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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:02 PM Original message |
Numerous Structural Engineers Publicly Question the 9/11 OCT. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. They certainly know all their CT buzz words by heart |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. 'Into their own footprint' should be a trademark. nt |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I don't mind its use. |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
74. I' m sure you know more than any of those sited in the OP |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Not necessarily. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Oh come now |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Based on what?! |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Silly AZ.... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not only is that stupid... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. who then expected all three buildings to fall? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. My brother predicted WTC 1 & 2 would fall in one hour. WTC7 - no. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Well of course he did! |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Bill, if you are interested, I'll PM my bro's name to you. He is a structural PE |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
61. I don't care who you are... |
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nebula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The OCT circus clown act. |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
75. lol nt |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. "How fast did you expect them to fall?" - - Umm... like they had some resistance? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Doesn't the fact that debris hit the ground |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. "Can you show the calculations? "... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. How this for calculations |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-26-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
109. Very.... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. So where does the notion of a free fall collapse come from |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. You'd have to ask the people at NIST that question... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Why can't I ask the truth movement? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I don't know, dude... why *can't* you ask the truth movement? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Fair enough |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Good points, thanks... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. why hack? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Actually, yes. bin Laden was counting on the US invading Afghanistan. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I have no explanation for religious wackos |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Smart? Hell - that's how they brought down the Soviet Union |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
103. The part Hack missed is the they are |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Then why did you ask this? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. See the quotation marks around the question?? I didn't ask the question, I quoted it from the post |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Therefore |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. You should learn how to read.... seriously... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I know how to read |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. I think that communication between technical people and laypersons... |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. I think you're right about this.. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Ghost - a few oversimplifications in your post... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. I've thought about it before. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
55. "how fast did you expect them to fall?" |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Normally I would never split hairs over such language. However, |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. what we know very well is... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I am constantly amazed... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. no surprise that you're constantly amazed... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. Six things needed to validate an appeal to authority |
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freedom fighter jh (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. What is your source for that list? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. What is your reason for accepting the 14 over the tens of thousands? n/t |
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freedom fighter jh (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The 14 make sense and who are the tens of thousands? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. There is a HUGE leap |
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freedom fighter jh (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I don't understand what you're saying. n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. He is saying that your disallowing of anyone getting a government paycheck is bullshit. |
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freedom fighter jh (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I repeat: How do you know it's only 14? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Do you know why NIST did not investigate post-collapse behavior? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
82. I would imagine that they did investigate post-initiation collapse behavior, |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. There is this thing called the FUCKING OP. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. ridiculous and utterly invalid in this case |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. If it only takes your two own eyes, then why do you guys keep bringing up these assholes? n/t |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. That's an extremely convoluted proof. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
11. For very small values of numerous... n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. much more = 10 more |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Asymmetrical damage can not yield a symmetrical collapse. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And it didn't. n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Asymmetrical forces can insure that the tower will go straight down. nt |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. You really refuse to understand how a transfer truss system |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
68. NIST's current WTC7 dogma has nothing to do with transfer trusses. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Oh, my God. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Structure Magazine, apparently a trial balloon of what they intend to report this summer. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I don't know the things that you pull out of your ass, petgoat, until you pull them out of your ass. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. How is a collapse distributed horizontally? nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Does your copy of the Structure Magazine article include the words I quoted? n/t |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. It includes those words. But neither you nor it explain how collapses can "progress horizontally". |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Then the transfer trusses are still a part of their hypothesis, petgoat. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. A truss distributes load like a BRIDGE |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. The structure of WTC 7 compared to the location of the east penthouse. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. The article doesn't say anything about transfer trusses. Just column 79. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Petgoat, you have been shown before where it is in the Structure article |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. A little less judgmentalism, please, and a little more facts and analysis. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Petgoat, when many other people in this world try to type posts like you just did... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Instead of talking about anonymous internet posters, let's talk about the transfer trusses |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I have shown you what and how the article talks about the transfer trusses. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Tell us what the article says about transfer trusses. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Petgoat: Your inability to understand does not equate to "so vague as to be meaningless". |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Show us what the Structure article says about transfer trusses. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. :eyes: |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. :eyes: is an adolescent's argument. You won't substantiate your claims. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Petgoat, you said it wasn't even in there! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I said they didn't say anything about the transfer trusses. They didn't. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Please enlghten us with your take on the NIST's 'dogma' on WTC7 (n/t) |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
26. I can hold out hope |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
32. This is embarassing |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. More argument "creep" from the "truth movement". |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. So now engineers are "kooks" too |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Nope. Some "kooks" are engineers. |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
72. and some "kooks" post 24/7 on message boards |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Nice straw man. n/t |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #73 |
86. that's not a straw man |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. ... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. That is getting stolen. n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Very Cool |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
52. Not more from that crappy George Washington blog... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
78. perhaps... |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Perhaps... |
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victordrazen (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
87. What is important here is |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. But these 14 don't show their work the way the structural engineers on this side do. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. There's no need to show work. Asymmetrical damage can not cause symmetrical collapse. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. It didn't. n/t |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. This is the same argument creationists use regarding evolution. |
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