Should we re-open the 9/11 investigation?

[Quixote1818]

There was so little money spent on the initial investigation and there are so many big questions left. I think the 9/11 investigation should be re-opened with a budget of at least a $50 million. If we can spend close to 30 million investigating a blow job we most certainly can spend that much investigating one of the biggest tragedies on American soil.

What do you think?

[me b zola]

1. Many 9/11 families want it to be re-opened

I also believe that it should be re-opened. Anytime there has been an investigation and it comes to light that there was untruthful testimony given I believe that the matter must be re-examined.

[Quixote1818]

2. The Co-Chair of 9/11 Commission said they were "set up to fail"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPPIef68xJw

[nam78_two]

3. We did spend a lot to investigate a blow job

This seems a little more important.

[wildbilln864]

4. initial investigation!?

whitewash you mean! By the crooks themselves!

[wildbilln864]

5. and by the way...

K&R!

[leftofthedial]

6. re-OPEN? We need to have one period.

It was never really "open" in the first place. The 9-11 Commission was just a forum for all the DC political factions to cover their asses.

[wildbilln864]

7. it didnt take long ...

did it?
We just can't talk about 911 in any other forums. Most anything else but not this.
I could maybe understand it if these threads were listed in the latest and greatest forums when ever they qualified.

[Name removed]

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[HamdenRice]

9. Why re-open? The OCTers and OCTabots have it all figured out

The 9/11 Commission explains everything. The Bush administration may be incompetent, but certainly not evil, and its members would never, ever do anything that would lead to such a massive loss of life. Moreover, governments never lie about matters of such importance.

Q.E.D.

:sarcasm:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

11. A strawman fallacy?

In the 9/11 forum? Who'da thunk it. :D

[Anarcho-Socialist]

10. It would be a good idea

Although I suspect that incompetence will likely be found rather than a grand NWO uber-conspiracy.

[screembloodymurder]

12. An independent investigation by experts not politicians.

Bush should have no say in the panel participants and a special prosecutor should be empowered to subpoena any witnesses and any evidence.

[DrDebug]

13. Here! Here! No politicians allowed and no CFR members either!

My personal opinion is that that we should begin with: Rudy Giuliani, Marsh & McLennan Companies, Naval Reconnaissance Office, Larry Silverstein, Paul Bremer, Fuji Bank, Deutsche Bank, Jerome Hauer. And just follow that trail(blazer)...

Edit: Add Cantor Fitzgerald to the list as well, since they killed 810 of their employees...

[hack89]

14. It will never happen.

Since the Democrats are somewhat complicit in 911 why would they want to expose themselves to potential embarrassment?

Unless you believe that this elaborate plot involving several government agencies was conceived and executed in the short time between Bush's election and 911, it would seem to me that Bill Clinton (and by extension Hillary) would have to answer some tough questions on how they let a government conspiracy to murder Americans happen under their very noses. It would certainly be a poor reflection on the Clinton appointees who ran the DoD, Justice Department and CIA.

And if the 9/11 commission was a white wash designed to hide the truth, wouldn't the fact that it was a bi-partisan commission containing prominent Democrats be reason enough for the present Democratic leadership to reject a real investigation into 9/11?

[Generarth]

15. The Blow Job Investigation was part of the groundlaying for 9/11

To get their man into DC.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. To get rid of the special prosecutor

[Independent_Liberal]

16. Yes, I want new investigations.

What needs to happen:

1.) Newly elected New York Governor Eliot Spitzer needs to get his Attorney General to empanel an Independent Grand Jury and appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the events in New York City. This includes the WTC EPA case, insurance fraud and other unsolved crimes.

2.) The House and Senate need to do investigations into the following:

Sibel Edmonds FBI whistleblower case
Greenberg Traurig
AIG
Enron
WorldCom
Bank of America
Energy Task Force
Cover-ups of pre-9/11 intelligence
9/11 Commission cover-ups
9/11 Commission members with ties to oil companies and lobbyists
Key witnesses left out of the official 9/11 Report
Anthrax attacks on Congress
Illegal arms trafficking
Drug trafficking
Money laundering
9/11 related corruption in government offices
Cover-ups involving Congress people, Federal Judges and DOJ personnel
Corruption surrounding Supreme Court Justices
DC 9 and the 5.5 tons of cocaine
Christine Todd Whitman and the EPA
Money from foreign entities funneled to Congress people and Pentagon and State Department personnel
FBI wiretap translations
Pre-9/11 insider trading
NORAD tapes
Pentagon tapes
Manipulation of pre-9/11 FBI intercepts
Hastert-Abramoff-Turkey-Israel-MIC Inc.-Brewster Jennings-Livingston Group-American Turkish Council-AIPAC-Feith-Perle connections
FBI forgeries
Actions by the White House Communications Agency (WHCA) before and after 9/11
Larry Silverstein
Paul Bremer
Destruction of 9/11 FAA tapes
Domestic espionage
Hastert's ties to Turkish spies and al Qaeda drug money
DeLay's misuse of the FAA and the DHS, his trips to Russia and the people who turned up dead in his district
Titan Corporation's involvement in the Cunningham/Wilkes scandal and how it corrupted the defense and intelligence agencies
DeLay-Abramoff-Kidan-SunCruz-Boulis-Mob-Atta connections
Espionage in the Abramoff and Cunningham scandals linked to the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program and COINTELPRO
Group W Advisors
Archer Logistics
ACDS Inc.
Pakistan-ISI connections
Saudi-Binladen Group (SBG) connections
Defense contractors
Enron Afghani pipeline deals
The death of Enron executive Cliff Baxter
Arthur Anderson's destruction of Enron documents
Penetration of the FBI, State Department and Pentagon
Turkish spies infiltrating the government
The Boulis mob hit
Kidan's ties to a Sicilian mafia figure
The identification of Atta by "Able Danger"
That massive FBI cover-up in Florida exposed by an Army Intel Unit
Terrorists at casinos in Las Vegas before 9/11
Abramoff's ties to Turkey, Israel and Pakistan
Laundered Casino Money
Foreign Influence Peddling
Ties to the Russian government
Saudi money
Penetration of that FBI New York Field Office by an Iranian Rouge Agent
Homeland Security rackets
John O'Neill's murder
Melek Can Dickerson and the American Turkish Council
Cases reported by John M. Cole
Pre-9/11 terrorism cases including the Ramzi Yousef/Bojinka Two case and the Ali Mohamed case
Zeliow and the 9/11 Commission
Weapons sales on the nuclear black market

3.) The current 9/11 Commission needs to be overhauled and all the past and current members need to testify under oath before the House Committees and Subcommittees on Judiciary, Intelligence, National Security, International Relations, etc. A new independent investigation should be installed as wanted by the Jersey girls.

4.) People who should be subpoenaed in these investigations include:

Sibel Edmonds
FBI agents who want to testify about their anti-terrorist investigations before 9/11
The CIA person who delivered the 8-6 PDB to W and was told "OK, you've covered your ass."
Indira Singh
Cheney's young man who asked "do the orders still stand?"
The pilot and crew of the C-130H that was on both the Pentagon and Shanksville crash scenes
The FAA flight controllers whose audio tape was destroyed
CIA agent Larry Mitchell
Dr. Terry Callaway
experts from Raytheon on remote controlled aircraft
The Pentagon employee who told John Judge there were missiles at the Pentagoon
Secret Service agents who decided to let Bush stay in the classroom in Florida
General Mahmoud Ahmad
The FDNY chiefs who reported structural damage to WTC7
The FDNY personnel in the video who said "Move out, there's a bomb in the building"
The FDNY official who reported explosions to the news media in live TV reports
The engineer who ordered the WTC steel destroyed
The owners of the mob-connected scrap yards that recycled some "stolen" steel
The ASCE investigators who rejected the FDNY claims of WTC7 structural damage
William Rodriguez
Indira Singh's colleague from the FBI who testified to the 9/11 Commission
Condi Rice
George Tenet, Porter Goss, Sen. Bob Graham
Jamie Gorelick
Members of the 9/11 Commission staff who were suspicious of Cheney's account of 9/11
Philip Zelikow
Personnel who collected body parts and DNA samples from the Pentagon
Witnesses to the helicopter flying around the Pentagon just before the attack
Family members of aircraft passengers which family members have never applied for
compensation from the victims compensation fund
Rudy Giuliani
Security personnel at the WTC (about the powerdown)
Scott Forbes
Security Personnel at WTC7
The alarm company at WTC7 (turned the fire alarms to TEST mode early the morning of 9/11)
NIST personnel working on the WTC7 report
Dr. Steven Jones
The authors of the FEMA Appendix C metallurgical analysis of the evaporated steel
Myers, Eberhardt, Rummy
Sen. Mark Dayton
The Able Danger guys
Colleen Rowley
Kenneth Williams
David Schippers
Frasca and Maltbie
Robert Wright
Richard Clarke
Norman Mineta
Tugboat/barge personnel who transferred the steel to Fresh Kills
Fresh Kills personnel who saw the steel
Ground Zero clean up personnel
WTC7 cleanup personnel
Thomas Eagar
Civil Engineers who reported on the Pentagon
Ali Mohammed
Patrick Fitzgerald
Peter Lance
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
Abdul Hakim Murad
Ramzi Yousef
Daniel Pearl's wife
Bill Burkett
Marian Knox
Ahmed Chalabi
The CEO's of all the oil companies again but this time they get put under oath
Same for the tobacco CEOs
Mark Foley
Jack Abramoff

[wildbilln864]

17. kicked...

:hi:

[John Q. Citizen]

18. We need a grand jury and a prosecutor with subpoena powers. n/t