Has this forum influenced the way you think about 9/11?

[Grateful for Hope]

I have been reading this forum for quite some time now, and, it occurs to me that I do not see any appreciable shifts in thinking among the principle posters.

This observation led me to wondering if this forum largely serves as merely a place to try to prove one's point of view.

I decided to put my observation to the test.

I hope that lurkers as well as posters here will respond to this survey.

Question: Has this forum influenced the way you think about 9/11?


Thanks in advance!!

[John Q. Citizen]

1. I've learned a lot here, mostly from people who are

LIHOP or MIHOP who post interesting articles and links.

I've also learned something about the personality types of those who defend the (9/11 commission report.

[Grateful for Hope]

2. Thanks, JohnQ

Would you say that what you have learned here has reinforced your initial beliefs about 9/11?

[John Q. Citizen]

3. I'd say it has deepened my understanding of the issues yet unresolved and

it has given me new ways to interpret the events leading up to the attacks as well as what followed.

[Grateful for Hope]

4. Thanks again!

I agree about the info concerning the events leading up to 9/11 in particular. Those threads (Dr. Debug's, for instance) do not seem to generate discussion of opposing viewpoints as much as those concerning, say, CD of the WTC.

Perhaps the greatest benefit of this forum is the passing on of historical information that can be verified.

[mirandapriestly]

5. I kind of like the way there are more moderate 9-11ers

on this forum because when something unsubstantiated is posted it gets called out and so there aren't a lot of disproved rumors being repeated. The more I read and look at videos and pictures, though, the more extreme I've become in my views, as to just how much about 9-11 is false, especially now that the "As It happened" videos are available and I don't want them to think I'm kooky. The links provided are so good, though, like the recent Nafeez Ahmed one, I never would have found that...
Those who claim not to doubt anything about the 9-11 story strain credulity with me and have an adverse effect on my opinion of 9-11 culpability.

[Grateful for Hope]

6. Thank you, MP

So, to paraphrase (hopefully) what you are saying:

1. Moderate OCT doubters serve to help filter out the more extreme hypotheses concerning 9/11 presented in this forum.

2. This forum has provided many valuable links which have aided in increasing your understanding and stimulating further research.

3. The OCT supporters have actually lent support to your beliefs that 9/11 was either LIHOP or MIHOP.

The more I am reading in this thread, the more I realize that this forum does indeed have value to at least some who participate here.

:thumbsup:

[Grateful for Hope]

7. Kick for more votes n/t

[petgoat]

8. OCT defenders in this forum have helped convince me that CT

theories are correct.

[KJF]

9. I voted it influenced me

Some of the people are smart and make good points, but it's mostly new evidence that interests me.

[JackRiddler]

10. ...

positive:

Every relevant news story or piece of evidence ends up here in a timely fashion and is debated from all sides.

negative:

I despair. It's all pointless. The truth of 9/11 has been obscured forever in a pincer action between people who consistently advance the least likely, most ridiculous theories and the OCT defenders who sally forth to pretend to "refute" these theories and thus "confirm" the OCT. Instead of Nafeez Ahmed, PD Scott, Griffin and Chossudovsky vs. the 9/11 Commission, or instead of Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones and "Improbable Collapse" vs. the NIST Report, we have Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics, or Reynolds/Fetzer/Barrett v. O'Reilly, or "no planes" vs. people who pretend that demonstrating there were planes somehow puts to rest any doubt that 19 dedicated al Qaeda terrorists acting alone, etc. etc. I despair because this is a function of the culture even more so than it is a strategy on the part of those who wish to obscure 9/11. People really have little idea of what constitutes evidence, what falsifies or confirms a hypothesis, or how logic works. In fact they know little of history, sociology or politics, and don't bother to pick up any before mouthing off, and sadly that's reflected in the "9/11 truth movement" (which I worked hard for as one of its founders) as much as in the broader culture of automatic OCT believers. Most of what passes for "9/11 research" of whatever perspective is just another form of rooting for a sports team, and as likely to change the world. The 9/11 truth movement succeeded in only one thing: forcing acknowledgement by the media that, in fact, a large proportion of the world doesn't believe the OCT. And that's it. Otherwise we've been incorporated safely into the broader culture as yet another niche culture, or cult. The "South Park" episode was a perfect rendering: 9/11 truth has been rendered harmless.

[John Q. Citizen]

11. If you expected to upend the powers that be I would suggest perhaps you were a little naive.

But here the up side; Empires tend to fall from a death of a thousand cuts instead of from some dedicated group toppling them in a few years time.

The 9/11 truth movement has inflicted yet another cut.

[JackRiddler]

sure sure

Every 20 years I get this naive. (I did in the 80s when I thought CIA-drugs would blow the top off the secret government. Now that really was beyond naive, no?)

Please do tell me whether the following propositions strike you as naive:

1) Those who get away with 9/11 will believe they can get away with ANYTHING forevermore. (Consider: Same guys who openly plundered the treasury via the banking scam known conventionally as the S&L crisis later surround 9/11 and the Bush 2 regime. When you learn that crime pays, you go ever larger with it.)

2) This system is not going to avoid universal disaster forever, and that's going to hurt everyone in ways they never imagined. One of these psy-ops or arranged conflicts is going to skid off the tracks into something completely uncontrollable and global.

Naive or not, I figure exposing 9/11 was the last chance for a general wake-up.

If it was an experiment to see how much they can get away with... well how would you assess the results?

[JackRiddler]

12. sure sure

Every 20 years I get this naive. (I did in the 80s when I thought CIA-drugs would blow the top off the secret government. Now that really was beyond naive, no?)

Please do tell me whether the following propositions strike you as naive:

1) Those who get away with 9/11 will believe they can get away with ANYTHING forevermore. (Consider: Same guys who openly plundered the treasury via the banking scam known conventionally as the S&L crisis later surround 9/11 and the Bush 2 regime. When you learn that crime pays, you go ever larger with it.)

2) This system is not going to avoid universal disaster forever, and that's going to hurt everyone in ways they never imagined. One of these psy-ops or arranged conflicts is going to skid off the tracks into something completely uncontrollable and global.

Naive or not, I figure exposing 9/11 was the last chance for a general wake-up.

If it was an experiment to see how much they can get away with... well how would you assess the results?

[John Q. Citizen]

13. It gets worse and worse, you are correct. I was in grade school when they

"removed" Kennedy and it's been downhill ever since.

But as I said, I have my doubts that one single event will cause a general shift that will make everything better.