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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:25 AM
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Ridge warns of election terror plot
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:32 AM
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1. Oh, please spare us!
Besides elaborate security plans for the political conventions this summer in Boston and New York, the officials are considering how to secure polling places come November.

No surprise to anyone who lived through the Florida vote recounts, and election theft, no surprise whatsoever.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:35 AM
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2. I know how they could secure polling places in November...
NO TOUCHSCREENS! The terrorists could put a bomb in them or - worse - hack them so that Kerry wins!

Do it now - write your congressmen and senators and demand paper ballots for America's security and a victory in the War on Terror!!!

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:46 AM
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3. Securing Polling Places? Yeah, like they "Secure" Bush's Speeches...
....you know, where they set up "Free Speech Zones" a mile plus away and "carry off in handcuffs" people who wear anti-bush T-shirts?
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demconfive Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:36 AM
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4. Its all an excuse.
An excuse for the massive crackdown to come in New York at the Repug convention. A repeat of the florida G8 fiasco,only bigger. No protests, no marches, no media coverage.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:07 AM
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5. oh, there will be media coverage
independent, if not mainstream.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:07 AM
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6. oh, there will be media coverage
independent, if not mainstream.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:29 AM
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7. AQ ..
AQ seems to really be on whoosh*'s side, don't they? Everything they do just seems to support the whoosh* brigade.

Interesting, that.

Another link >>
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/07/09/al_qaeda_planning_attack_ridge_says
<snip>
"Credible reporting now indicates that Al Qaeda is moving forward with its plans to carry out a large-scale attack in the United States in an effort to disrupt our democratic process," Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said. "We live in serious times, and this is sobering information about those who wish to do us harm."
***

I'll never get over the fact that *they* seem to think we are as stupid as *they* are ... :crazy:

and more >>
http://news.google.com/news?num=30&hl=en&edition=us&q=cluster:www%2ethebostonchannel%2ecom%2fnews%2f3506441%2fdetail%2ehtml
<snip>
Tom Ridge cancels Israel visit, warns of terror attack in U.S.
By Haaretz Service and Reuters

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has canceled next week's planned visit to Israel, according to Israel Radio. Meanwhile, Ridge warned that Al-Qaida may attempt an election-time attack in the United States.
***
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:47 AM
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8. the country may not be on ORANGE alert
but you can bet the alarm bells and flashing ORANGE lights are coming from bush*'s internal polling office

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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 04:11 AM
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9. Credible intelligence!!
Want fries with those nuggets, Tom?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:43 AM
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10. There is absolutely no
reason to release this dubious information except for political purposes. The terror alert warning system is a fucking joke.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:54 AM
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11. lame attempt to take kenny boy's indictment off the front page. n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:59 AM
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12. Ridge Looked like a Shill from a Carnival
Ken Lay is a crook-- NOTHING SERIOUS will ever happen to him.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 07:30 AM
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14. Tom Ridge Issues Rubber Ducky Alert


http://www.internetweekly.org/photo_cartoons/cartoon_ridge_rubber_duckies.html


Homeland Security Czar, Tom Ridge, issued a yellow rubber duck alert this morning. It seems that the entire coast of New England is under threat of attack from a rogue band of rubber duckies.


You're right, he does look like a carnie shrill.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 07:32 AM
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16. bush & cheney's indictments for the Plame case
Indictments are imminent.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:07 AM
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19. re: Plame
Goooooooooodah.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 07:18 AM
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13. I have a question
This story was updated 5 minutes ago as I type. But the original post was at 2:54 AM. Already the story discusses the morning talk shows.

Here's the question - how did the media know what Ridge was going to say on the talk shows? Do they release a script to the press before the guy goes on or something?

I don't know but this is important to me. I would rather they not predict the news. At least give me the semblance that we don't have a state controlled media.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 07:31 AM
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15. I'll say it again,
the lack of a response and opposition to this is really pissing me off. Over and over their trial balloon goes up and is allowed to float away, whats going on here?
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 08:41 AM
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17. This sounds like old Republican wine ("ballot security") in a new bottle
When elections are close, a time-worn GOP playbook draws on tactics from third-world dictatorships. Armed thugs openly are posted at polling places to harass and discourage minority and poor voters. Because of discrimination in the criminal justice system, a MAJORITY of minority and poor men in many inner city neighborhoods, and skyrocketing proprtions of women, are on probation or parole. Police are free to "roust" those under "criminal justice supervision" whenever they want.

When Loretta Sanchez defeated Crazy Bob Dornan for a California House seat, it was despite the presence of "ballot security" officers in special uniforms. The uniforms closely resembled those of immigration officials, well known for harassing naturalized citizens as well as undocumented foreign workers.

And how did 911 Commission chair Tom Keane get to be governor of NJ?

From http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V13/23/mcdonald-l.html :

'Americans might like to think that discrimination against minority voters ended with the civil-rights movement, but it's been going on in many parts of the country ever since. And ballot-security programs have been the usual vehicle. A notorious "anti-fraud" initiative was implemented before the 1981 gubernatorial election in New Jersey. The Republican National Committee formed a National Ballot Security Force.... On election day, the security force dispatched armed off-duty police officers wearing official-looking armbands to heavily black (and Democratic) precincts in Newark, Camden and Trenton. The Republicans also posted signs warning that the polls were being patrolled by security-force members and offering a $1,000 reward for anyone giving information leading to the arrest and conviction of election-law violators. A toll-free number was listed to report possible voter fraud.

The Democratic National Committee filed suit against the New Jersey and national Republican parties, and it was eventually settled. The defendants agreed not to post security forces at polling places or allow any other election tactics that targeted minorities or deterred them from voting. Despite the agreement in the New Jersey case, the Republicans resorted to similar maneuvers in Louisiana in the 1986 U.S. senatorial campaign involving Democrat John Breaux and Republican Henson Moore. ... Republicans ... launched still another ballot-security program in North Carolina in 1990, during the heated U.S. Senate contest between Republican Jesse Helms and Democrat Harvey Gantt.... After the election -- which Helms won -- the Justice Department sued the North Carolina Republican Party and the Helms for Senate Committee. The defendants, without admitting any wrongdoing, entered into a consent decree in which they agreed not to undertake similar ballot-security programs in the future without court approval.

Copyright © 2002 by The American Prospect, Inc.'
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 08:58 AM
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18. Warnings over and over again
Guys we have theses warnings over and over again. But what's more frightening is they forecast already to install martial law (so avoiding any election) and have already the bill passed how to replace Congress if a majority died. Here's an interesting article although for some the rhetorics is too lefty. In any case it mentions a lot of facts:

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=355
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 06:25 PM
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20. I think I finally have it figured out.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 06:53 PM by sofa king
Oh, good gracious! This post is a mess. I'll leave it alone temporarily, except to remove a particularly unkind swipe at someone who didn't, uh, specifically, invite it.

One of the nice things about this place is that people have a fairly broad tolerance for others' ideas. You'll forgive me if I don't buy into many of the theories posted in this section of DU. By the same token, I think that I may have finally pieced together a reasonable prediction of the Bush Administration plan for this election year. I'd like to put it down in print before it happens.

I'm working from the following angle. I believe that this is one of the very most incompetent administrations to disgrace this nation in modern times. I also firmly believe that by placing faith in a power higher than the law of the land, those people are far less compelled to follow the rule of law than many previous administrations. Like all presidential administrations, they are possessed by self interest which naturally competes with the good of the American people. And unlike any administration since I don't know when, those people are pushing the very limits of H.L. Mencken's maxim that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

The classic rebuttal to any shrill rant about the government is that you cannot simultaneously accuse it of evil genius and incompetence.

But I don't think it's unreasonable at all to see a combination of incompetence, selfish political intent, and confidence in the ability to mislead the public. Election postponement is only one potential part of a far larger plan to try to use anything "the terra-ists" try to do to reinforce their own poorly conceived plan of disinformation and fear management.

Forgive the long prologue. Here's what I think is going on.

* There's really only four major possibilities regarding the former boogeyman, Osama bin Laden's current state: he's dead; he's captured; he's loose; or he's holed up in a very specific place in the mountains in Afghanistan. As I hope I will show below, I think the last possibility is the best case.

* When we rolled over that Pakistani scientist who was selling nuclear tips all over Hell's half acre, that provided the United States with enough grease to get our "friend" Pervez Musharraf to park a division or two of troops along the section of border where Osama is thought to be, with an international contingent cutting off the Afghani side. As I recall, only a couple of weeks ago Pakistan was being prodded to commence a major operation to rub out Osama. I think plan A is to catch or kill Osama and announce it on Monday, July 26, best to deflate the opening day of the Democratic Convention. I've been predicting this for over a year now, but now I think this isn't all that's in store.

* Unfortunately for the Administration here in America, they have a major problem in that the last big lie they sold to the American people--that Saddam and Osama are somehow directly related--is wearing thin without some new, solid, spectacular information. But the original ruse worked well and for a long time, and those people have contempt for the average American's power of reasoning, and they were not bright enough to tell the truth then and they don't dare do it now. Thus, plan B.

* There probably is a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. Again, unfortunately for those people in Washington, the connection is an embarassing one. Ever since GW I, Kurdish Iraq has existed in near total anarchy, with tenuous control by local Kurdish bands with the tacit approval of the United States itself. Like other near-anarchies in Lebanon and the Sudan, this area was naturally exploited by terrorist and radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations. In particular, in December 2001, Ansar al Islam, a group operating in Northern Iraq outside of Hussein's control, began cozying up to al Qaeda members. Bad timing for you know who.

* In the confusing days of April, 2003, the Boston Globe reported that a crude chemical lab was found in the Ansar-controlled town of Biyara. The story died, like all the other WMD chaff that hit the press and which was never officially verified. Again, it's important to remember that Biyara was not controlled by Saddam Hussein. Why didn't we just knock over that section of Iraq with the help of local Kurdish militants, like we did with Afghanistan? If you checked the links above, you'll see that we did!

* Fortunately for those people in power here in America, something--rather, someone--else was in Biyara. When the Iranians mysteriously turned loose Abu Musab Zarqawi in 2002, guess where he showed up? That's right: northern Iraq, and some sources specifically tie him to Biyara (see links above).

* And also fortunately, that bad, bad man Zarqawi went straight after the Americans in the rest of Iraq as soon as they presented themselves as targets, as you all well know by now. But that's rather after the fact, isn't it? But what does the Administration care? We're stupid and they're incompetent.

* Plan B is to announce the re-discovery of the chemical lab in Biyara, Iraq on Monday, June 26, 2004. Thay might even pop Zarqawi, too, if they get lucky, but he seems more valuable loose and scary to me.

* You also know the disinformation two step: Zarqawi! Iraq! Zarqawi! Chemicals! Zarqawi! Al Qaeda! Zarqawi! Orange Alert just before the elections! Oh, yeah, and it's Clinton's fault, too. Why, it all fits together so nicely into that Plan B. Reveal the existence of the "Iraqi" chemical lab. Tie it straight to Zarqawi. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, and presto! Found the WMDs. Found the al-Qaeda-Iraq link. The neocons were right all the time and don't we liberals, liberals, liberals look like assholes now.

* The conservative press is already priming the public for this, not that Fox, Rush, and Bill ever stopped. And they'll scream "I told you so" at the top of their lungs.

But remember, those people in Washington are incompetent, and they think we're stupid. Here's a couple of questions to ask our Freeper friends when they start throwing their own feces from their cages:

*** So why did we have to overthrow Saddam Hussein to wipe out a fundamentalist organization which opposed Hussein? Why overthrow Hussein to destroy an organization which was (possibly) trying to create chemical weapons in an area outside of his control when that area could have been and was overthrown just as the Taliban was in Afghanistan? And most importantly, why are we learning this now?

In other words, it's still the same questions, just different, spectacular, uplifting, distracting non-answers. Again, the story as presented will be structured to mislead the American people. And hopefully, this time the American people are wise enough not to buy that snake oil again. But some days I think I should have invested in a snake farm.

There. That's my paranoid conspiracy rant. It has a two-week shelf life and you can laugh at me then if it doesn't pan out (although I'll point out that if Osama ain't to be had next week, the Zarqawi story can wait until October, the better to prevent reasoned scrutiny from percolating into the public conscience before the election). I'll be wrong in particulars no doubt, but I honestly believe I now see enough of it to correctly guess that this is the gist what those people are up to.

Thank you for your patience.

Sofa King
Sunday, June 11, 7:25pm EST.
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