Old minor question settled: That guy 9/11 in the PEOC who looks like Scheuer is...

[JackRiddler]

...David Addington, Cheney's lawyer and torture-justifier.

They just showed a BW photo of this PEOC scene on the PBS documentary "Bush's War."*


Using this photo, they zoomed in on the fellow standing at the wall, and identified him as David Addington, who looks like this.


There had been speculation as to whether that guy was Michael "Anonymous" Scheuer, the CIA author of "Imperial America" who's for assassinations and kidnappings in the "war on terror" but took a stance against neocons and the Iraq policy. (This would have had bizarre implications, if he was in the PEOC on 9/11.) He looks this:


Original thread on this question for some reason no longer kickable:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x79933

Anyway, so that's settled. It's Addington.

Looking at the photo again, I'm guessing it's before 10am:



People in the PEOC photo above, standing, left to right: Guy who looks like SS in doorway, Karen Hughes, David Addington, Mary Matalin.

Sitting: Some guy, Rice, Cheney.

"Some guy" looks like a fellow who was in the PBS documentary and identified as an assitant to Colin Powell at the State Department, but I didn't catch his name.

Let's try to get a complete list of everyone who was there. We know Mineta and Clarke arrived at some point, Mineta before Cheney according to one account (Woodward), and of course there was David Bohrer, taking the photos. Here is another from whitehouse.gov:



Caption:

Immediately after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and senior staff gathered in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. White House staff collected and discussed information as the day unfolded, and they kept in contact with the President. Photographed are Counselor Karen Hughes (seated left), National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice (seated right), Deputy Chief of Staff Josh Bolten (far left), Director of Media Affairs Tucker Eskew, Assistant to the President Nick Calio, Counselor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, Chief of Staff for the Vice President Lewis Libby, and Director of the National Economic Council Larry Lindsey (right).

This photo probably was much later, it looks like they're conferring rather than acting on anything.

*note: doc is basically an official-story treatment of 9/11 to Iraq from the CIA's perspective, Powell and Tenet cast as the heroes against Cheney and Rummy, Iraq as some kind of post-9/11 accident of neocon opportunism that certainly wasn't in the works years in advance.

[Flatulo]

1. I guess I'm surprised that any fair telling could portray 'Slam-Dunk'

Tenet as a hero.

But I haven't seen the doc yet...

[JackRiddler]

2. I gave up at about an hour...

I'll catch more later. They hadn't gotten to "slam dunk" or Powell, Tenet and Negroponte at the UN yet, they were still doing Cheney on the bogus Saddam-Qaeda links.

But let's say there was a lot of omission going on to keep the story rigorously to a matter of CIA v. Pentagon and Powell v. Neocons. Like, nothing about PNAC or the Cheney energy talks or plans to invade Iraq in advance of 9/11, let alone Afghanistan. Everything starts on 9/11.

They had Clarke, but not about the pre-9/11 Iraq focus. (Not like you could find former cabinet officials who have already gone on the record about that, like O'Neill. Nah.)

One indicator of how far PBS is willing to go, and no further: the New Yorker reporter they chose to interview was not named Seymour Hersh, but Jane Meyer. Please.

Another: They did "Escape at Tora Bora" (The "Oops" Version), but omitted the Pentagon clearing a corridor for the ISI airlift out of Afghanistan.

Another: They mentioned the problem of what to do with all the Afghan prisoners in 2001, and then went straight to Yoo, the Nov. 13 Bush order on military tribunals, renditions and Guantanomo. Thus they skipped the massacre of hundreds of prisoners at Khost, even though that was a big story at the time. (Remember? Johnny "Taliban" Walker was one of the survivors, Mike the CIA guy got killed?)

They had a CIA guy who was dispensing cash in $200,000 lumps to warlords in Afghanistan, but again no indications of the CIA presence there before 9/11, even though that was in Washington Post.

Another: What was the biggest story in the U.S. as the open U.S. military action in Afghanistan began? Hint: Starts with A.

[greyl]

3. Your "some guy" is Pierre-Richard Prosper.

Jet Magazine, Sept 24, 2001: A Black lawyer who has specialized in tracking down drug cartels and prosecuting war criminals recently was confirmed by the U.S. Senate as Ambassador-at-Large for War Crime issues. The first minority barrister ever promoted to this rank in the State Department, Pierre-Richard Prosper formerly served as Special Counsel and Policy Advisor in the Office of War Crimes Issues.
He was detailed to the State Department from the Justice Department, where he was a special assistant to the Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division. Acting as a war crimes prosecutor for the UN tribunal in Rwanda, Prosper handled the first-ever case of genocide.
Previously, as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Central District of California, he investigated and prosecuted major international drug cartels. Earlier, he prosecuted gang-related homicides in California.
A native of Denver, he grew up in New York state. He graduated from Boston University and the law school at Pepperdine Univ. He is the son of two physicians who emigrated from Haiti.

[JackRiddler]

4. Yes. Very good, thanks.

Spent a while googling "Powell's assistant" to no end. I remember him handling the Rwanda case, yes.

[greyl]

5. You're welcome. Now, you owe me big time!

I spent at least 7 minutes FFWing to the spot on the tape where they showed his name.

[JackRiddler]

17. Now that's dedication...

TiVO? I sort of wish.

[greyl]

26. Heheh. :)

No TiVO.
Without cable or satellite here, 2 VCRs are just fine.

[Bolo Boffin]

6. Your photos are after 10:00

Cheney didn't get into the PEOC until then.

[JackRiddler]

10. Please, not on this thread.

Start a new one, if you like.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. It's a material point to your post.

If you don't want people calling you on your bullshit, don't post your bullshit.

[RedSock]

12. lee hamilton, is that you? (eom)

[JackRiddler]

13. Actually, I'd guess he's closest to Ben-Veniste

(Couldn't resist, it's in jest, and I hope flames don't follow.)

[jberryhill]

7. "it looks like they're conferring"

IMHO, it looks more like they are posing.

[salvorhardin]

8. That's what I thought about that first photo especially

It's too perfect.

[JackRiddler]

9. Indeed. Interesting, no?

And no doubt you're seeing only a small part of the PEOC, without all the gear they presumably have.

I wonder about this one:



"President George W. Bush, White House Chief of Staff Andy Card (left) and Admiral Richard Mies conduct a video tele-conference at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, Sept. 11, 2001. White House photo by Eric Draper"

Any chance of figuring out who's on the screens? Resolution low on enlargement, so all I can see is Joe and Mary Pixel.

[jberryhill]

14. Of course White House "Action Shots" are posed

Cheney holding the phone and gesturing confidently with his hands... pads apparently on the table for the use of folks who all went 'round to the other side for the group shot. Same in the Bush photo with the hand gesture meant to convey command and control.

Then after the shot, they all go back to picking their noses, scratching their asses and saying, "uh, gee, what are we supposed to do? Shouldn't we call someone in charge of this stuff and have them, uh, take care of it somehow?"

Bush never succeeded at anything and never did an honest day's work in his life - as if playing at "oil executive" or "baseball team owner" was any kind of preparation for all the "hard work" of deciderering.

[JackRiddler]

16. Leaving aside our differing guesses (good and bad) at what happened in the PEOC otherwise...

The idea that they stop in the middle of the 9/11 events to pose for action shots ("Great, great Dick, just keep that look of concern, now Karen, if you could lean over a bit further...") is worthy of a sociology book on what the fuck is wrong with them, the media and propaganda system, celebrity culture, papparazi, etc.

[jberryhill]

18. Everything's a Photo Op

The photographer gets called in to "record history in the making", takes his pictures and gets out.

That's not unique to this administration. We have, for example, various "serious, pensive, concerned" photographs of JFK during the Cuban missile crisis.

It's not as if the WH photographer is privy to every meeting, or perhaps even cleared for what might be going on, so of course the entrance and exit of the photographer from these things is probably viewed as a "leadership" task - providing inspirational images of our heroic leaders in "action".

But, it's obvious that when you have a conference table to work around, you don't herd everyone to one side of it in order to get work done.

[jberryhill]

23. In fact, you can tell that they stopped

Notice that there are three pads of paper on the table, each with a pen placed on top of the pad. Enlarging it, the top piece of paper on each pad is a blank sheet, and the pen is being used as a paperweight to keep the blank sheet on top of the pad, so that whatever notes were on the pad would not appear in the photo. So, yes, they stopped to do that.

Do you have larger versions of these?

[Grateful for Hope]

24. Good catch, Jberry. n/t

[JackRiddler]

25. Very good, that's what it looks like.

They could claim they blanked out the notes in post, but the pens give it away.

[greyl]

27. Mmm, I'm not convinced of your pad theory. Look at the 4th pad on the far right.

On the 4th pad, which isn't directly under the overhead light like the others, marks on the paper become visible on our right side, at the edge of the pic.
I think that even if the pads in the bright area of the pic did have writing on them, the glare may very well have blown out that detail.
I'm not arguing that the photo wasn't staged, or that other pads definitely did have writing invisible because of the lighting, only that the whiteness of the pads isn't a smoking gun. This is one of those arguments that's just for analytical fun, unlike a much more serious discussion on a topic such as chemtrails.

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. just guesses at who is on the screens, as their faces seem to be red-dotted out

I cut these out and enlarged a little bit...the screen on the left is a shot of the room Bush is in..

The right screen appears to be another room shot on the right side of the frame. The two screens to left in the frame could be Condi on the top and Cheney & Josh Bolton on the bottom.. The top one could also be Mary Matalin..
It seems like their faces are covered with a red dot, even in the top picture that you provide.

I'm only basing my guesses on the clothing worn in the pic from the OP:



Condi & Mary Matalin are both wearing dark clothes.. however, there looks to be red in the center in the top photo, which would match with Matalin.

As for Cheney & Josh Bolton... Cheney in a dark suit, Bolten in white shirt with tie, no jacket...

I could be very wrong, but then again, I could be right... your thoughts on this??

Peace!

Ghost

[jberryhill]

19. That's not a dot...

...it's Redface - the twisted evil mastermind.

That's the way he looks.

[Ghost in the Machine]

20. LOL!

I totally forgot about the eeeeeeeeevil mastermind named Redface :scared:

[jberryhill]

22. Either that, or another Cheney shooting victim /nt

[sofa king]

21. That black device on the desk. Is it a digital voice recorder?

Just curious. I'm sure the recording has since been destroyed.

[Diane_nyc]

28. Thanks for posting this.