Unthinkable Question: ...But just how sure are we OSAMA attacked us?

[bush equals idiot]

Just for discussion. What evidence do we really have that Bin Laden was the architect for 911?

We know the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. And there certainly was no way to interview any of them. There was nothing left of them but charred remains. Mushariff wouldn't cooperate with interrogators. They reported he would hardly say squat.

Obviously it was from the Al Quaida network somewhere. But what hard core proof do we have it was in fact OBL and nobody else?

The videotape you say. He's sitting there with some others and talking about the Towers falling. And how he didn't anticipate they would fall to the ground.

Aha, but what if he just took credit and left the tape to be "discovered?"

Have we found him dumb enough before to leave an incriminating tape like that behind, just lying in the cave? He's got the highest tech and most advanced military in the world looking for him. And he's making more videotapes than the Rolling Stones. So we know he was alive then. Even if he's not now. That sure doesn't make him very dumb.

We know certainly it was a terrorist organized effort. But would our "evidence" against him as the mastermind for 911 stand up for conviction in one of our courts with what we know now? I'm not so sure.

I know I'm dabbling near the third rail here. But wouldn't that be a fine kettle of fish.

[apnu]

1. I've been asking this question since 9/12/04...

... and nobody has listened to me. Hell, when I bring it up, people look at me like I'm a terrorist.

I've often thought it strange that on the day of 9/11 people were saying OBL and it just became fact by way of urban legend apparently.

[WoodrowFan]

46. and it's been answered

here, sit and read..

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm


bye bye

[stickdog]

58. Where's the evidence?

That work of fiction is nice.

What is the ACTUAL evidence that:

1) all the folks mentioned in that little piece died on Flights 93, 175, 77 and 11 on 9/11,

2) the identities we've given them are real, and

3) they were all working for OBL?


Because I didn't see a shred.

[RH]

71. In the real World.

The World beyond your PC screen.

If you ever get back to it maybe you'll catch up.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[stickdog]

75. insults <> evidence

[tngledwebb]

67. Dear sledgehammer-to-the-heads-of-other-DU'ers fan,

Please show 'answers' in this report. Or questions. Or answer this- what part of the Official 9/11 story ever troubled your sleep? And only say 'bye bye' when you mean it.

[grandg]

54. Perfect Patsy

It has been documented that Bin Laden has contact with his family members, Khashoggi, Arab Royalty from all over the middleeast and the highest ranking arab politicians. Why do you think they were in contact? Because they like visitng his afghan hideaway?

Bin Laden may be in on, but there are so many other players in this that to name just Bin Laden is farcical.

Look at Hopsicker's story from a month back about the Chief Military Attache for the Moroccan Embassy in DC. This guy has many ties to the 911 plot.

Add Sibel Edmonds remarks about prosecutions of top ranking US officials for complicity in 911, and it becomes clear that this was not just Bin Laden.

[beniciodeltoro]

2. there has been absolutely no investigation, so we do not

that tape they just happened to find is just too damn funny

[MrSlayer]

3. I'm sure he didn't. MIHOP

The Neo-Cons set it up and executed it, in time this will be shown.

[Nlighten1]

I was think this same thing the other day...

They have lied about every thing else...why should we believe this?

[Hobarticus]

4. So it was Saddam, after all, then?

Osama claimed responsibility.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. Fat Osama confessed; Skinny Osama didn't.

Remember the first, last, and only time we say Fat Osama? He was on the tape providentially discovered by the US in Afghanistan, and released by the State Department.

Now, how phat is that?

[beniciodeltoro]

18. Fat Osama did it!

He's obviously a black man, probably plays the blues
somewhere in Chicago. Terra is his hobby.

Anyone who can look at those still shots and think that
is Bin Laden has Been Drinkin.'

[demodewd]

53. head transplant

That's Osama with his new head. He had a transplant just prior to the footage. Evidently things went well.:P

[stickdog]

59. Later in the same video, "Osama" also claimed the Andy Kaufman faked

his own death. So you have to take what he says with a grain of salt ...

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. "We don't need evidence, we know he's guilty"

George Bush, September, 2001

No link, but I heard him say it live on CNN, and it is unlikely that I was the only one viewing at that time.

[beniciodeltoro]

12. the whole truth would tear this country apart

might be just what we need

[RH]

40. If you really want to know the truth

why listen to GW Bush?

:shrug:

How could it possibly help?

Would you seriously mean to suppose that he owns the faintest comprehension of the truth?

[demodewd]

55. :shrug:

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[judy]

6. This is not such an unthinkable question...

no one has ever taken responsibility for the 9/11 2001 attack. Aside from the tape with the "fat Osama", which might be a total fake for all we know.

Anyway, the point is moot, as "terror" is not a country with a definite army, and a head of state. The attack was masterminded in Hamburg, and financed by who knows whom, in conjunction with OBL probably, but since there has not been ANY real investigation of 9/11, we don't know who was the mastermind.

They can kill/capture OBL all they want. It will create even more terrorists, smarter ones, richer ones.

The "war on terror" is a scam, and the more it is waged, the more terrorists it will create. I only wish Kerry and Edwards stopped saying they would wage a better war on terror. War is the beloved mother of Terror, they get along fine, thank you.

[Maple]

7. Bush announced it was Osama that day

so Osama became the accepted villain. There has never been any evidence produced to support that though.

And Osama...in a 'verified' tape...has never taken responsibility for it. He's rejoiced and praised Allah and all, but never directly said he did it.

And I specify a 'verified' tape because there have been lots of tapes, but none we can be sure of as being genuine.

[GHOSTDANCER]

8. No Evidence!!!.... And Osama has even said he didn't do it.

If he did wouldn't he want to take credit for it?

[WoodrowFan]

47. BS

there's no evidence the world isn't flat either I guess.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

bye bye

[stickdog]

60. That's a nice little yarn.

Now where's the actual EVIDENCE?

[RH]

68. the actual EVIDENCE,

a small collection at least, is is held by Federal officials.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040912-125608-7761r


A sworn affidavit was signed by Flight Attendent Carter.

Do you happen to have an affidavit to another effect?

I didn't think so.

It is the hecklers who have no evidence to make a case of.

[tngledwebb]

73. Wash Times too!

Must be true.

[stickdog]

74. Hearsay concerning possible evidence isn't admissable.

But I realize that people like Gomer Pyle doesn't understand the difference.

FBI officials in Washington have refused to comment on the items for "security reasons," said Ed Cogswell, a spokesman at the bureau's headquarters.

Like the officials in Washington, Mr. Margolin would not comment on specifics.

According to news reports, one personal effect recovered from the wreckage in New York was the passport of Satam M. A. Al Suqami, a Saudi Arabian national believed to have been on American Airlines Flight 11, which slammed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

Jesus Christ, I ask for evidence and you post this? My God, man, even Johnny Cochran would be blushing!

[olddem43]

9. It was Clinton, after all.

He is responsible for everything bad that occurred during the Bushco admin.

[Malva Zebrina]

10. no evidence and we have never been given any evidence at alll

as to Bin Laden's complicity in this attack.

We have only been given hype, without evidence. To me that says something.

We cannot believe a word that comes from our government. Nota word. we have seen it over and over.

We have NEVER been given proof that Bin Laden orchestrated this attack and it lies in the same catagory as the one where this Bush regime successfully connected, in the minds of a vast majority of sheeple, that Saddam was connected to the attack on the WTC.

It is the same propaganda. NO ONE has presented any real evidence that it was Al Quaida, or Bin Laden who was responsible and to add to that, there has been a cover up of the details.
]

[napi21]

11. I watched video's of Osama at least appearing to say convincing

things. "We didn't expect the towers to colapse...better than we thought." I realize I don't know the language, but I did see him smile, and use mannerisms that sure appeared to be related to the attacks.

I am willing to accept that Osama masterminded the attack because I think there are enough people around the world who do understand this language, and would have debunked this story if not true!

[atreides1]

22. I'm Not Willing To Accept Anything From This Administration

Unlike you, and after the report on WMD's, and the total debunking of any relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, I don't buy into anything that this administration has had it's hands into.

When the video came out, it was touted as a smoking gun, it was a amoking gun alright, a BB gun. There is more evidence that the Saudi government could have been involved, when you consider that it was 15 Saudis that hijacked and then flew those planes into buildings and into the ground.

Some Arab linguists that I have known say that it's not just the language, it's also the nuances that you have to look for. Just like when that Egyptian pilot was accused of intentionally crashing the EgyptAir jet he was on. Several differnt Arab linguists got several different translations from the cockpit voice recorder, and could not
agree on what was actually said by the pilot. Not that it mattered, the passengers and crew were still dead.

In Hawaiian one word, like "Aloha" has many different meanings, it just depends on how and when the word is used. And Arabic is a more complex language then Hawaiian is.

[Southsideirish]

35. Frankly, I wouldn't believe anything from any administration.

They are all into self preservation at all costs.

[RH]

41. What did the Hamburg acquital preserve?

http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/justiz/gerichte/oberlandesgericht/aktuelles/presseerklaerungen/pressemeldung-2004-08-19-olg-30.html

[stickdog]

61. Yeah! Same thing with Saddam's WMDs. He must have had them!

Otherwise, why didn't all the people who must have known he didn't get well publicized interviews on US prime time television shows?

Explain that!

[whistle]

13. Exactly my question also, which is why there is MIHOP/LIHOP...

...theories out there

[MoonRiver]

15. I've always assumed he did it. But I've also wondered how the government

"knew" within hours after the attack that he was the mastermind and exactly who the perpetrators on the planes were. It was as if the whole thing had been preordained and * was the prophet, of doom in this case.
:scared:

[indigobusiness]

16. He's guilty until proven innocent

in Bushworld.

[Bjornsdotter]

17. Just went over this with a Bush voter today.... n/t

[DemVIctory]

21. PNAC plans conceived in the late 90's

could not come into effect unless America experienced a 'new Pearl Harbor.' Interesting how it just fell into their laps.

[kixot]

19. Woah there, slow that bus down, mario andretti!

Let's not get too far into the tinfoil feel here, it's hard enough getting credibility with the media on the Saddam/911 thing, let's not get elbow deep in that train wreck.

OBL has reportedly bin seen in a son's wedding commenting on the 9/11 plot, at I think so. Anyhow, there's no better way to increase disdain of the undecideds than by blaming 9/11 on the administration. Our best approach is to suggest incompetence rather than complicity.

[Journeyman]

20. On September 25, 2001, Powell said the US would release. . .

a White Paper very soon detailing all the evidence they had against OBL and al Qaeda. I don't have a link handy, but then, Colin didn't have the info handy, either. The White Paper was never released.

[bush equals idiot]

23. It's the thought behind this thread.

How do we know that Bin Laden was active in the planning, and executing the order of those hijacked planes?

He sure as hell wasn't aboard any of those planes. Combine that with how Bush sat there for seven minutes. Then all of a sudden, all the Bin Laden family gets a free pass out of the country when every other plane in the country is grounded.

Then combine that with how deceitful and downright evil this Bush group is. Then combine that with, all of a sudden there was this urgent need to kill Saddam Hussein. That wouldn't be the one who tried to kill his father would it? Then combine that with the fact his own counter terrorism expert tells him Iraq had nothing to do with the attack.

Then combine that with his irritation when Kerry confronted him with it at the debate. Didn't look like he really wanted to say the name Bin Laden did he. Perhaps his little plan of quickly getting revenge using the entire United States military backfired when what he thought would be just a quick kill-- and out, turned into a Viet Nam mess?

Then combine that with the fact we have seen nothing that would hold up in small claims court. Let alone in a Federal criminal court of law.

Could it be there's a lot more to this story that we don't know about? The "smoking gun" videotape was a two day news story and gone. So I personally have seen NO proof it was Bin Laden.

I'm not saying complicit or incompetent. I'm saying it might be a lot more sinister. I'm saying it might be both!

[maxwall]

24. Precisely... We've seen no evidence...

I don't think we ever will. People will just accept it as fact b/c they've heard it over and over and over. Speaking as an "almost lawyer", I want proof. Something that would hold up in court. And I don't think I've seen anything that is very credible evidence on who is behind it.
Granted, deep down, I think OBL might have been behind it. But I also feel like the BFEE had something to do with it along with him...

[bush equals idiot]

25. There is a lot of slimy activity

that we don't know about that's going on between Bush and the Saudi Prince too. A WHOLE lot!!

[life_long_dem]

27. Can you say-SHORT Tech stocks. BUY Defense stocks.

BUY Oil stocks
SHORT Bank stocks
Spread Fear....

[IronLionZion]

26. How many people does it take.....

I doubt there were that many people in on it. If too many people were involved, something would slip and secret would be out. Al Qaeda could have definitely done this on their own.

But you bring up a very interesting point. There could have been other groups involved or even governments. Pakistan has a long history of supporting terrorists and mass murderers. And Iran and Libya are known sponsors of terror.

[bush equals idiot]

30. Equally important.

Why is he so cozy with Prince Bandar?

Did you know he was with Bush, both were smoking cigars in the White House while the Bin Ladens were on a US escort plane taking them out of the country?

Did you know, he's so twisted up with him, that Bandar was notified of the imminent start of the attack before many high ranking officials in the US knew?

That's all very interesting stuff when you consider that all the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

[RH]

42. How do we know?

There was a trial,

in Hamburg.

It established the reality of Al Qa'eda.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48549-2002Nov27.html

BERLIN, Nov. 27 -- A Jordanian who claims to have briefly served on Osama bin Laden's personal security detail told a German court today that the al Qaeda chief declared to followers at a training camp in Afghanistan six months before the Sept. 11 attacks last year that there would be "thousands of deaths" in the United States.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

28. Today I was talking to someone knowledgeable about the aviation industry

He said that the training the alleged hijackers had in the U.S. would not have been enough to teach them how to fly passenger jets, and his guess is that they were actually on a different assignment that involved using crop dusters to spread biological or chemical weapons.

He said that whoever piloted the planes on 9/11 had to have been trained on similar aircraft, or else they would not have known what to do once they were in the cockpit.

[life_long_dem]

29. Microsoft Flight Simulator Software

It literally teaches a person how to fly.
Anything is possible....

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

34. I don't believe it.

Especially flight 77, flying so low and in the ground effect at 500 mph hitting light poles and not tumbling. I just find it amazing that a first-time twin-jet-engine-commercial pilot did that.

[WoodrowFan]

48. why?

all he had to doi is CRASH the jet, no land it safely. sheesh.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch9.htm

[RH]

50. Why is it amazing

that a bad pilot hit lamp poles?

A good pilot would never have chosen such a precarious trajectory.

There was absolutely no need to choose such a precarious trajectory, nor any evidence whatoseoever anywhere along the line to show that the trajectory was as a matter of fact chosen by anybody.

[stickdog]

62. The absudity of your "argument" is stunning.

In RH world, Hollywood hires the worst drivers to pull off the most daring stunts. And it makes perfect sense.

[RH]

66. The truth often is stunning.

You have no absolutley no proof, do you that anybody had actually planned for Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

It is therefore perfectly logical to doubt that anybody was hired, that such a stunt was intended or planned.

[Minstrel Boy]

78. "You have no proof that anybody actually planned to hit the Pentagon"

And hey, maybe Bush was right about Flight 11: "There's one terrible pilot."

I mean, we have no proof that anybody actually planned to hit the World Trade Center.

[linazelle]

31. Bush said he did and that's good enuff for me dammit!

:eyes:

[joanne]

33. Didnt the British media report at least some of the "hijackers" are alive?

I dont have a link... maybe someone else does. But I am sure they reported this.

Also, who can forget the story that a passport from one of the hijackers was found in NY?

They couldnt find the black boxes but they recovered a passport???

I dont know what happened that awful day. But I am convinced we havent been given the real story.

[RH]

43. 'seuspects' was in quotation marks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Hijackers with similar identities did turn up but there was never any serious suspicion that they were anywhere near to the USA in 2001.

The suspects that were in the USA on 9/11 were real and they have not since been accounted for as anything other than thoroughly dead.

[stickdog]

63. Really? Where is the EVIDENCE that confirms this fantasy of yours? (nt)

[RH]

70. See for instance

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/

It provides an abundant collection of information.

The previous conduct of the hijack supects is remarkably well covered.

[stickdog]

76. There is evidence that some people once lived lives and did stuff.

That's all.

Your ability to blithely overlook the disconnection is stunning.

[RH]

77. overlook?

and the Hamburg trial?

[stickdog]

80. And what does the Hamburg trial prove about who did what and why on 9/11?

Hint: Nothing whatsoever.

[spanone]

32. 'Cause bushco told us so and they would never lie to us..........

oh shit.

[Princess Turandot]

36. Whether it's unthinkable or not, it's a distraction that no one needs..

right now. People can believe that the film which purports to show Bin Laden discussing the event is faked but there is no way to prove this in a universally credible way between the election and now, if ever. Discussing this now will just make Democrats look desperate, and it's not going to gain any votes, since anyone who thinks this was planned by the current administration already thinks that. This is likely to be the proverbial 'grassy knoll' for the next 30 years.

My recollection of at least one video where OBL was discussing 9-11 after it happened, was that it was a video that it made its way to Al-Jazeera, not something found in a cave, but maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm thinking of the video where he seemed to be amused that not all of the hijackers knew it was a suicide mission, believing it instead to be a hijacking for prisoner release or whatever.

You also can't underestimate the power of arrogance, even in very smart people, so his boasting about this, if he is guilty, would not surprise me in the least.

[DuctapeFatwa]

37. That's right. Best not to ask questions when the likelihood that you will

be either pleased or comforted by the answers is so infinitesimal.

And especially so close to an election.

[Tim Howells]

38. Did Ossama bin Laden attack us?

No knowledgable person believes that Al Qaeda and bin Laden were
anything more than patsies in the attacks of September 11.

For example ask Milton Bearden. He was with the CIA from
1964 - 1994. As its field officer in Afghanistan, he oversaw
the CIA's $3bn covert aid program for Afghan rebels fighting
the Soviets. During the 1980's, he was CIA station chief in
the Sudan. When asked about bin Laden's connection to
September 11 in a PBS interview he laughs:

We've blamed him for every horrible event in our
history except the grassy knoll. And now we have,
with I'm not sure what evidence, linked him to all
of the terrorist acts of this year ... of this
decade, perhaps ... There's a lot of fiction in
there. But we like that. It's the whole Osama bin
Laden mythology. It's almost part entertainment.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/interviews/bearden.html

In another interview on CBS,

Rather asked Bearden if he thought bin Laden
was responsible for the terrorist "Attack on America."
Bearden downright snubbed the possibility. Instead, he
explained, a far more sophisticated intelligence
operation had to be behind these precise coordinated
attacks. Dan Rather, committed to demonizing bin Laden,
restated his concern. "Look," Bearden surprisingly
blurted ... "if they didn't have an Osama bin Laden,
they would invent one."

http://tetrahedron.org/news/attack_on_america.html

Or you could ask former CIA official Robert Baer, who was Case
Officer in the Directorate of Operations for the CIA from 1976
to 1997 and who received the Career Intelligence Medal in 1997.
While Baer concedes that while bin Laden may possibly have had
some role in September 11, he says:

Did bin Laden act alone, through his own al-Qaida
network, in launching the attacks? About that I'm far
more certain and emphatic: no.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,631434,00.html

More expert opinions:

U.S. military intelligence expert Professor Anthony
Cordesman Senior Fellow in Strategic Assessment at the
Washington-based Center for Strategic and International
Studies (CSIS) and former senior official in the Office
of the Secretary of Defense, the State Department, the
Department of Energy, the Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency, and the NATO International Staff
strongly warned against assuming that Osama bin Laden's
al Qaeda was to blame.

He emphasized the fact that no known terrorist network,
including al Qaeda, has the capability to carry out the
sophisticated 11 September attacks alone: "There is a
level of sophistication and co-ordination that no
counterterrorism expert had ever previously anticipated,
and we don't have a group that we can immediately
identify that has this kind of capability."

Eckehardt Werthebach, former President of Germany's
domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, notes
that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of
planning" behind the 11 in September attacks would
have required "years of planning." An operation of
this level of sophistication, would need the "fixed
frame" of a state intelligence organization,
something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists
like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he
studied in Hamburg, Germany. Werthebach thus argues that
the scale of the attacks indicates that they were a
product of "state organized actions.

http://cafe.utne.com/motet/guest/motet?show+-uhhv0L+-ilad+Politics+118

Tim Howells

[RH]

39. So what then is your alternative explanation

of the conduct of the suspects on 9/11 and before?

You may perhaps prefer to surmise that they were somehow connected to USA secret services but I see nothing more to prove that than there is to prove a connection with OBL.

[Tim Howells]

56. The 911 attacks were controled by the US Government

> So what then is your alternative explanation"
> of the conduct of the suspects on 9/11 and before?
> You may perhaps prefer to surmise that they were
> somehow connected to USA secret services but I see
> nothing more to prove that than there is to prove
> a connection with OBL.

Well, almost all of the hijackers gained entrance to the States
legally via the "Visa Express" in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman,
formerly the head U.S. consular officer in Jeddah has shed light on
how and why these visas were issued. According to Springman:

*
"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State
Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These
were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to
their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned
to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General
Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the
Inspector General's office. I was met with silence ...

"What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits,
rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the
CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the
then-Soviets."

<"Has someone been sitting on the FBI?," Greg Palast, BBC Newsnight,[br />November 6, 2001
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm ]
*

The National Review has publisheda careful study of the manner in
which the hijackers entered the U.S. that concludes that the awarding
ofvisas to these applicants is "inexplicable." This is the strong
consensus opinion of several government officials with extensive
hands-on experience with the process of issuing visas in this part of
the world:

*
All six experts strongly agreed that even allowing for human error, no
more than a handful of the visa applications should have managed to
slip through the cracks. Making the visa lapses even more
inexplicable, the State Department claims that at least 11 of the 15
were interviewed by consular officers. Nikolai Wenzel, one of the
former consular officers who analyzed the forms, declares that State's
issuance of the visas "amounts to criminal negligence."

<"Visas that Should Have Been Denied--A look at 9/11 terrorists’ visa[br />applications," Joel Mowbray, National Review Online, October 9, 2002
http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp ]
*

Furthermore, several of the hijackers had training at secure military
installationsin the U.S.<2> The locations where the hijackers received
training include:

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station
- Lackland Air Force Base
- Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama
- Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama
- The Defense Language Institute in Monterey

"Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases--The Pentagon has
turned over military records on five men to the FBI," George
Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, NEWSWEEK, September 15,
2001
http://propagandamatrix.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

"Did Bush Know?--Warning Signs of 9-11 and Intelligence Failures,"
Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, May 18, 2002
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html (This is a long file. A
string search on "military sources" will take you to the right
paragraph.)

So What is my theory? It is this - The hijackers were part of
a "Northwoods" or "Gladio" style operation - i.e. controled
opposition. They were trained and allowed to carry out terrorist
acts by the U.S. government which then was ready to pounce with
the "Patriot Act" suppressing civil liberties at home and the
invasion of the oil-rich Middle East justified as a "War on
Terrorism" abroad.

Tim Howells

[stickdog]

64. What EVIDENCE proves these guys were planning a suicidal hijacking?

Other than the obviously planted airport "evidence", nothing whatsoever.

[RH]

69. There iappears to be no direct evidence of a suicidal intention.

There is some circumstantial evidence in previous communication with friends, that sort of thing.

[WoodrowFan]

44. backwards

you claimed "No knowledgable person believes that Al Qaeda and bin Laden were anything more than patsies in the attacks of September 11." Actually, no knowledgable person doubts it was bin Laden and AQ. please take your tin foil elsewhere.

bye bye

[WoodrowFan]

45. oh for christ's sake

read the 9-11 report people. jeezus/ And when Kerry is elected and says Bin laden and Aq did 9-11 what sorry excuses will you find then to doubt it??

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

[DuctapeFatwa]

49. I think your concerns are exaggerated. Kerry has said it, more than once

I do not think that you need to be concerned that there will be any groundswell of demand on the part of the public that the 911 events be looked into any more closely.

[gandalf]

57. You are completely right. If Kerry said it, it must be true.

And for sure the 9/11 report answered every single question that might have been open until then comprehensively.

The credentials of the commissioners and their long experience make any doubt impossible.

End of discussion.

(Four legs good)

[stickdog]

65. Yes, Kerry has always been the ultimate arbiter of truth.

Thanks for reminding us of his perfection in this regard.

[Endangered Specie]

79. I guess they will all be voting for Nader?

:shrug:

You do realize that all the CTers in here will dismiss the 9/11 panel as part of the "Grand conspiracy".

[leftofthedial]

51. we couldn't even charge him with the "evidence" at hand

just like Saddam, who is now guilty of being the dictator in a country we invaded illegally.

[number6]

52. not sure

fat osama or skinny osama or shiek kalid mohammed or
lee harvey oswald or ....