Who here thinks the Moussad knew about, or took part in 9/11

[Taverner]

I, for one, do not know...too much bad information out there surrounding any truth...

[HamdenRice]

1. There is a lot of evidence that several intelligence agencies knew

so I wouldn't single out Mossad. The French intelligence service definitely knew and tried to warn the Bush administration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x678886

I recall reading that the Russians were so alarmed that their warnings were not being heeded that they went to the UN Security Council. Does anyone have a link that backs that up?

[jberryhill]

10. It's a vague question

For the reasons you point out, there is no mystery that the intelligence community was abuzz with warnings of an impending attack or attempt.

[HamdenRice]

12. Did you read the link? nt

[jberryhill]

13. Yeah....

It was the worst kept secret after "J. Edgar Hoover wears dresses".

[Diane_nyc]

22. Thanks for the info, HamdenRice. Request for up-to-date links and/or citations

To HamdenRice:

Thanks very much for http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=209080&mesg_id=209096">letting us know about your other post, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x678886">American Media Completely Distorting Bombshell Le Monde 9/11 Report.

In the latter post, you include a link to http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-france-911,0,5163839.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines">a Newsday article, which you say is a lousy "translation" of a Le Monde article. Your link to the Newsday article doesn't work. Could you please provide either an up-to-date link Could you please provide either an up-to-date link, or, if that's not possible, complete bibliographic information about the Newsday article?

I would also appreciate it very much if you could provide either a link or complete biblographic info about the original Le Monde article.

Thank you for any attention you can give to this matter.

[mhatrw]

2. Of course they knew. They aren't stupid. n/t

[Bassman66]

3. Is this a trick poll?

I think it is.

[LARED]

4. What part is tricky? nt

[Bassman66]

5. The tricky part.

[LARED]

6. What is hard about explaining your post?

The question seems pretty straight forward to me, so what makes you think it's a trick?

[Bassman66]

7. Could someone get banned for voting the wrong way?

Just wondering.

[LARED]

8. I'm not a mod, but I doubt it. n/t

[Bassman66]

9. OK, but may I suggest you seperate "know about" and

"part of it" in your poll.
I think they knew about it, along with a lot of other people but I don't see how to vote for that other than "other" and what's the point of that.

[jberryhill]

11. No....

When it gets to a full-on "Jews did it" type of thing, then you'll get a lot of posts deleted.

But vague line blurring between "knew about" and "participated in" relative to the Mossad? People do that all of the time here.

[nebula]

14. Probably

many members of the PNAC are zionists.

[2rth2pwr]

15. Which Massoud? Ahmed Shah Massoud was one of the greatest Afghan commanders

in the war against the Soviet invasion. He is The Lion of Panjshir-


Lawrence Wright believes that bin Laden had him killed, leading directly to the rise of the Taliban.


"May God bless him and the people he has left behind. His mission in life was the freedom of Afghanistan, and he became a martyr for that cause. We will continue to fulfill the objectives and desires of the man who lies buried here." (President Hamid Karzai at the grave of Massoud, Sept. 7, 2002)

[Poll_Blind]

16. The manner of Massoud's death and its timing should be the prologue of any...

...thorough 9/11 analysis- as well as the two men who sought to "interview" Bush (without an appointment) on the morning of 9/11.

PB

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. patsie

[reprehensor]

18. Other. It's not Black and White, IMO.

I think we can rely on Marc Perelman's account that the FBI confirmed that two of the men arrested in New Jersey, on 9/11, were Mossad agents. Beyond that, IMO, we don't have anything concrete that proves what they were doing, or if more Mossad agents were in the loop, or if the Mossad as an agency (or a Mossad cell) had operational awareness of 9/11.

However, because the two agents were observed "high-fiving" and "celebrating" the twin tower attacks, (although not "dancing", that is not true as far as I can tell), it's not too outlandish to suggest that they knew what was coming down the pipe.

This in itself is not so significant;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html

(The Trentos claim that two hijackers were GID agents, so that makes three agencies implicated, CIA, Mossad, GID... Musharraf claims that Omar Saeed Sheikh was MI6, so that makes four...)

But the fact that where there were "hijackers", there were "Israeli DEA Groups", weighs against a casual knowledge of what was going on. I cover this information here;
http://911blogger.com/node/15999

What I try to make clear in the above piece is that the tandem nature of U.S./Israeli covert operations is nothing new, despite aberrations like Operation Susannah, or the Pollard case, or the AIPAC spy scandal. Everybody spies on everybody, but when it comes to covert work, the "Buddy Buddy System" seems to apply, and only seems to be on the increase with the U.S. and Israel.

Compared to people who are monomanes on Israeli blame for 9/11, I don't see how "Israel" could have arranged for multiple War Games on 9/11, the restructuring of shoot-down authorization, the blind eye of the NSA when "hijackers" are "Wassup"ing each other all over the planet, the FBIs "incompetence" regarding Moussaoui, et al, and on and on.

Further, simply because the "Israeli DEA Groups" had individuals with intelligence backgrounds among them, it doesn't mean that they were 'on-the-clock' for Mossad or Aman. They could have been doing mercenary work for another entity altogether.

The international drug networks that weave in and out of international intelligence agencies may be involved. This could explain the multiplicity of nationalies involved, including Israel. Also, what have all those highly skilled KGB operatives been up to for the past 16 years? Probably NOT knitting sweaters. It would also explain why the "Groups" were so interested in the DEA offices, and officers, and may possibly explain Atta's connection to drug smuggling as alleged by Daniel Hopsicker.

Peter Dale Scott examines aspects of this angle here;
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/global-drug.htm

In short, there is no simple answer here, IMO.

[Sezu]

20. Perelman confirmed only that "sources," told him this,

NOT that the FBI confirmed it. Big Difference.

[petgoat]

19. Of course the Mossad knew. EVERYBODY knew, and the Mossad is the best.

Here's from cooperativeresearch (Paul Thompson's timeline):

December 2000-April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers

According to later German reports, “a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States.… In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they … Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.” Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation.



August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorists Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named


According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known, and these four will be 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its “art student spy ring.” Yet apparently, this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and the information is not passed on to the FBI. It is unclear whether this warning influenced the decision to add Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US.

[petgoat]

21. Misleading Framing

Your headline says "Knew about or took part in"

The poll question says: Were a part of it--yes or no?

[poliscifanboy]

23. They may have known

but bush set the whole thing up.