What ever became of those guys anyway?

[wildbilln864]

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[mirandapriestly]

1. Interesting you should bring that up,

I came across that site that points out the incongruities in the film and was looking at it. I think it's weird that they just sort of disappeared from site. maybe they went back to their "real" jobs, if you know what I mean. I think it is totally weird that James Hanlon was a firefighter and also has an actor page on imdb, with a fair amount of credits. He is the one who started it with them. That Tony guy gives me the creeps. It probably wouldn't be too hard to find out if he still works there.

[piobair]

4. before you bring up

Foreknowledge you should look at some other threads by the author where he claims that the FDNY knew about the attacks and were complicit in the deaths of 343 of their own. He specifically claims that Chief Pfeiffer knew but sent his own son to be killed in the tower collapse. The author knows absolutley nothing about Fire department operations but insists he sees sinister clues in every grainy piece of footage he can find.

[mirandapriestly]

5. Your ad hominem attack is worthless because

people can check out themselves what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with that page author's other work. The fact is "Tony" is talking about the Pentagon hit 10 minutes before it happened.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

9. The reputation and past works of the author

do having a bearing on the credibility of the piece.

[piobair]

10. There is nothing in that clip

that indicates when Tony spoke those words. You only hear his voice and don't see his face when the words are uttered. Also, the picture on the screen is still of the WTC. There is no way to determine at what time Tony mentions the Pentagon and given the Foreknowledge websites track record I'd be willing to bet the farm that it's crap.

[mirandapriestly]

12. He is talking over the soundtrack at 9:31.eom

[piobair]

13. how can you tell

that his words weren't inserted then?

[mirandapriestly]

2. Tony and the Clock

I came across this page when reading about the Naudet's and found something interesting. On the video you can see Tony talking about the Pentagon hit when the clock says 9:31 which is , of course, before it happens. But the clock could be wrong, although I doubt it in a firehouse, so the author say he needs to find the footage of what they are saying on the tv to show that the time is 9:31. I didn't find the footage, but I found the transcript and the time is 9:31. The only problem is we don't see Tony as he speaks although they are filming him and the tv and he is talking over the tv, which is , like I said 9:31. Here is the "Tony and the Clock":
http://911foreknowledge.com/tony/clocks.htm
The voice is saying: "Officials are calling this an act of terrorism", and "clearly not an accident,etc..." he thought it was Aaron Brown talking. Also the "plume of smoke" you can hear is at 9:31. It looks like David Ensor not Brown was the speaker, though. Although Brown's voice can be heard at that time.

DAVID ENSOR, CNN CORRESPONDENT:... Unfortunately, the amount of detail that the officials are tracking this have is pretty sketchy at this point. But I was just saying that officials are calling this an act of terrorism. They're saying that's clearly what it, clearly not an accident. ...
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.02.html

Looking around on those transcripts is pretty interesting , the first witness (from the Air Force) at the pentagon said he saw a helicopter disappear over the building then an explosion, no plane, funny how many saw no plane....

[Anarcho-Socialist]

3. Wait a minute...

...I thought you guys complained about being compared to the "no-planes" crowd. Or are you "just asking questions?"

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[mirandapriestly]

7. Better than being associated with the Bush administration

whose version of events you defend.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

8. Gone right for the strawman, I see

I could compare you with the anti-Semitic nutjobs who also believe in MIHOP, but undoubtedly you'd think that was unfair and a strawman comparison. Do you see the point I'm making?

[mirandapriestly]

11. No, CNN announced that a "senior white house official"

had declared 9-11 a "terrorist attack" before the Pentagon was blown up. There has never been a trial or investigation either, so the 19 hijackers is a conspiracy theroy and it comes from The Bush administation. It's that simple.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

15. the "Pentagon was blown up?"

Is that more demolition talk?

[greyl]

14. He defends the Kucinich version.

Any evidence for your accusation that he's a bush sympathizer?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

16. and the Noam Chomsky version...

...hell, the academic/intellectual Left version.