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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:09 AM
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Remains from WTC Site Found in Manhole
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ATTACKS_REMAINS?SITE=PAGRE&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Remains from WTC Site Found In Manhole

By MARCUS FRANKLIN
Associated Press Writer
Oct 20, 2:11 AM EDT


NEW YORK (AP) -- Human remains that appear to be from World Trade Center victims were found by utility workers in a manhole at the northern edge of the site, a Port Authority official said Thursday.

A Consolidated Edison crew doing excavation of the manhole at street level found the remains, some as big as arm or leg bones, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site.

Con Ed said it entered the site Wednesday to remove material from two manholes that had been damaged and abandoned after the 2001 collapse of the twin towers...

Five years after 2,749 people died in the Sept. 11 World Trade Center attacks, families of about 1,150 victims still do not know whether their loved ones' remains were recovered.

During the excavation of the 110-story twin towers, which began the evening of the attacks and lasted for nine months, about 20,000 pieces of human remains were found. The DNA in thousands of those pieces, many small enough to slip into a test tube, was too damaged by heat, humidity and time to yield matches in the many tests forensic scientists have tried over the years...

"We've got a problem right now," Wolf said. "Where else are we going to find them next?"




People forget NYC was a War Zone...and one not even properly cleaned up!


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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 02:57 AM
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1. Now, how are we suppose to believe that happened?
"small enough to slip into a test tube". What did that?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 08:08 AM
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2. So what do you believe happened to the 1,150
people not identified? Why is it improbable that some remains were in small pieces?
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:25 PM
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5. A simple question
In your opinion, LARED, how would body parts end up under a manhole that was presumably closed during the respective collapses of the towers?

I have my own theory, but it is, of course, a "theory".

I am interested in your own particular theory about how such a thing happened.

Thanks in advance!
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:18 PM
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8. LOL, you asked Lared for an opinion??
Don't hold your breath.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:48 PM
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10. An opinion sure, no problem
From the link

Meanwhile, 36 more bone fragments were found Tuesday in subterranean cavities along the edge of the site as workers continued burrowing into areas that were apparently missed during the initial cleanup.

Sounds to me like they entered through a manhole into subterranean cavities, where they found remains.

Lots of options exist.

People trapped, animals moved the fragments, underground flooding after the collapse relocated the fragments to name a few. How about the collapse pushing air through the underground cavities and depositing remains. I am simply wondering why someone finds nefarious actions were at play. We know so little about the area or its location to know much how easy or complex it would have been for remains to wind up there.

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:36 AM
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11. You are correct
that we don't know enough about the area to accurately guess why the remains ended up there. However, I find it reprehensible that the area was obviously not treated as a crime scene. Had it been treated as such, the remains would have been located much, much sooner.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:31 AM
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12. Still doesn't explain the bone fragments on rooftops
"NEW YORK (AP) - Nearly 300 more human bone fragments were recovered in the past four days from the roof of a skyscraper badly damaged by the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the World Trade Center, officials said Thursday."

"he bone fragments, most less than 1/16 of an inch long, were found in gravel that had been raked to the sides of the roof of the 41-story skyscraper,.."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/04/more_wtc_bone_f.html


Lared, are you going to blame it on the wind again?
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:30 PM
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6. So, do you have an alternate explanation for how those particular

remains could have possibly been found in such small pieces, under a manhole, and considering all the eyewitness accounts of explosions in various places in the WTC?
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:40 AM
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13. Examine the evidence (multiple choice)
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 11:46 AM by hpot
What kind of force can...

Break your bones into little pieces less than 1/16 of an inch long and throw it a few hundred feet across the street onto another building?

Reference:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/04/more_wtc_bone_f.html

1.) Air Pressure

2.) Explosive

3.) Gravity

4.) Other



(What happened to the soft tissue?)
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:48 PM
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3. This could be an important clue
Let's hope the legal requirements for a crime scene investigation are followed this time around!

What were all these people doing under the manhole? How did they die? There's no excuse for not doing the CSI right this time around.
We've seen the disasterous consequences of doing wrong or not at all.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:02 PM
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4. This is worth watching!
This may shed a light on the explosives going off in the basements of the WTC buildings...and the attempted cover-up of the explosive story.

Perhaps some New Yorkers in this forum have something to add here???
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:59 PM
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7. Can the bone fragments be tested for the residue of explosives?
Or can they be examined to determine the temperatures to which they were exposed?

I don't watch CSI.

:)

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:22 PM
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9. Wow, wonderful question!
Who knows...maybe more information could be revealed there.
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atomic-fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:54 PM
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14. Excellent question...Kick!
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:17 PM
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15. If it's possible to test them, they'll just figure out a good lie to tell the public.

The U.S. Gov't has never told the truth about ANY of its False Flag operations, and it's naive to think they will with regard to 9/11.
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