Hunt the Boieing III-- WTC2 Edition!

[spooked911]

http://htbwtc2.blogspot.com/

Enjoy!
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[William Seger]

1. So, this is just a game to you?

Who's winning?

[mirandapriestly]

2. It does not make sense

The only thing that tells us it was a plane is that we are told it was a plane by media & some witnesses, but not all, a dearth of plane parts, at least that I have seen and why are those roof top plane parts not damaged more or scorched? and wouldn't that engine be hot?
What adds to the unlikelihood is that both buildings have planes enter in the same way and leave the same approximate silhouette and don't fall down to the street from the entrance, how likely is it that both would happen so similarly? also on the North tower "hit" you can see the top floors exploding so it is obvious that there were explosives.

[DrDebug]

3. Did a cut out of a plane get blown out of WTC2 first?

Did the cut out of a plane get blown out first?

Photography taken by David Handshuh (Photographer for New York Daily News)

Testimony of David Handshuh:
I didn’t see the plane hit, although I was looking at the tower at the time. I have no recollection of pushing the button, hitting the shutter, making the picture that appeared on Page 2 of the Daily News the next day, a picture that was taken milliseconds after the second plane hit that tower.
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=4318

Taken from:
http://www.81x.com/TruthExplosion/no_plane

Veni, Vidi, Fuji

[DrDebug]

4. Fuji Bank evacuated their offices, yet the management stayed behind

Delay meant death on 9/11
By Martha T. Moore and Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

(...)

Some executives died because they stayed to help evacuate their offices. At Fuji Capital Markets, three managers who saw the explosion in the north tower raced through the 80th floor trading room, where no one had seen anything. "It's a bomb! Get out! Get out!" Keiji Takahashi, 42, screamed. The trading floor emptied, and its 120 employees survived, but Takahashi and the other managers were not seen again.

(...)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-02-choices-usat_x.htm

The number of victims at 9/11 varies from 9 to 15 according to the source, however how come so many were Japanese? And why didn't the managers evacuate?

FOCUS: 'Requiem for Innocent Victims' composed, 5 years after 9/11
NEW YORK, Sept. 11 KYODO

(...)
Of the 24 Japanese victims, 12 were Fuji Bank workers.
(...)

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/index.php?storyid=270430

List of confirmed Fuji Bank employees:
1. Patrick Adams, security officer, Fuji Bank (link)
2. Taizo Ishikawa, Japanese, New York branch general manager (link)
3. Brian T. Thompson, vice president, human resource (link)
4. Charles Gregory John, Mandel Securties, assigned to Fuji Bank. (link)
5. Irina Buslo, administrative assistant (link)
6. John Andreacchio, human resources (link)
7. Manuel Gomez, vice president (link)
8. ] Toshihiro Onda, Japanese, corporate banking senior manager (link)
9. Takashi Makimoto, Japanese, general manager (link)
10. Soichi Numata, Japanese, deputy general manager (link)
11. Adianes Oyola, human resources/payroll employee (link)
12. Robert Eddie Murphy, security guard (link)
13. Alisha Caren Levin, vice president for human resources (link)
14. Keiji Takahashi, Japanese, manager, listed as Mizuho Capital Markets Corp (link)
15. Yugi Goya, Japanese, vice president, listed as Mizuho Capital Markets Corp (link)
16. Masuru Ose, Japanese, manager, listed as Mizuho Capital Markets Corp (link)
17. Takashi Kinoshita, Japanese, manager, president, listed as Mizuho Capital Markets Corp (link)

According to the confirmed list there were 17, however two were security guards who worked for another company, so 15 is correct. However only 6 were Japanese, so the Kyodo story is incorrect.

The man who must have seen plane debris. Brian Clark, executive vice president of Euro Brokers, one of the four survivors above the impact zone who survived by ignoring advice not to go down.

Brian Clark, the man who was in the Fuji Bank offices after impact

Four survived by ignoring words of advice
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

Call it The Great Escape. Only four people survived above the 78th floor in the south tower. They did it by acting against the advice of others and going down the stairs through smoke and debris.

(...)
Five Euro Brokers colleagues walked with Clark into the hall, turned left and entered Stairway A.

At the 81st floor, they met an obese woman and a frail man walking up. "You can't go down," the woman said. "The floors are in flames. We have to get above the smoke and fire."

(...)
As his friends climbed, Clark and co-worker Ronald DiFrancesco continued down. Clark heard banging from inside Fuji Bank's wrecked office.

"Help! I'm buried! Can anybody help?" yelled Stanley Praimnath, a loan officer. Clark pulled him from the rubble and they walked down together.
(...)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-escape.htm

Stanley Praimnath was part of the Evangelist crowd. He says that he saw "American Airlines" hit the tower and saw the plane, however the plane was United Airlines. Assemblies of God News Service does say United Airlines, however he testifies to seeing red letters on the tail and wings and United is blue.

United Airlines' new logo

United Airlines' old logo

Subject: Survivor account of World Trade Center attac
** SURVIVING THE 81ST FLOOR OF WORLD TRADE TOWER TWO

Delise and Stanley got on the elevator and went down to the 78th floor. Some other people were there. The company's president, the CEO, the human resources director and two other gentlemen joined the group and headed down to the concourse level of Two World Trade Center.

If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their lives would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it happened. "As soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped us and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the fire in Tower One.

According to Stanley, the guard said, "Oh, that was just an accident. Two World Trade is secured. Go back to your office."

(...)

But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight for him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley.

(...)

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor1.htm

Brian hasn't mentioned anything about plane debris in the Fuji Bank offices either and it is strange that they manage to pass through their offices because that would mean that the fire wasn't that hot or extensive yet.

BTW: How come Brian Clark didn't testify at the 9/11 Omission?

Edit: Four employees were listed as Mizuho and not as Fuji

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. How come so many were Japanese?

One thing I've observed about the Japanese people I met back when my SO was delivering Japanese newspapers to businesses in Downtown Manhattan, was they take work very seriously. They work all the time, even on holidays. When the rest of the city was a ghost town, you would still find these guys working away in their offices. One of the reasons, is that to come to America to work for a Japanese firm was considered a great privilege. You had to pretty much give up any personal life you may have in order to come here and you had to agree to all sorts of restrictions on your private life. I'm not surprised that even with bombs going off, that the managers would still stay at their jobs.

[quickesst]

6. Last few days...

I've seen a lot of talk about employees escaping in elevators. I am wondering how they survived when the shafts were full of exploding airplane fuel. You know, the fuel that poured down the shafts, exploded, and weakened all the steel below the impact area? Emergency kerosene resistant scuba suits? Good Grief. Thanks.
quickesst

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. There was only one or two elevators

that had explosions reported. There was over 100+ elevators in each building. There are reports of a fair number of survivors using the elevators to get out of the buildings if they were below the impact zone.

[quickesst]

18. Thanks.

Lots of elevators. I had a brain fart when I posted. But the fuel down the elevaor shafts and claimed results are still bogus.
quickesst

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. I seriously doubt that any such thing happened

Most of the jet fuel burnt off in the spectacular fire balls and the rest probably turned into mist that sprayed the floors in the impact zone.

If any liquid was running down the walls and elevators shafts it was more likely water from the plumbing and holding tanks for the fire surpressions systems.

[DrDebug]

7. It's still a dubious "Japanese" bank

Fuji Bank is a strange bank as well. Not only did they do banking for Iran-Contra, I just looked up their headquarters and guess what, it's all off-shore and they are not even registered in Japan despite being their 6th largest bank before their merger:

Fuji Bank headquarters

Po Box 26899 Manama, Bahrain

Gloucester Tower, Central District, Hongkong

Roywest House, West Bayroad, P.O.Box 707, Grand Cayman

Jalan Merdeka, Labuan (I didn't even know that that country exists, it's just 75 km2 and still home to 1,160 international corporations including Marsh)

29, av. de la Porte Neuve, Luxembourg

Valero St.Cor.Villar St Makati, Philippines

Raffles Place #20-00, Singapore

Paradeplatz 6, Zurich, Switzerland

http://www.transnationale.org/companies/fuji_bank.php

Funny choice of headquarters...

[hack89]

8. Fuji bank doesn't exist anymore as an independent entity

Fuji Bank, Ltd (formerly Yasuda Bank, now part of Mizuho Financial Group)

Founded by Yasuda Zenjiro in 1864 as a money-exchange business that became Yasuda Bank in 1880. Became Fuji Bank in 1948, when it held the largest deposits of any bank in Japan. Opened its first overseas branch in London in 1952 and became the first Japanese bank listed on the London Stock Exchange in 1987. Had some 300 domestic branches but less than 50 abroad following closures in the US. Services included commercial and investment banking, leasing and securities-related business. Japan's sixth-largest bank, in 2002, consolidated with the Industrial Bank of Japan and Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank to form the Mizuho Financial Group, Japan's second-largest bank. Corporate headquarters are in Tokyo.

http://www.japan-zone.com/modern/company1.shtml

I think you have misinterpreted your link - your snip lists it's major over seas offices. That same page also shows that it is fully owned by Mizuho Financial Group whose headquarters is in Japan.

There is nothing unusual about Fuji bank.

[DrDebug]

9. Go away there is nothing to see here

That billion dollar account of Barry Seal at Fuji Bank was irrelevant.

The joint venture with Wolfensohn was irrelevant.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. I agree, Fuji Bank certainly is dubious

but it still doesn't surprise me that a bunch of their Japanese managers would stay behind in their offices, even with the world falling apart around them.

Sort of like what happened to all those folks who worked for Marsh that got killed. To the planners, they were just collateral damage and small price to pay for the bigger payoffs that came after the attack.

Same thing with the firefighters, that Bernie Kerik didn't bother to notify to get out of the buildings. I think Bernie and Rudy knew they were sending these men to their deaths, but they needed them dead for the emotional impact it would have on the rescue and clean up operations later. It sure made it a lot easier to destroy the crime scene evidence, because they finding people's remains was a higher priority.

[DrDebug]

11. I'm not saying that those Japanese managers knew about it

It is very likely that hardly anybody inside the buildings knew a thing. The people who planned it were not in the buildings and that probably applies to all participants.

As far as Fuji Bank goes, it would be their relationships with the CIA/Poppy Bush during Iran-Contra, because it stands to reason that the immense bank account of Barry Seals were the drug proceeds which needed to be cleaned to finance Iran-Contra. Sadly it is unclear how the money got to Fuji Bank and how it would get to I.C., Inc. which was the company Oliver North used to finance the contras. Sadly Barry was not allowed to explain himself nor did anybody take a close look how the drug money got to the contras, because it stands to reason that Fuji played a major role in transfering that money. Probably with a number of other intermediates.

Another reason is their close relationship with the World Bank (Fuji-Wolfensohn and Wolfensohn was still President of the World Bank during 9/11) and the Federal Reserve. And of course The Fuji Fire and Marine Insurance Co which is joint venture between Fuji Bank and American International Group and Greenberg family members are a central theme in the World Trade Center.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. I got to see it first hand

how easy it was to get the banks in Miami to help launder money. Amazing to watch bankers jump through hoops when you call up and say, hey I've got a 100 grand in cash I need help with. I'm sure Fuji was one of many. Of course there's the whole Savings and Loan scandal that BushCo used to help finance Iran-Contra.

[KJF]

13. You ask:

This picture shows WTC2 right after a Boeing 767-200 supposedly hit the tower. Is this what you would expect to see if a huge plane going several hundred miles per hour smashed into a massive steel-framed building?

I reply: Yes. What would you expect? A bigger or smaller hole? This is a serious question, please answer it.

btw, I disbelieve anybody who uses words like "massive" and "huge" on principle.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. I would expect to see

pieces of an actual airplane inside and outside the building.

There are some good close ups of the hole. No signs of a plane in any of them.

[KJF]

16. I'm intersted in the size of the hole at the moment

You're saying the hole is the "right" size or not?

[Nozebro]

17. So, you wouldn't expect to see AIRPLANE parts after a crash?

If there's no airplane parts when a plane crashes, that would undermine the notion that a plane DID crash there. Parts that were later discovered but aren't seen in what is alleged to be video of the crash itself, are automatically and rightly discounted as being planted.

[The Straight Story]

20. My best friend in NYC saw the plane hit, and

our HR person at the company I am at now worked at WTC 1 and saw the second plane hit as well.

Where do folks come up with this shit?

[planeman]

21. I also saw the 2nd plane hit from the west side highway.

I agree that the shit these conspiracy theorists come up with is absolutely shit.There were hundredes of people who saw that plane hit.
Although I did not see the first plane hit ,I heard it approach and hit.
End of story.

[Klimmer]

22. "No-planers" in the 9/11 Truth Movement need to think just a little . . .

I'm all for looking at all possibilities, but when the evidence is overwhelming and without a doubt, then you just need to drop it. Evidence that invalidates a hypothesis or theory, then does just that --- it invalidates it. Time to move on and look at what the evidence does support. That is the way science works.

The "No-plane" theories have got to be a decoy to confuse the weak minded, and people in the 9-11 Truth movement have fallen for so obviously a boon-dogle and major false lead.

Two very large jet aircraft did indeed hit the WTC Towers 1 and 2. Now were they the actual passenger flights we have been told they were or were they replaced with similar make and model RC drones or other similar jet aircraft but different? Now, that is all to be determined.

But to pursue "No-plane" theory just makes the 9-11 Truth Movement look just a tad silly, and that I believe is it's intention. Move on people to what the evidence does support.