went backpacking. He continued to backpack annually, even after a hip replacement in 1998. 'He was extremely strong,' said Maureen Driscoll, his wife of 42 years. 'He swam for exercise and regularly went for walks of 5 to 7 miles, she said, and as far as 10 miles when he was getting ready for a hiking trip.'" (9)

Andrew Garcia: "A sprinter and wrestler at San Jose State, Andy was the runner in the family. Every day of their 32-year marriage, Garcia says, he ran several miles and did a regimen of military calisthenics." (6,12)

Jeremy Glick:6'4" had been a high school wrestler, was a former NCAA judo champion. " His judo went from strength to strength, and he developed a huge frame. As an adult he had to have his suits specially tailored because of the width of his shoulders." (1,2,6, 11)

Linda Gronlund: brown belt in karate (12)

Richard Guadagno: manager of a national wildlife refuge, federal law-enforcement officer, had been trained in close-quarter fighting and antihijacking measures. "The night before, he had packed A SMALL PICKAX into the bag that he would carry on board Flight 93" (1,4,6,7)


LeRoy Homer: First Officer of Flight 93. Air Force Academy graduate, major in the Reserves. (6)

Toshiya Kuge: played American football, soccer (goalie) and was a keen runner (6, 13)

C.C. Lyles: the flight attendant had previously been a police officer and detective for six years (1,3)

Waleska Martinez: played tennis and baseball (6)

Nicole Carol Miller: On high school varsity swim team, played softball all four years of high school, winning a softball college scholarship in her senior year (6)

Louis Nacke, a bodybuilder and "voracious" weightlifter with a Superman tattoo on his arm (1)

Sources:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56223&mesg_id=104557

[BestCenter]

30. Alright, then

Let's put you and a bunch of random people in a situation with a group of thugs armed with box cutters when you least expect it, and the thugs claim that there's a bomb in the vicinity that will go off if you don't follow their every directive. We'll see how well you fare.

And I'm not saying that they never tried rushing the hijackers, nor that they were unsuccessful in stopping them. I'm just saying that in a hostage situation, no hostage is ever very likely to act early on.

[tenseconds]

40. best weapon

The pilot has the best weapon of all.He could have stood hanjour on his head with a 180.

[Nozebro]

12. Why didn't any of the pilots send the hijack signal? Because....

no planes were actually hijacked on 9/11 and no amount of "what ifs", "incompetence", or other excuses can change that simple fact.

[BestCenter]

13. Didn't Flight 175

Send an emergency signal?

[Virginia Dare]

19. As I recall...

the wife of the pilot of Flight 93, while she hasn't said much in the way of details, questions the official accounting of events, even after listening to the tapes of the communications. I think she still does not believe that her husband relinquished controls of the plane.

[Sinti]

22. Plus a bomb threat. The question I have now is, why didn't the pilots key

in the hijack code? I find that very strange. One not doing so is dumb luck, but it appears none of them did. That's ridiculous.

I agree with the pilots, believing the official story really requires a lot of faith - a faith which I am sorely lacking.

[BestCenter]

32. But they did send an emergency signal.

Isn't that close enough? Yes, that is weird they didn't say it was a hijacking, but if it was all automated, or whatever, why would the cabal send an emergency signal?

[Sinti]

33. The pilot sent an emergency signal? n/t

[BestCenter]

35. Flight 175 did, yes.

[Nozebro]

38. How do you know that to be true? Not that it would mean the OCT is

true even if FL 175 did send a hijack signal - but for the record, I'd be interested in knowing where you heard or read that.

[Roachman]

20. From what I understand...

I was hoping there would be a straight-forward response to your question, but there doesn't seem to have been so far.

From what I understand, the original official story was that boxcutters were used, and the reason this was the official story was that boxcutters were thought to be acceptable items to bring onto a plane. Thus, there would be no way to sue the airlines or airport security since it wouldn't have been anyone's fault that acceptable items made it onto the planes.

But then it was discovered that was wrong and that the screeners were supposed to prevent boxcutters from getting onto planes. There has since been some taking back of the boxcutters from more official sources, but it is allowed to live on as a legend since there doesn't appear to be a better story of how the terrorists got into the cockpits -- or at least not a better story that is both plausible and that would not make the airplanes and airport security liable.

That's my understanding anyway... I was hoping someone else could confirm or deny this...

[smiley]

24. that's about as straight forward of an answer I've got so far...

thanks - I never really thought about the liability aspect of this. But makes sense since seeing lately references to knives. Does the 9/11 commission address this. I guess I should read it myself. I do like reading fiction.:sarcasm:

[FoxOnTheRun]

25. They say 77

had box-cutters

[savemefromdumbya]

27. how do you know they used any knives?

there were no hijackers

[leftofthedial]

36. nail clippers

and bottles of water

[FoxOnTheRun]

37. don't forget baby milk