It Was Flight 77

[crispy]

Reposting this...

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33

[rsmith6621]

1. Your Out Of Bandwidth

[DulceDecorum]

82. THE OLD THREAD OF THE SAME NAME

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=8105&mesg_id=8105&listing_type=#8257

Part:2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x9377

No google-bombing allowed.

[DulceDecorum]

2. That is a lime-green lie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=20583&mesg_id=20583

[Endangered Specie]

3. You realize...

...that by posting actual evidence using facts and numbers in this forum you are going to get flamed, attacked and have everything but the kitchen sink thrown at you.

[DulceDecorum]

6. I know, I know,

the Sisters go after me all the time.

[impe]

4. You've Convinced Me

I need to buy one of those 757 proof cars...can you tell me the make and model for the SUV? It didn't
even roll....

Please research the air florida crash and come back and talk. 5 Street Lights..... pleeeze!

[tngledwebb]

5. NOOOO....

Not this crazy official conspiracy theory again!!! This has been DISPROVEN here on DU over and over. In fact, for anyone who still believes a Boeing hit the Pentagon, take a look at the someguyyoudontknow33 link and try to spot the Boeing!

[MercutioATC]

7. I must have missed the thread where it was "DISPROVEN".....

...could you provide a link?

I can only two or three issues that aren't easily explainable without more data and neither of of them constitute anything resembling a rebuttal of the fact that AAL77 hit the Pentagon.

Perhaps I missed something...

:eyes:

[MrSammo1]

70. It's amazing

how few people understand what they see or don't see. I guess Sheeple Science is to great to overcome?

[MrSammo1]

8. Clueless

Look at the physical evidence!

[MercutioATC]

9. Like the 757 parts and the DNA?

...perhaps the downed light poles?

I won't even mention the DNA evidence of the question of what happened to the REAL AAL77 if it didn't crash into the Pentagon...oops, I guess i did mention it...

:tinfoilhat:

[DulceDecorum]

10. Flight 77 never took off

from Dulles on September 11, 2001.

N644AA had its FAA registration cancelled
because it was destroyed on January 14, 2002.
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=644AA

Hani Hanjour NEVER learned how to fly
from Lotfi Raissi aka Fabrice Vincent Algier.
http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/international/lotfi_raissi.shtml

He (Hani Hanjour) listed his address as a post office box in Taife, Saudi Arabia, but he also has been linked to addresses in San Diego and Hollywood, Fla. His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/hijackers.html
So how did he get on the damn plane?

Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about 21 "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said "Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive," raising the possibility that the real Almihdhar never died on the plane. But one Justice Department official called the listing a "typo."
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/coxnews102101.html

The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.
He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,601550,00.html

Which just goes to show that there were:

No Arabs on Flight 77
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

But it wasn't only the hijackers which were fiction. So were the hijackings. We all think that we saw a big plane hit the WTC live on TV,so there must have been hijacked planes, right ? A closer look reveals it as an elaborate illusion. First , lets take AA77, the plane which is supposed to have hit the Pentagon. This is one of the most heavily surveillanced buildings in the world, and yet somehow they can't come up with any footage of the crash. Because it never happened. Something hit the pentagon but it was't a Boeing 757 or anything anywhere near that size. There are numerous photos of the aftermath and nowhere is to be seen any evidence of wreckage of such a plane.
A 757 has a wingspan of 125 ft, a tail height of 40 ft and a length of 155 ft. The hole in the Pentagon wall was about 40 ft wide, 25 ft high and collpased only the first ring of the building - about 40 ft deep. There is no sign of any Boeing debris anywhere. No wings, no tail, no protruding fuselage. The tail couldn't fit through the hole even if the plane was sliding along the ground. And because the grass outside is smooth, green and undamaged, even that is impossible. And because the angle of entry of the mystery object was about 45 degrees , 125 wingspan would cause an impact about 180 ft wide. A giant aircraft has supposedly passed through a hole many times smaller than itself, without breaking off any parts, and then totally vanished. Furthermore, official aviation records from the US bureau of trasportation say that the alleged AA 77 flight did not exist. The BT keeps a record of details about every flight ever scheduled from a US airport - even cancelled flights. No such record exists of AA 77 on Sept 11. Early reports said that the incident at the pentagon was caused by a truck bomb.
http://www.911closeup.com/

Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) Jim Rice, the NCRS leader, was at the FBI WFO Command Center on the telephone with Mr. Larry Cirutti of the Military District of Washington (MDW) at the Pentagon when a monitored District of Columbia police radio transmission reported an explosion at the Pentagon. Mr. Cirutti told SSA Rice a helicopter must have “slid off the helipad” into the building. Special Agent Chris Combs, the NCRS Fire Service Liaison, was teaching a class at the District of Columbia Fire Academy when he received his page. While en route to the WFO Headquarters, he heard a news report of the Pentagon attack and proceeded directly to the Pentagon.
Meanwhile, at the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) Fire Department at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, Captain Michael Defina was investigating an incident at Terminal B when he heard the impact and saw the smoke rising in the distance. He called Fire Communications and was advised of a report of a Boeing 757 crash off the end of Runway 1-19. That was quickly amended, identifying the Pentagon as the crash site. The MWAA contacted the Arlington ECC and was directed to respond to the Pentagon. They did so with substantial resources: a rescue engine, two foam units, two mass casualty units, a mini-pumper, and a command vehicle. Because MWAA has authority to respond automatically to an airplane crash within 5 miles of the airport, two heavy rescue units had already self-dispatched to the Pentagon.
http://www.hrsa.gov/bioterrorism/resources/ArlingtonCountyAfterActionReport9_11.htm

Only 189 people died in the Pentagon because Flight77 flew horizontally into Wedge 1 just after its $258,000,000 strengthening program was completed. 4600 workers were still out of their offices on that day. Presumably the hijackers not only wanted to save as many lives as possible but wanted to help the Pentagon by testing out the blast resistant glass and steel reinforced concrete walls.
http://www.the-movement.com/menu/weird_coincidences.htm

Before the president's remarks and those of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the names of the 189 Pentagon victims scrolled over giant screens near the dais.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/10/11/rec.pentagon.memorial/

ZAHN (voice-over): for American Airlines Flight 77's Captain Charles "Chic" Burlingame, it was a routine takeoff from Dulles International Airport outside Washington, D.C. SIXTY-FOUR people on board his Boeing 757 headed to Los Angeles, including the plane's future hijackers.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/17/pzn.00.html

Saddam Hussein is warning America it must be sure who is behind the terrorist attacks before it takes action. .....
He writes the US "should answer in the first place with serenity and responsibility," adding "the national security of America and the security of the world could be attained if the American leaders and those who beat the drums for them become rational."
He writes: "America needs wisdom, not power. It has used power, along with the West, to its extreme extent, only to find out later that it doesn't achieve what they wanted. Will the rulers of America try wisdom just for once so that their people can live in security and stability?"
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/15/story23823.asp

The official version is complex and contradicts itself, so read on carefully.

To justify the absence of Boeing debris, the authorities explained that the aircraft was pulverized when it impacted with such a highly reinforced building as the Pentagon.
To explain the disappearance of the aircraft's more resistant components, like the engines or brakes, we were told that the aircraft melted (with the exception of one landing light and its black boxes).
To justify the absence of 100 tons of melted metal, experts attempted to show that the fire exceeded 2500 °C, leading to the evaporation of parts of the aircraft (but not of the building itself or, clearly, of the landing light or black boxes).
To justify the presence of the hole, officials now state that it was caused by the nose of the aircraft, which, despite the rigors of the crash, continued careering through the three buildings.

The aircraft thus disintegrated on contact with the Pentagon, melted inside the building, evaporated at 2500° C and still penetrated two other buildings via a hole 2 ½ yards in diameter. Questions need to be asked of Pentagon experts here. The official version has its own holes that need filling.
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/missile_en.htm

And we haven't even begun to discuss the effect of heat on HAIR or DNA.

[RH]

11. Outstanding Questions:

transcript of the radio communications of AAt 77

http://0911.site.voila.fr/transcript.htm

Questions to answer:

If AA never took off how come nobody noticed, with not the slightest trace of any cancellation of the daily flight with respect to the sale of tickets and reservations, not to mention the Airport scheduling arrangements?

If AA never took off who did ATC communicatate with?

If AA never took off where did the Flight Explorer information come from?

If AA never took off what happened to the people who bought tickets and went to the Dulles Airport?

If AA never took off how come an autopsy positively identified dead passengers?

If AA never took off why does absolutely everybody who was there at the Pentagon to see for themselves believe that it hit the Pentagon?

If AA never took off how do you explain the five felled lamp poles and the movement of the 30 ton electricity generator outside the Pentagon?

If AA never took off how do you explain the aircraft debris discovered at the Pentagon?

If AA never took off why did Flight Attendant Carter swear an affidavit to prove in effect that it turned up at the Pentagon?

[DulceDecorum]

16. RH says:

If AA never took off how come nobody noticed, with not the slightest trace of any cancellation of the daily flight with respect to the sale of tickets and reservations, not to mention the Airport scheduling arrangements?

Good question.
RH,
lets see what the Bureau of Transportation Statistics has to say
about the flights out of Dulles for September 11, 2001.
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/

Results of Searching Detailed Statistics
"Departure Statistic(s):Scheduled Departure Time,Actual Departure Time"
"Airport(s):IAD"
"Airline(s):AA"
"Month(s):September"
"Day(s):11"
"Year(s):2001"
"Airport: Washington, DC-Washington Dulles International (IAD)"
Carrier Code, Date (MM/DD/YYYY), Flight Number, Tail Number, Destination Airport, Scheduled Departure Time , Actual Departure Time
AA, 09/11/2001, 0075, UNKNOW, LAX, 18:00, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0077, UNKNOW, LAX, 8:10, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0135, UNKNOW, LAX, 11:15, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0143, UNKNOW, LAX, 15:00, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0371, UNKNOW, DFW, 16:10, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0397, UNKNOW, DFW, 12:55, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0510, UNKNOW, DFW, 17:51, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0573, UNKNOW, DFW, 9:23, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0599, N871AA, DFW, 7:56, 7:49
AA, 09/11/2001, 0771, N3BFAA, SJU, 7:00, 6:57
AA, 09/11/2001, 0975, N3CAAA, MIA, 7:34, 7:34
AA, 09/11/2001, 1217, N2ANAA, ORD, 6:25, 6:26
AA, 09/11/2001, 1223, UNKNOW, ORD, 9:45, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 1229, UNKNOW, ORD, 13:25, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 1247, UNKNOW, ORD, 20:21, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 1309, UNKNOW, DFW, 14:20, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 1319, UNKNOW, DFW, 19:32, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 1361, N493AA, DFW, 6:15, 6:17
AA, 09/11/2001, 1787, UNKNOW, ORD, 16:55, 0:00
The total number of records: 19

RH, do you see ANY planes actually leaving Dulles for Los Angeles?
No?
Then explain this.

And many of us--like our guests this morning--have an even more personal story--loved ones who were lost on the ground or in the air. Perhaps you've heard the story of TSA's very own Hal Glassman, who was scheduled to travel aboard American Airlines flight 77 that day, but he took an earlier flight instead. He didn't learn about the fate of American 77 until he landed on a small airstrip in Garden City, Kansas--one of the tens of thousands of planes grounded instantly to the nearest airport.
http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=46&content=0900051980052285

RH, old boy,
can you tell us WHICH earlier flight
Admiral James M. Loy
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/biography/biography_0023.xml
is referring to?
AA, 09/11/2001, 0075, UNKNOW, LAX, 18:00, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0077, UNKNOW, LAX, 8:10, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0135, UNKNOW, LAX, 11:15, 0:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0143, UNKNOW, LAX, 15:00, 0:00
The first time is the SCHEDULED DEPARTURE TIME.
What earlier flight was scheduled to take off BEFORE Flight 77?
The second time is the ACTUAL DEPARTURE TIME.
When did Flight 77 ACTUALLY take off?
Go on, old chap, give it a shot then.
Don't keep us waiting for ever.
Speak up.

As for the rest of you:

So if it didn’t hit the Pentagon, what happened to AA 77 and the passengers? An important question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument of whether it hit the Pentagon. By way of analogy, imagine a murder prosecution where the defence has presented an overwhelmingly strong case - more than just reasonable doubt - solid proof that the accused cannot possibly have committed the crime. But then the prosecution plays it’s trump card. “ But if your client did not commit the crime, then who did? “ The defence answers that it has no idea. Everyone would agree that a guilty verdict on this basis, would be an outrageous lapse of logic. Yet this is precisely the same lapse of logic as suggesting that a lack of alternative explanation for what happened to the plane and the passengers is in any way relevant to the question of whether it hit the Pentagon. The government knows what happened. Investigators have to work it out bit by bit. The full truth will emerge in time, if a methodical, rational, step by step approach is persevered with.

I can see one good reason to cling to the belief that AA 77 hit the pentagon. The unshakable faith that the govt would not - could not lie to us. A faith so strong that the laws that laws of physics and motion suspend themselves in order to maintain it. A faith so strong that even the government admitting that it lies cannot overturn it. This statement from Solicitor General Olsen.
http://old.smh.com.au/news/0203/20/world/world10.html

<[ "It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information," the Solicitor-General, Theodore Olson, told the court on Monday. "It's an unfortunate reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests." >]

Of course, he could be lying ...
http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=63

[RH]

22. Do you know what a cancellation is?

If so why not cite the BTS data for cancellations?

The BTS database includes a full list of cancellations:

http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_B1.PL?DetSta=Cancel&FirLevSel=DetSta

So shall we see what the BTS database has to say?

This is the list that turns up for 9/11/2001 for AA from IAD:

AA 09/11/2001 0075 UNKNOW LAX Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0135 UNKNOW LAX Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0143 UNKNOW LAX Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0371 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0397 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0510 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 0573 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1223 UNKNOW ORD Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1229 UNKNOW ORD Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1247 UNKNOW ORD Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1309 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1319 UNKNOW DFW Yes
AA 09/11/2001 1787 UNKNOW ORD Yes


N.B. It does not include Flight 77, does it?

Flight 77 was not cancelled.

You have absolutely no record of any cancellation to show, do you?

[DulceDecorum]

39. Never cancelled.

Never scheduled.
Never actually departed.
From Dulles.

Meanwhile, at the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) Fire Department at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, Captain Michael Defina was investigating an incident at Terminal B when he heard the impact and saw the smoke rising in the distance. He called Fire Communications and was advised of a report of a Boeing 757 crash off the end of Runway 1-19. That was quickly amended, identifying the Pentagon as the crash site. The MWAA contacted the Arlington ECC and was directed to respond to the Pentagon. They did so with substantial resources: a rescue engine, two foam units, two mass casualty units, a mini-pumper, and a command vehicle. Because MWAA has authority to respond automatically to an airplane crash within 5 miles of the airport, two heavy rescue units had already self-dispatched to the Pentagon.
http://www.hrsa.gov/bioterrorism/resources/ArlingtonCountyAfterActionReport9_11.htm

[RH]

40. Look!!!! AA77 was scheduled

Your reliance upon the BTS database and your attention to it is risibly selective and irrational.

The schedule you cite in posting #16 lists "007", albeit with an incorrect departure time:

AA, 09/11/2001, 0077, UNKNOW, LAX, 8:10, 0:00

So if the Airline had not actually sceduled the flight how come it appears in the BTS database? Do you have an explanation for that?

Flight 77 was of course scheduled. It had flown regularly from Dulles every day for many years and the BTS database abundantly confirms the fact.

Go for instance to the BTS Scheduled Departure records or the Scheduled Elapsed Time records for September 11th 2001.

http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_B1.PL?DetSta=DepSta&FirLevSel=DetSta

By way of Scheduled departures for

Airport(s): IAD
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001

It comes up with this list:


AA 09/11/2001 0075 UNKNOW LAX 18:00
AA 09/11/2001 0077 UNKNOW LAX 8:10
AA 09/11/2001 0135 UNKNOW LAX 11:15
AA 09/11/2001 0143 UNKNOW LAX 15:00
AA 09/11/2001 0371 UNKNOW DFW 16:10
AA 09/11/2001 0397 UNKNOW DFW 12:55
AA 09/11/2001 0510 UNKNOW DFW 17:51
AA 09/11/2001 0573 UNKNOW DFW 9:23
AA 09/11/2001 0599 N871AA DFW 7:56
AA 09/11/2001 0771 N3BFAA SJU 7:00
AA 09/11/2001 0975 N3CAAA MIA 7:34
AA 09/11/2001 1217 N2ANAA ORD 6:25
AA 09/11/2001 1223 UNKNOW ORD 9:45
AA 09/11/2001 1229 UNKNOW ORD 13:25
AA 09/11/2001 1247 UNKNOW ORD 20:21
AA 09/11/2001 1309 UNKNOW DFW 14:20
AA 09/11/2001 1319 UNKNOW DFW 19:32
AA 09/11/2001 1361 N493AA DFW 6:15
AA 09/11/2001 1787 UNKNOW ORD 16:55


N.B.

AA 09/11/2001 0077 UNKNOW LAX 8:10

For the Scheduled Elapsed Time for 0077 it shows this

AA 09/11/2001 0077 UNKNOW LAX 0326

[DulceDecorum]

47. This is a wonderful breakthrough

RH has used the BTS database to defend and verify a flight.

This is wonderful.
It means that he accepts the BTS database as a VALID and AUTHENTIC source of ACCURATE information.
And all this time
I thought he hated it
just because it didn't agree with him.......
Let us see what the BTS says TODAY:

Results of Searching Detailed Statistics
"Departure Statistic(s):Scheduled Departure Time"
"Airport(s):IAD"
"Airline(s):AA"
"Month(s):September"
"Day(s):11"
"Year(s):2001"
"Airport: Washington, DC-Washington Dulles International (IAD)"
Carrier Code, Date (MM/DD/YYYY), Flight Number, Tail Number, Destination Airport, Scheduled Departure Time
AA, 09/11/2001, 0075, UNKNOW, LAX, 18:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0077, UNKNOW, LAX, 8:10
AA, 09/11/2001, 0135, UNKNOW, LAX, 11:15
AA, 09/11/2001, 0143, UNKNOW, LAX, 15:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0371, UNKNOW, DFW, 16:10
AA, 09/11/2001, 0397, UNKNOW, DFW, 12:55
AA, 09/11/2001, 0510, UNKNOW, DFW, 17:51
AA, 09/11/2001, 0573, UNKNOW, DFW, 9:23
AA, 09/11/2001, 0599, N871AA, DFW, 7:56
AA, 09/11/2001, 0771, N3BFAA, SJU, 7:00
AA, 09/11/2001, 0975, N3CAAA, MIA, 7:34
AA, 09/11/2001, 1217, N2ANAA, ORD, 6:25
AA, 09/11/2001, 1223, UNKNOW, ORD, 9:45
AA, 09/11/2001, 1229, UNKNOW, ORD, 13:25
AA, 09/11/2001, 1247, UNKNOW, ORD, 20:21
AA, 09/11/2001, 1309, UNKNOW, DFW, 14:20
AA, 09/11/2001, 1319, UNKNOW, DFW, 19:32
AA, 09/11/2001, 1361, N493AA, DFW, 6:15
AA, 09/11/2001, 1787, UNKNOW, ORD, 16:55
The total number of records: 19

The flight was scheduled to depart at 8:10, but actually departed at 8:20. It was recently confirmed that three of the hijackers had been stopped before boarding the flight because they failed the metal detector test, but were nonetheless allowed to enter the plane.
By 8:54, the flight had been hijacked.They used knives and box-cutters to gain entrance to the cockpit. By 8:56, the flight had radically changed course, and the transponder was turned off. The FAA was aware at this point that there was an emergency aboard the plane. (By this time, American Airlines Flight 11 had already crashed into the World Trade Center, and United Airlines flight 175 was known to have been hijacked as well.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

Funny isn't it,
how all this time,
lil ole DulceDecorum
and those that mirrored ALL the BTS site in the first place,
seem to think that the original data was different....

You guys better save those web pages asap! And secure as much documentation as you can.I don't know what all this means,but it might become important at some point.
http://www.septembereleventh.org/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1757&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Lets look at just
ONE of the MANY THOUSANDS OF MIRRORS.

Airport: Washington, DC - Washington Dulles International (IAD)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time
AA 09/11/2001 0075 UNKNOW LAX 18:00
AA 09/11/2001 0135 UNKNOW LAX 11:15
AA 09/11/2001 0143 UNKNOW LAX 15:00
AA 09/11/2001 0371 UNKNOW DFW 16:10
AA 09/11/2001 0397 UNKNOW DFW 12:55
AA 09/11/2001 0510 UNKNOW DFW 17:51
AA 09/11/2001 0573 UNKNOW DFW 9:23
AA 09/11/2001 0599 N871AA DFW 7:56
AA 09/11/2001 0771 N3BFAA SJU 7:00
AA 09/11/2001 0975 N3CAAA MIA 7:34
AA 09/11/2001 1217 N2ANAA ORD 6:25
AA 09/11/2001 1223 UNKNOW ORD 9:45
AA 09/11/2001 1229 UNKNOW ORD 13:25
AA 09/11/2001 1247 UNKNOW ORD 20:21
AA 09/11/2001 1309 UNKNOW DFW 14:20
AA 09/11/2001 1319 UNKNOW DFW 19:32
AA 09/11/2001 1361 N493AA DFW 6:15
AA 09/11/2001 1787 UNKNOW ORD 16:55
The total number of the records found for this query: 18
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/american_airlines_flight_77_did_not_take_off.htm

The BTS TODAY says that there are 19 records.
But when lil ole DulceDecorum and Co mirrored it,
THERE WERE ONLY 18 ORIGINAL ENTRIES.

What have we learned from this?

WE ARE WINNING.
The crooks are having to alter their story.
AGAIN.
they are being choked to death
by their lime-green lies.

[RH]

62. Let us see what the BTS says TODAY?

Strangely enough it appears to say TODAY exactly what it said in posting #16, Response to Reply #11, Tue Oct-05-04 05:40 PM

e.g.

AA, 09/11/2001, 0077, UNKNOW, LAX, 8:10, 0:00


So what have we learned from this?

DulceDecorum doesn't even bother to read the stuff that Dulcedecorum clutters up the Forum with.

[DulceDecorum]

63. Nevertheless

the BTS database has been tampered with.
(Before Tue Oct-05-04 05:40 PM)
there are now 19 records where there previously were 18 records.
The data for Flight77 has been inserted.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
.....I was wondering why Crispy applied for another trouncing.....


If one searches specifically for UA 175 or UA 93 narrowed down to sept
11 only, the search returns the result of "diverted" for each flight.
A similar search for either AA 11 or AA 77 on that date returns "no
data found".
If you search for AA 11 or AA 77 on different days, you will find that
they were regularly scheduled flights right up to Sept 10. AA 11 was
scheduled daily from Logan to LA at 8.00, and AA 77 from Dulles to LA
at 7.45. On Sept 11, they were not scheduled. Not cancelled.
Just not scheduled.
On Sept 12, they re-appear in the schedule (obviously as cancelled for
the next few days) up until Sept 20 when both flights change their
numbers.
Thus the official figures from the Bureau of Transportation
statistics indicate that neither AA 11 nor AA 77 flew on Sept, 11
2001. This solves the question of what happened to them. Nothing.
Because the flights did not exist. This is consistent with other
evidence which shows that they were not the objects responsible for
the Pentagon and Nth WTC tower incidents.
This still leaves unanswered the question of what happened to the
passengers alleged to be aboard the non existent flights. In the case
of AA 77, while one can always speculate about the most plausible
scenarios, I prefer to wait until some real evidence emerges. However
in the case of AA 11, I think it is worth noting that UA 175 left from
the same airport, at the same time for the same destination as that
normally applicable to AA 11. Therefore, although there is no direct
evidence to support the claim, it would seem reasonable to speculate
at this stage that any passengers who were regular fliers
on AA 11, and asked to booked on it that day, went to the airport,
expecting to get on AA 11, as per the normal routine. They were then
told that there was a last minute problem with the flight which could
not be fixed within a reasonable period of time, and were offered a
flight on UA 175 as compensation.
The data in this search indicates that we have been systematically
lied to about the alleged flight paths and hijacking sequence of AA 11
and AA 77, as well as the alleged phone calls made from the planes.
It also indicates probable complicity by American Airlines in the
events of Sept 11 , 2001.
For the benefit of any NWO operatives reading this, just in case
you're thinking of trying to pressure the Bureau into playing hanky
panky with the records, the search results pages have already been
backed up and widely distributed. Nevertheless, I do encourage all
readers to do the searches themselves and back up the results pages,
just in case this happens.
-- Gerard Holmgren. Copyright. Nov 13, 2003

[seatnineb]

24. Looking through the glass.

Dulce........

This chap who goes by the name of Hal Glassman..........

He initially books for a flight(77) that never took off anyway.......

But before flight 77 never took off......Glassman changed his mind to book for an even earlier flight to LAX that never actually existed.......

But anyhow........

This flight that never existed that Glassman is on eventually lands in Kansas......so we are told.....

Now according to the BTS database ...(there is only one airport in Kansas that the BTS keeps statistics on...I dunno if there are other smaller airports that the BTS does not track)

But anyhow,this particular Kansas airport never had any American Airlines(or any airline of any sort -I checked em' all) flight from Dulles land at it on 9/11/01....

Actual arrival times...Kansas Airport.
AA 09/11/2001 0339 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0371 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0413 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0437 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0454 N596AA DFW 8:14
AA 09/11/2001 0507 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0510 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 0543 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1011 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1198 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1253 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1325 UNKNOW ORD 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1440 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1749 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 1918 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 2014 UNKNOW DFW 0:00
AA 09/11/2001 2418 UNKNOW DFW 0:00

No sign of any plane having arrived from IAD!

The total number of the records found for this query: 17

Conclusion.....

Did Glassman actually fly at all that day?

In the words of the BTS:
We aim to provide data, analysis and information of high quality for transportation decision making. Whatever we provide will be accurate, reliable, and objective
http://www.bts.gov/about/

[seatnineb]

25. My mistake.......

Found the airport that Glassman landed at....I think...


It is not the same airport that the BTS quotes statistics from.

Still Dulce ......you made a great observation regarding that earlier flight
that never took place.

[DulceDecorum]

35. But how

could he land
if he never took off?

RH,
can you answer THAT question?
While we are young?

[RH]

41. The question is adsolutely reduntant,

a complete waste of time.

Flight 77 did take off.

[MercutioATC]

12. ...and all of the AAL77 "passengers" were alien robots...

:eyes:

Most of the rest of your post is old arguments. Yes, I understand that you consider eyewitness reports, DNA, commercial airliner pieces (the wheel, the gear, the high-pressure rotor and housing and the oxygen bottle) as "no evidence". It's easy to attack a conclusion if you arbitrarily discard all of its supporting evidence. That's all that's being done here.

The evidence supports the crash of a commercial plane. Anything else is conjecture based on ignoring available evidence.

[DulceDecorum]

13. Nah, just big dummies

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/ECN-28307.html

[MercutioATC]

14. Obviously, an upgraded model...

The dummies on AAL77 had the ability to walk, had human DNA and (much like Cabbage Patch dolls) had birth records.

I wonder how much the government paid for them...

[DulceDecorum]

18. What birth records?

PRODUCE THEM.

[geek tragedy]

19. You mean that no one ever was on Flight 77 and that their families are

imagining things?

You should really write fiction for a living--quite an imagination.

[MercutioATC]

20. You're claiming that none of the passengers or crew had birth records?

I just want to make sure that's your claim...

[geek tragedy]

21. You can't post a link to them, therefore they must not exist.

Didn't you get the memo?

OF COURSE they just made a bunch of names up--it's not like anyone would check into that sort of thing.

[MercutioATC]

27. This same poster once claimed that Todd Beamer never really existed.

I'm just trying to see if that's her stance with ALL of the 9/11 passengers.

[DulceDecorum]

31. Todd Beamer and the SSDI

TODD E BEAMER
(11 Sep 1968 - 10 Jun 1997) (Death Proved)
SSN issued in Oregon.

This is the ONE AND ONLY Todd Beamer whose death has been reported to the Social Security Administration.
Your man, is Todd M. Beamer.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5800275&pt=Todd%20Beamer

WASHINGTON, Aug. 8, 2003
(CBS/AP) Families of passengers who rebelled against hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 93 said Friday the FBI theory that the terrorists deliberately crashed the plane into a Pennsylvania field was based on "limited and questionable interpretations" of the cockpit recording.
The theory — described by FBI Director Robert Mueller and disclosed deep within a congressional report on the Sept. 11 attacks — suggests insurgent passengers may not have successfully fought their way into the cockpit and grappled to seize the plane's controls, as has been popularly perceived.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/08/attack/main567260.shtml

Friday August 8, 2003
The report, based on the FBI's analysis of cockpit recordings, does not alter the broader sequence of events - that the plane crashed because of a passenger revolt - but questions some of the detail in the more popular version.
Citing transcripts of the still-secret cockpit recordings, the FBI's director, Robert Mueller, told congressional investigators in a closed session that one of the hijack gang had told their pilot, Ziad Jarrah, to crash the plane to end the passengers' attempt to seize control.
His version of events was disclosed in a brief passage in the 858-page report to the US Congress.
Previous statements by FBI and other government officials about what occurred in the cockpit have been ambiguous.
The FBI strenuously maintains that its suggestion that the passengers did not take control of the plane from the hijackers does not diminish their actions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1015095,00.html

Now, MercutioATC,
you are very well aware of the fact that Ziad Jarrah has been accused of being the hijacker pilot aboard that plane.
You know very well that NOT ONE SINGLE ARAB NAME appears on ANY September 11 manifest which fact has put the writers of the Official Story in quandary.

August 23 2004
CNN is reporting that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah's visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
<snip>
This is of course to reinforce the official story of 9/11 which is crumbling under the weight of 9/11 research and activism. At least a third of the WTC victim's bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition. And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/230804visafound.htm

But I digress,
you were about to produce the birth records of a certain Todd M. Beamer.
Please go ahead.

[MercutioATC]

43. Actually, I was just marveling at the twisted "logic" some here display...

Frankly, our last exchange about Beamer stated my points pretty completely.

[geek tragedy]

44. Wow.

That's self parody for you. A true insight into Conspiracy Theory as religion instead of logic, facts, and sanity.

[DulceDecorum]

54. And if I could discuss YOUR religion

and not get booted off DU,
I would.

This thread is about Flight 77.
Try to stick to the topic.
Or leave.

[DulceDecorum]

46. We, too, marvel at your twisted "logic"

but then again,
where would we all be without neo-cons?
And Dov Zakheim?
And their lime-green lies.

[MercutioATC]

49. DD, are you calling me a "neo-con", hon?

Hmmmm?

[DulceDecorum]

53. No.

I think you have to have brains and a long resume
to qualify as a neo-con.

What does "hon" mean
(to you)
and why do you call me that?

[MercutioATC]

55. Ah, lightly-veiled insults! That's something different...

:eyes:

"Hon" is just a term of endearment, DD. I've come to look forward to your pearls of wisdom.

[DulceDecorum]

56. Thank you

I cast my pearls everywhere,
even in places frowned upon by scripture.

[MercutioATC]

57. Insulting but witty!

My hat's off. I walked into that one.

[DulceDecorum]

58. They say

that if the hat fits
one should wear it.

Johnny Cochran said
that if the glove DOESN'T fit
then we must acquit.

And since Flight 77
does NOT fit
the actual physical evidence
or even the actual database records
of the events of September 11, 2001
We have no choice but
to conclude that
IT WAS NOT FLIGHT 77.

[MercutioATC]

59. Awww...you went and spoiled it...

We had some witty banter going and you had to go and spew innacurate rhetoric again...

[DulceDecorum]

60. Perhaps you should contact Dr. Jack,

http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/ascc.htm
since DulceDecorum deals only with research into the events of
September 11, 2001.

IT WAS NOT FLIGHT 77.

Crispy himself cannot defend his own claims.
That is why he has AGAIN
committed a post and run.

[MercutioATC]

61. You haven't provided that link to anybody else, have you?

Certainly not our missing-since-August 23'rd favorite poster?

That could explain a lot.


Oh, and DD, you're referring to yourself in the third person again....

[DulceDecorum]

64. No, hon.

Sorry to hear of your loss.

(1992, California) Snakes flick their forked tongues in the air to "smell" the world, collecting molecules and analyzing them by pressing their tongue tips tips them into small olfactory pits. An inebriated twenty-year-old man, apparently unaware of this biological fact, took umbrage when a wild rattlesnake stuck out its tongue at him. Tit for tat! He held the rattler in front of his face and stuck his tongue out right back at it. The snake expressed its displeasure at this turn of events by biting the conveniently offered body part. The toxic venom swelled the man's face and throat, choking him to death.

Some witty move, eh, MercutioATC.
But then again, you know that already.
http://www.vhemt.org/
We can see from your actions on this forum,
and your very visible high regard of a genocidal appologist,
http://www.trufax.org/avoid/manifold.html
that you may indeed be aspiring to obtain your own Darwin Award.
We laud any and all efforts you make toward that goal.
Kiss, kiss.

[MercutioATC]

65. Wow! You're really out there, aren't you?

"We can see from your actions on this forum,
and your very visible high regard of a genocidal appologist ...that you may indeed be aspiring to obtain your own Darwin Award. We laud any and all efforts you make toward that goal.
Kiss, kiss."

I'm endangering my life by posting here now?

:shrug:

[carlvs]

66. Yikes!!!

Is it just me, or does it seem that some of more extreme CTers are starting to "lose it..."

[Name removed]

67. Deleted message

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[DulceDecorum]

71. I though you put me on your IGNORE list.

what happened?
Please don't say
that you,
too,
find me
SIMPLY IRRESISTIBLE.

[seatnineb]

68. Questions.

Merc and co......

Care to enlighten us:

How one plane(fl77) can have 2 different approach trajectories.

How one plane (according to 2 eye-witnesses in the same location)can either have:

Its wheels extended

Or

Retracted

Simultaneously.....



How one plane can still display its altitude on a radar screen when its transponder is turned off........

How one plane can look like either a propeller plane or a 757.....

How one plane can have wings that either(according to the so-called eyewitnesses)..........
1)Fold back

2)Fly forward

3)Shear off

4)Disappear.

......simultaneously.

How one plane can explode and leave the smell of cordite in the air.

How one plane can leave traces of depleted uranium.

How one plane can have a passenger who decides not to fly on this plane.....but re-books and takes an earlier flight to LAX instead....a flight according to the BTS.....that does not even exist.....

How one plane can fly behind someone(in a car) at a distance of 300 yards and cause that person NOT to know that it was a 757...and think that it was a missile instead.....

How can one plane be hijacked by an individual who goes by the name of Hanjour.........an individual who is actually 2 people.....

Because the plane known as flight 77 had and did all those things..........

[MercutioATC]

69. Wow! What a laundry list...

I can respond to them if you'll just give me the links to the claims (I'll find the individual reports myself).

It's hard to respond to paraphrases of eyewitness accounts.

[DulceDecorum]

72. Posting on the Democratic Underground

has NEVER qualified anyone
for a Darwin Award.

MODS:
Would you mind explaining to us
what constitutes disruptive behavior on this forum?

[AZCat]

73. I also would like some clarification

I think this is a good idea. We all are better served when we focus on the issues, not the personalities behind particular viewpoints. We may not all agree about the complicity of the Bush Administration in the events of September 11th, but only the Bush Adminstration wins if we end up cutting each others throats.


My $0.02

[RH]

74. Read the rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#moderators

If you have any questions about the rules of this message board, please contact the website administrators by sending an email to [e-mail], or by posting in the "Ask the Administrators" forum. The administrators of this website are Skinner, EarlG, and Elad.

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[DulceDecorum]

80. RH speaks favorably of the rules?????

My how you HAVE changed!!!

I still remember all those times
when you have sneered at the Democratic Underground
and its posters.......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x3371#3392

Did you get religion?
To what do we owe this flipflop?

[MercutioATC]

81. Agreed, so did you have a point?

I believe the rules are pretty well detailed in...amazingly...the "rules" section. You might check there.

[crispy]

83. Cannot defend my claims?

You have yet to respond to any of my "claims". No posts in this thread even mention the points I make on my website.

[DulceDecorum]

84. We kicked your butt before

once
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=8105&mesg_id=8105&listing_type=

and again,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x9377#9377

and we only stopped because you were down and out.

Besides which,
the last paragraph of your page
your FLATLY REFUSE
to address the myriad problems
your own claims create.

Seeking out and individually debunking each and every fallacious or illogical claim posited by those who maintain that the Pentagon was hit by something other than a Boeing 757-200 requires more effort than I want to devote to such an already apparently bogus scenario. However, if concerned individuals would like me to refute some specific argument made by the "no-Boeing" crowd, or believe that the evidence presented thus far does not adequately demonstrate the infeasibility of the "no-Boeing" scenario, they may reach me at this email address. In that event, I will update this page with the argument (possibly including the email as well) alongside its refutation.
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/

When you find the effort to devote yourself
to doing something other than
post and run
claim and flee
sneer and disappear,
and actually come up with something other than the Rove mantra
IT WAS OSAMA
then,
and only then,
might we begin to take you more seriously than a head cold.

[DulceDecorum]

33. So, you agree.

And we DID check up on those names.
We check up on every single thing that Bushco & Supporters say.
And it is ALL lies.

[MercutioATC]

50. "We"??

Who's "we"?

[carlvs]

26. WHY???

So that you can denouce them as "CIA forgeries?" :mad:

Since you have trashed anyone who based their views on the actual engineering analysis of the events of 9/11, basic science, and all the eyewitness reports that contradict your "interpretation" of the facts, what makes anyone think that you would accept this as proof?

[DulceDecorum]

29. WHAT!! The CIA makes forgeries????

OMG What have we come to?

Next you will be telling me that
THERE ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ
and
IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SEPTEMBER 11.

What the heck kind of conspiracy nut are you, carlvs?
What on earth do mean by coming here
and then implying that the CIA makes "forgeries"?
What is WRONG with you man?

The last guy who talked crazy like that,
stepped on a douche-bag which was congenitally attached to his person
and broke his hip.
And NOBODY here shed any tears whatsoever.
Except for maybe
the Sisters.

As for the birth records,
I guess you just cannot produce that which simply does not exist.
But if you have the any documents of any passengers,
please start by producing the records of a certain
Barby the Harpy
who died
as she had lived,
in the toilet
with her mouth open.
:hurts:

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DulceDecorum]

38. Thank you

It is my goal for ALL the Sisters to put me on their IGNORE list.

[carlvs]

23. Who said it had to be THIS government?!?

I remember this movie which had a dying civilization 1000 yrs in the future transporting passengers from planes on the verge of crashing to their time (thanks to massive levels of pollution they had lost the ability to reproduce, so they needed people from our time to keep their population up,) and replacing them with perfectly identical bodies that would be found at the crash site...

Yes it sounds ridiculous, but considering some of the things the CTers here demand that I agree with, this is almost believable. :evilgrin:

[DulceDecorum]

34. 28 classified pages

name the government behind all this.

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

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[geek tragedy]

51. I agree.

The amusement value wears off after a while.

[DulceDecorum]

52. DAMN

I thought I was getting placed on their IGNORE lists.

Promises, promises,
and disruptions disruptions.

[geek tragedy]

15. They have that in common with people who think 77 didn't hit the Pentagon.

[DulceDecorum]

17. Elizabeth,

I'm coming to join you.



And I'm bringing a plane-load of no-good dummies along.
But the good news is
the mean and the ugly Sisters ain't coming.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[geek tragedy]

30. There was the Palestinian girl I had a crush on in Arabic class.

But that was years ago.

[DulceDecorum]

32. August 9, 1949?

Petty girl.
About 15?

[geek tragedy]

37. Close.

1991. Minnesota.

[RH]

42. That must have been

the nearest that DulceDeplorum got to the truth for a long time now.

As they do say, a stopped clock gets to right at least once every day.

:toast:

[DulceDecorum]

45. RH

you have not yet answered my questions.
Try to do so
while we are young..........

But I have to agree with your most salient point that geek tragedy,
like a stopped clock
does manage to spit something truthful out,
once in a while,
despite himself.

Rachel Corie was crushed,
even if she did not study Arabic in Minnesota.

[RH]

76. "a Palestinian"?

If that was not intended to be nothing more than a flagrant personal attack prhaps somebody would care to explain how any Palestinian would relate to Flight 77 issues.

[geek tragedy]

78. I've given up speculating with certain posters.

Beyond comprehension.

[DulceDecorum]

79. Hit the alert button

and cease with the priggish lecture.
:spank:

[k-robjoe]

75. Off topic

"Quiz"

19 arabs plan to crash a passenger jet into the Pentagon. Their planning is pretty thorough.

Question 1 : Does their planning include taking a trip to Washington to have a look at their target?

Yes / No / Ofcourse / Ofcourse not

Question 2 : Having a look at the target ( driving past ), do they notice that there is work going on in one of the wings?
( Contractor trailors, cable spools, generator, people working )

Yes / No / Ofcourse / Ofcourse not

Quetion 3 : Do they conclude that the wing will be mostly empty, and so - if their aim is to hurt the american military the most - there will be little point in hitting this particular wing?

Yes / No / Ofcourse / Ofcourse not

[impe]

77. Hee Hee

Stop thinking logically. Remember these box cutter wielding terrorists, out-flying the US military,
planned to the nanosecond just where exactly on the pentagon they would hit. Of course, ramming the empty
wing would make a fine statement. Take that you infidels. We should not forget to mention that due to their flying
skills they were able to carry out the mission without disrupting the commuters on nearby highway 10.