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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:49 PM
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Do you believe Ken Lay is dead?
or am I wild with conspiracies? Now that his conviction has been voided because he died while it was on appeal, therefore the process was not completed and the conviction not upheld--and he could not be re-tried on those charge because of double jeopardy. Bebe Rebozo was found in Cuba, wasn't he??

Convince me otherwise, please!!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:50 PM
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1. Not till I see
his cold dead evil body.:rofl:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:30 AM
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46. You can't. He was cremated. n/t
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:12 PM
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52. Yeah Right - How Convenient
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 06:41 PM
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58. Isn't that the angle they use in the soaps.
Killed off so they can come back to life at a later date.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:51 PM
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Nope. n/t
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:55 PM
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8. I gotta ask "n/t"
have seen many, feel foolish to ask What does it mean?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:57 PM
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12. No/Text...it's like EOM, End of Message
It means there's nothing in the message block, that you've said it all in the subject line.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:58 PM
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15. hallelujah! thanks, and big N/T
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:51 PM
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2. nope.
I didnt when it first happened, and with the recent revelations, I definitely dont.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:51 PM
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3. wonder how I ended up in the election forum with this post?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:28 PM
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43. Yes. I do. n/t
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:51 PM
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4. No.
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Buck Laser Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:52 PM
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5. I saw him just yesterday with Elvis and Amelia Earhart.. nt
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:04 PM
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19. were they on the grassy knoll?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:52 PM
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6. no i don't...n/t
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:54 PM
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7. Who cares? What is more important is what is going to happen
to the people who became royaly screwed?
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:57 PM
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11. From what I hear, they will stay screwed
Did you expect a different result?
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:57 PM
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13. agreed, it is for them that I ask, but
that doesn't change their situations of course. Go after his $ by Mrs. Lay! It was/is a terrible crime and I'm so angry that the "workers" lost their savings/retirement.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:56 PM
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9. Bebe (actually bay-BAY,like baby, not Bee Bee, like everyone said) is dead
He was a Cuban anti-Castro immigrant. He never went back. Died of a stroke in 98 at the ripe age of 85. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19980512/ai_n14155738
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:57 PM
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10. No.
No I don't.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:58 PM
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14. Not so much.
TV dead I guess but not dead dead.

He's sucking air through a reed submerged in a swamp just outside Disney World
where he works days in a Goofy suit.
Or
He's been stashed in the Space Station.
Or
He's being made over as Jimmy Hoffa who will suddenly re appear.

I have no idea I just know his death was way too damn conveeeeenient.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:59 PM
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16. I'll tell you what...
If Ken Lay is dead, then I'm a natural blonde with silvery blue eyes and a peaches and cream complection with a build like Mr Universe...

And I'm a a mixed descent african american female.. So you tell me what I believe..
That SOB is strolling along a beach somewhere near the equator, trust me.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:01 PM
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17. Funny you ask, I was recently thinking the same thing
Hell no I don't believe the bastard is dead
The timing was just too perfect and really covered his assets...kept them from being seized.
There's no way someone that rich, evil, and well connected is going to jail the rest of his life.

I wonder if his wife recently bought a house in a remote part of South America.

Creamated...right.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:06 PM
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23. Bush property in Uruguay
didn't I read/hear something about Bush purchasing property there recently?
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BillORightsMan Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:17 PM
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33. Paraguay
Seems like the BCF bought a WHOLE LOT of land there.

If Kenny isn't pushing up weeds then he's HERE

:patriot:
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:23 PM
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37. AHA!
So that's where the gold under WTC 7 went! (See, I'm just wild with these theories).
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:03 PM
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18. He is not dead.
I saw him two hours ago as I drove under an I-10 overpass in west Houston. He was drinking wine with a couple of homeless guys. I wanted to stop and tell them who he was so they'd quit sharing their hooch with him, but then I figured "Oh what the hell!" Arrogant jackasses like Ken Lay out themselves soon enough without any help from anyone else. I hope they mugged him.

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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:04 PM
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20. great avatar
gonna miss her
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:05 PM
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Don't know, but I bet there are people checking it out. nt
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:05 PM
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21. He's in Paraguay, groundskeeping the new Bush compound til they arrive. nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:20 PM
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36. That's perfect. Paraguay. Learning Spanish, studying the laws
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 10:22 PM by higher class
of the country and how they can be ignored, setting up a mega corporation for the President of Paraguay - in trade. Hanging out with the Reverend. Making new plans for the Southerm half of the Western Hemisphere. What is going to happen there when the earth's pole tilts from all the explosions being set off - is he in a good position? Are there enough nice shopping boutiques after having shopped all earth resources out from under the feet of the indegeneous after announcing where they should go to pay him and the Bush-Moon Dynasty for their water.

How reverent do we need to be to that man who screwed with the income and budgets of businesspeople and private citizens in CA while his employees planned, executed, and sneered at them, stole the pensions of teachers, and messed with his employees lives - along with all his accounting partners..

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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:07 AM
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50. Making new plans for the Southerm half of the Western Hemisphere
Probably already had his new face created and other body modifications done.

Hey - maybe they've got some old Nazi contacts still living down there to help them with their new South American regime. Lot's to plunder down there still.

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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:05 PM
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22. Big Brother says he committed no crime at all. Tell that to the victims.
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:07 PM
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24. No way!
Everyone I talk to thinks I'm completely off the rails, but come on. Do you really think he'd leave his stolen treasures here on earth? He's somewhere in the Caymnans or PARAGUAY cooling his heels. We need to dispatch - strictly for investigative reasons - to all tropic vacation destinations and find that jive turkey.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:08 PM
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25. Now there's a plan
I'll take the Seychelles
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:15 PM
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30. I used to really like that place.
They had an outbreak recently of Chikungunya fever, a real bummer I understand. But it was one of the most beautiful places I ever visited. Of course Diego Garcia was pretty before the Navy had the chance to screw it up, all of those atolls, soon to be hazards to navigation are beautiful places.

snip>
Island disease hits 50,000 people

The authorities are eradicating mosquitoes across Reunion

A crippling mosquito-borne disease is spreading at an accelerating rate on the French Indian Ocean island of Reunion, health officials say.

They say the number of cases of the viral illness, known as chikungunya, had risen to 50,000, an increase of 15,000 in the past week alone.

The disease is not fatal, but those affected suffer high fever and severe pain. There is no cure or vaccine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4674376.stm
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:18 PM
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35. I've never been
just looks and sounds beautiful and remote. If you were Disappearing Ken, where would you be?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:09 PM
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26. Paraguay
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:09 PM
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27. Nope...
Money Talks and Bullshit Walks
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:11 PM
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28. He is sitting on a white sand beach in the Caribbean
Although, he could be down there in Paraguay setting up camp for the arrival of the bu$h clan.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:12 PM
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29. I never believed he died
Why didn't we hear about his funeral? No mention of a memorial either. The news came out he died and the story died along with him. No.....that greedy crook is probably sipping Margarita's in the Bahamas....living the life of Riley like all the crooked repuke criminal thugs do.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:19 AM
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44. Oh they had a funeral
and even Poppy Bush showed up. (No kidding)


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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:21 PM
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53. We Are Supposed To Believe He Was Creamated? No Body Was Shown
Give me a freaking break - now the victims get no claim to the money he stole from them, the po lil family gets to keep it all - total bullshit.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:15 PM
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31. And Mrs. Lay?
Will she "disappear" in a year or two, or did she sacrifice the needs of one for the needs of many? lol
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:20 AM
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45. I'd watch out for her real estate transactions
If she suddenly decides she doesn't like living in the US anymore that would be a major red flag.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:16 PM
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32. Paraguay on a donkey n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:17 PM
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34. No, and I'd love to the one to expose the sham of his death.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:29 PM
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38. Mais non!
Absolument pas. Absolutely not.
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yellowdoggess Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:37 PM
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39. last comment, then nightie-night
There was very strong connection between Lay and Bush, of course--but that seems to be dropping off the radar when reviewing the litany of Bush bull**. A perfect example of their disdain for and war on the middle class (or basically everyone not in their club). Just want it to stick and only wish there was some way to provide some benefit for those that suffered from their crimes.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:42 PM
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40. How much would it take to bribe the coroner in Aspen?
Kenny Boy took home $275 million from Enron, and I'm not talking about deflated stock, either. I'm talking bucks.

If he could avoid prison and a lot of restitution, doncha think he could come up with half a mil or a mil to the coroner and maybe one or two confederates, to have them say he's dead?

I think he could've. Or, hell, there are other ways of persuasion used by those with no scruples.

I think it IS possible he's dead, but a lot of the timing and stuff that happened right around his purported death just seemed a little off key. It didn't smell right to me.

Like Bush, Lay has always been good at spin. It can take you far, apparently.

The really curious thing would be whether he had plastic surgery, and any other physical alteration -- hair dye or transplant, whatever. He got pretty notorious during that trial, and during the bankruptcy, so a LOT of people know what he looks like.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:14 PM
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41. They didn't let me stick a pin in him, so no, I don't.
I'm from Missouri ;)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:15 PM
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42. Nope - not at all - the recent exhoneration support me on this.
He's laughing all the way to the bank in his new haven...
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:34 AM
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47. It is suspicious
I wonder if it was his lawyer that asked for his convictions be wiped from the record. Is it normal for Judges to wipe criminal records (upon death of convict& before appeal process) independently?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:43 AM
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48. Ken Lay is alive; Mohammed Atta is alive
Ken Lay was one of the boys... He is probably called Len Kay now
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:05 AM
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49. Lay dead: Nope. Paraguay: Probably. nt
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:11 PM
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51. No - I Wondered How Long It Would Take This To End Up Here
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tenseconds Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:36 PM
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54. offed
Ken Lay was offed. He outlived his usefullness. Dead people don't talk.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 01:09 AM
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55. no
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:29 PM
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56. Ken Lay I do not believe is dead, but then we have no way to
...prove he alive either. Heart failure was just too convenient right before sentencing and then to have all charges dismissed against him posthumously is very suspect especially with so much money involved. It could all be a scam.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:44 PM
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57. Smart move on Laay's part, he saw what was coming and kept 44 mil to boot!
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