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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:03 PM
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The Zapruder Film
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 01:06 PM by k-robjoe
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:14 PM
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1. TV Fakery alert. n/t
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 01:16 PM
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2. John Costella: JFK assassination film hoax
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:59 PM
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3. The Massive Coverup of JFK's Suicide

As the car emerges from the Stennis Freeway sign, you can clearly see JFK reaching up toward his head, and holding a pistol in his own hand.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 04:06 PM
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4. I believe you mean the "Stemmons Freeway", unless....
someone moved Dallas from Texas to Mississippi and forgot to tell me.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:41 PM
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5. Well, there... you see...

They changed that too.

And, thanks for posting that.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:58 PM
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6. Thank you for thanking me for....
whatever you thanked me for.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:45 PM
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7. It was not suicide
it was a massive cerebral hemorrhage. His blood pressure was so high, his head exploded. Strictly natural causes.
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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:12 AM
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8. Frame 224 - The lapel flap


Connally is hit (according to some) and JFK already has his hands moving up towards his neck. All in 0.004 seconds.

Two bullets.

No question.
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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:04 PM
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9. The video in the OP has at least one good point.
Look where the Police bikes are in Z-224



Look where they are the frame before Kennedy is shot in the head, Z-312.



The car slowed down, some say it stopped when the shooting started, but if you watch the Zapruder film in sequence the vehicle does not appear to slow down at any point. Either the cops sped up or the car slowed/stopped.

Witnesses say the car stopped.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:10 PM
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10. Does not appear to slow down?
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 10:16 PM by jberryhill
Seriously?

Describing motion with two isolated still frames, when you can watch the video itself, seems kind of odd....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozx4_4DZp38

Before the head shot, the driver turns around to figure out WTF is the commotion in the car. He's not watching where he's driving, and the car slows down. Maintaining a constant speed while looking backward, would be kind of a tough trick.

You can plainly see the motorcycles advance toward the respective rear sides of the car when it slows down.

Compare to the Nix film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKsZ7ijo-wM&feature=related

Is it really a mystery to you how the motorcycles got there?

Then, compare to the Muchmore film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vbgwB3_C4s&NR=1

Were all three 8mm films doctored to show the same motion?

It's not as if Zapruder was the only person there with a camera.




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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:56 AM
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11. Correct. Does not appear to slow down.
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 11:57 AM by Bassman66
Watch the people on the sidewalk, not the people in the car.
That's the point of the OP.
The Cop on the bike catches up with the car - the Cop the public didn't see for years until the hidden part of each frame was published. That would only happen if he sped up or the car slowed down, the Cop bikes had seemingly kept the same pace all through until just before the head shot.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:24 PM
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13. The car looks like it slows down to me....

The camera is panning, so I don't know what watching the people on the sidewalk is going to do. At the point where the car appears to slow down briefly, we are just past Mary Moorman and before anyone else in view. Looking at the grass, though, it seems there is a brief slowdown right around the time the head shot occurs.

But more prominently, if you watch everyone's head in the car, they all lurch forward a bit when the car slows down. (at around 12 seconds here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6684334708150917249)

It looks to me that the car slows down when the driver turns almost completely around. Try driving a car in the forward direction, turning around to look in the back seat, and keeping a constant speed.

Given the way that agent Clint Hill comes running up to the back of the limo, from having jumped off of the sideboard of the following car, the driver may have intentionally slowed down so that he could catch up, since both the driver and the agent next to him are looking back in that direction.
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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:04 PM
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12. Nix film - original is lost.
But it's obvious from the clip on youtube that the car slowed down before the head shot, something not apparent from the Zapruder film.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:25 PM
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14. In both films..
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 01:29 PM by jberryhill
...it looks like the car slowed down when the driver turned around - either as a result simply of the driver turning around to find out what was the commotion in back, or to let agent Clint Hill catch up to the back.

Aside from which, in the Muchmore film - The brake lights come on.
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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 03:00 PM
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15. Zapruder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozx4_4DZp38

Keep watching the people on the sidewalk.

The motion is continuous and that is the point made in the OP.
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