Hart-Rudman report,

[RC]

On January 31, 2001, the bipartisan Hart-Rudman Commission issued its final report, urging significantly greater attention to terrorist attacks on the US. Bush ignored the report. In early May, Bush actually blocked Senate hearings on the Hart-Rudman report by announcing plans for a brand new commission led by Dick Cheney - which never met before 911.

>SNIP<

Dick Cheney (Vice President)

* Cheney was present at nearly all of Bush's intelligence briefings from the start of the administration.
* Cheney was responsible for blocking Senate hearings on the Hart-Rudman report by having Bush announce plans for a brand new commission led by Cheney - which never met before 911.
* On September 11, 2001, Cheney was in charge of the government and was therefore directly responsible for the administration's far-too-slow response to the unfolding crisis. What was Cheney doing?
* At around 10:00 am, Cheney ordered the shooting down of Flight 93 over Pennsylvania three times, with a jet in pursuit. The Bush administration claims the Flight 93 simply crashed, but engine parts and other crash debris were found miles away on a windless day - strong evidence that the jet shot off the engine with a missile. When will Cheney tell the truth about shooting down the plane with the 911 heroes?

Donald Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense)

* Rumsfeld killed a request to shift $800 million from missile defense to counter-terrorism
* Rumsfeld ordered the grounding of the innovative Predator drone sent up by President Clinton to track and possibly kill Osama bin Laden
* On the morning of 9/11, only 14 jets were on alert at seven locations in the US, despite weeks of warnings about an attack on the US and fears of a hijacking. Why didn't Rumsfeld put the Air Force on a higher state of alert?

http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=278

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On May 5th, 2001, Bush rejected the Hart-Rudman report, a two and a half year study on the threat of terrorism, considered to be the most in-depth security analysis since the National Security Act of 1947, which created the National Security Council and the CIA. The fourteen member panel of intelligence and military experts, coming to the conclusion that "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers," recommended many improvements in our defenses (enacted since 9/11), including the creation of a National Homeland Security Agency. (10)

>SNIP<

Richard Clarke, Bush's former top anti-terrorism adviser, has condemned the administration's stance on the war on terror. Clarke, who served as deputy assistant and assistant Secretary of State in both the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations, and was held over by both the Clinton and Bush administrations as their terrorism czars, holds the record as the longest continuously serving senior White House staff member. (36)
He has a 30 year history in government service. In March 2004 Clarke said: "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know... I think he's done a terrible job on the war against terrorism... on January 24th, 2001, I wrote a memo to Condoleezza Rice asking for, urgently -- underlined urgently -- a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack. And that urgent memo wasn't acted on... The cabinet meeting I asked for right after the inauguration, took place one week prior to 9/11." (37)

http://driventotears.com/HTML/911.html


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If the bu$h administration went to all this trouble help the terrorists by "ignoring them", and it is quite evident they knew what was planned, why couldn't they also prepare the WTC for demolition? They had the time to do it. The outgoing Clinton administration knew within a week or so that something was being planned and passed that information on to the bu$h administration. The bu$h administration ignored that information and they did their own study. Condoleezza Rice had called a press conference on their study for 9/12/2001. That press conference never took place and the report has never been made public.

RC

[RC]

1. Here is evidence of LIHOP/MIHOP and no one wants to touch it?

Golly-gee already. Surprise, surprise.:sarcasm:

[LARED]

2. I think the problem is your

definition of evidence is very different that most of the world.

[RC]

3. Why else would the bu$h administration 'ignore' so many warnings from so may sources?

[seemslikeadream]

6. MONEY = POWER

I believe some people here can not comprehend what lengths will be taken for power. For people who worship gold there is never enough.



Do they not think there are people just the same running around the earth today?


The same? No heaves no, they have learned to be 100 times as vicious.

Silent Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROyCDuSXgA

[Bolo Boffin]

7. "what lengths will be taken for power" does not justify taking your illusions seriously

Evidence will get your ideas taken seriously.

Dark imaginings justified by "what lengths will be taken for power" are just that. Great for chatter at the bar, lousy for motivating anyone to do anything politically.

[seemslikeadream]

8. bullshit

If you don't believe evil has evolved through time you are in for a surprise one day.

[seemslikeadream]

9. Do you believe Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge, etc........

and their proteges just faded away?







Photo of painting showing how the Khmer Rouge killed children.






Painting showing how babies where killed by bashing their heads against a tree, the mother is dragged away, gruesome.



Photo of excavation pit with skulls of people killed by the Khmer Rouge





They Thought They Were Free - Read by Dave Emory


The Germans, 1933-45

Excerpt from pages 166-73 of "They Thought They Were Free" First published in 1955

By Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

....

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, THE SHOCK DOCTRINE will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’



Michael Parenti - Terrorism, Globalism & Conspiracy

"Coincidence Theory: By sheer chance things just happen repeatedly and coincidentally to benefit their interests without any conscious connivance by them, which is most uncanny. There is also: Stupidity Theory, Innocence Theory, Momentary Aberration Theory, Incompetence Theory, Unintended Consequences Theory and Innocent Cultural Proclivities Theory."

- Michael Parenti





I'd love to know what YOU think is happening in India

[LARED]

10. Question

You seem to imply that folks in the Bush administration are akin to and seek atrocities like Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge, etc, unleashed in the world. This is a pretty regular theme of yours.

No one I know seems to make this moral equivalence except you and a few other CT'er.

Where did you guys think this up?

[seemslikeadream]

12. Let me recap

I'll start with the obvious and MOST recent but I could go back 30 years and other countries if you would like to prove my point.


Iraq refugees 1.5 million

http://www.refugeesinternational.org/where-we-work/middle-east/iraq


Dead Iraqis 100,000 or quite a bit more depending on source used

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/


Destruction of Iraq - YOU make the call on that one (Depleted Urainium and the like)




I'll continue at a later time if you insist on more proof

[LARED]

27. Let's get to the heart of the matter first

to prove my point.


What is your point?

[LARED]

50. I'll ask again. What is your point? nt

[seemslikeadream]

14. I think the U.S. government is responsible for 3 million Vietnamese deaths

is that not correct LARED?


Left a whole lot of Agent Orange there, did we not LARED?

[LARED]

29. Studying history must be a breeze for you

Summarized by stating all modern atrocities, coups, wars, etc are the sole responsibility of America.

[seemslikeadream]

31. Just WHO do YOU think is responsible for 3 milion dead Vietnamese?

[seemslikeadream]

15. Do you know about the promises we made to the Hmong (our dear friends)

Do you know what is happening to them now, since we broke our promises to them?

[seemslikeadream]

16. Our dear friend Kissenger?

Pinochet? Need I remind you of what that sweet ally had done?

[seemslikeadream]

20. OMG before the SD spelling police get here It's Kissinger

[seemslikeadream]

17. Do I need to mention what an American company did in Bhopal?

Do you think the American men responsible for this sleep well at night, and the men in charge of our government at the time? I'm sure they didn't shed one tear or lose one moment of sleep.

[LARED]

28. An American company in Bhopal that

partnered with the India government. (US owned 51% of the plant, and India owned 49%)

You seem to imply Bhopal was not an accident. Is that your point?

[seemslikeadream]

30. No that is NOT my point

Tell me when did the U.S. government and Union Carbide EVER take FULL responsibility for what their negligence meant?

[LARED]

48. First off, why would the US government have any responsibility

for the negligence of Union Carbide?

[seemslikeadream]

52. We're talking about evil LARED, pay attention

[LARED]

54. You need to pay attention

SLAD

"Tell me when did the U.S. government and Union Carbide EVER take FULL responsibility for what their negligence meant?"

I responded by asking how the US government is responsible for the negligence of Union Carbide.

Your turn to explain yourself.

[Bolo Boffin]

56. Spiritual warriors don't have to explain themselves

Explanations are evil.

[LARED]

57. Unfortunately the explanation is always the same

The USA is responsible for all the evil in the world.

[seemslikeadream]

32. US Has Its Own Record of Atrocities

http://www.commondreams.org/views/122300-101.htm

DURING SERBIA'S FORCED depopulation of Kosovo in 1999, Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslavian president, acknowledged that irregular Serbian forces were committing excesses while fighting Kosovar insurgents. He claimed, however, that these were mild when compared with US war crimes in Vietnam.

Slobodan Milosevic was a deceptive autocrat responsible for the deaths of thousands, but he had a point. Compared with the US record in Vietnam, Serbia's Kosovo atrocities were far fewer.


Remember My Lai? In just a few hours, Lieutenant William Calley's men shot or knifed more than 400 men, women, and children, raping and mutilating some victims. Even that chilling episode, however, pales alongside US tactics in the Vietnamese and Cambodian countryside, where high explosives, napalm, and defoliant were the methods of choice.


Serbian forces killed some 10,000 Kosovars, but in Southeast Asia the United States and its allies slew 1 million, many of whom were civilians. More than twice that number were wounded or forcibly displaced.


Direct US involvement in war crimes continued even after the Vietnam conflict. CIA operatives mined Nicaragua's main harbor in the 1980s, and until the 1990s, US Army courses for Latin American soldiers included torture. In the early 1990s, CIA agents created a right-wing group in Haiti that killed hundreds of civilians.


Although most Americans barely recall those events, others elsewhere have not forgotten. For them, the contemporary US fascination with human rights seems empty and cynical. If the United States does not investigate its past misdeeds, these suspicions will ring true.


In addition to directly participating in abuses, the United States also covertly aided brutal authoritarians abroad. Just as Milosevic pulled the strings during Bosnia's ethnic cleansing, the United States secretly sponsored cruel allies to advance political goals.


Consider Chile, where CIA operatives helped overrow an elected leftist leader in the early 1970s, creating the long nightmare of Pinochet's rule. The Chilean judiciary is now investigating Pinochet's crimes, but the CIA is only reluctantly opening its files.

[seemslikeadream]

33. Kissinger approved Argentinian 'dirty war' ~~~FIRST PICKED TO INVESTAGATE 9/11~~~

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/06/argentina.usa


Henry Kissinger gave his approval to the "dirty war" in Argentina in the 1970s in which up to 30,000 people were killed, according to newly declassified US state department documents.
Mr Kissinger, who was America's secretary of state, is shown to have urged the Argentinian military regime to act before the US Congress resumed session, and told it that Washington would not cause it "unnecessary difficulties".

The revelations are likely to further damage Mr Kissinger's reputation. He has already been implicated in war crimes committed during his term in office, notably in connection with the 1973 Chilean coup.

The material, obtained by the Washington-based National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act, consists of two memorandums of conversations that took place in October 1976 with the visiting Argentinian foreign minister, Admiral César Augusto Guzzetti. At the time the US Congress, concerned about allegations of widespread human rights abuses, was poised to approve sanctions against the military regime.

According to a verbatim transcript of a meeting on October 7 1976, Mr Kissinger reassured the foreign minister that he had US backing in whatever he did.

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed," Mr Kissinger is reported as saying. "I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems, but not the context.

[seemslikeadream]

34. This report found that the U.S. Government was aware that the Nazi mint took gold

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/s1379.html

We have learned so much. Yet, if the last few years are any
indication, we still have so much more to learn.
After the fall of Communist rule, Russia and several former Soviet-
bloc nations opened volumes of secret files on Nazi war crimes.
Argentina has cooperated in the public release of its files. British
Government records are being declassified and made available for public
scrutiny. And over the past year, Swiss banks and the Swiss Government
have been under intense international pressure to make a full
accounting of unclaimed funds belonging to Holocaust victims, as well
as Nazi assets that may have once belonged to Holocaust victims.
Mr. President, here at home, our own Government has been gradually
making records available about what it knew of Nazi-related activities
and atrocities. Earlier this year, a Government-conducted study
revealed new information about what the U.S. Government knew regarding
the transfer and flow of funds held by Nazi officials. This report
found that the U.S. Government was aware that the Nazi mint took gold
stolen from European central banks and melted it together with gold
obtained in horrible fashion--from tooth-fillings, wedding bands and
other items seized from death camp victims. Last Sunday's New York
Times detailed newly released Government documents that described how
the Federal Reserve Bank of New York had melted down and recast
hundreds of Nazi-held gold bars. According to the released records, the
U.S. Government knew that a good portion of this gold had been looted
from the Netherlands and Belgium. It is not known if any of these bars
contained gold from Holocaust victims, or to what extent the U.S.
Government knew it.
Mr. President, earlier today, at a press conference to announce the
introduction of this legislation, I had on display several aerial U.S.
intelligence photographs taken in 1944. The pictures were of Auschwitz,
with prisoners being led to the gas chambers. These pictures were
discovered by photo analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency in
1978. They confirm what we had heard from the Polish underground that a
death camp did in fact exist at Auschwitz. They also demonstrated that
our Government had photographs of these camps as these atrocities were
occurring.

[LARED]

49. Maybe this is a question of interpretation, maybe not

But if a US government knew of the death camps, are you suggesting they were ok with this?

Assuming you don't think the USA was ok with the Nazi death camps, I'm a little unclear as to what actions outside of going to war with Germany you are expecting.

[seemslikeadream]

36. Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-vietnam6aug06,0,6350517.story?coll=la-home-headlines


Declassified papers show U.S. atrocities went far beyond My Lai.
By Nick Turse and Deborah Nelson, Special to The Times
August 6, 2006
The men of B Company were in a dangerous state of mind. They had lost five men in a firefight the day before. The morning of Feb. 8, 1968, brought unwelcome orders to resume their sweep of the countryside, a green patchwork of rice paddies along Vietnam's central coast.

They met no resistance as they entered a nondescript settlement in Quang Nam province. So Jamie Henry, a 20-year-old medic, set his rifle down in a hut, unfastened his bandoliers and lighted a cigarette.

[seemslikeadream]

37. US and S Korea accused of war atrocities:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55a/099.html

US and S Korea accused of war atrocities: Inquiry uncovers secret of series of attacks by South on North
By John Gittings in Hong Kong and Martin Kettle in Washington, The Guardian (UK), Tuesday 18 January 2000
The AP report: 'Bridge at No Gun Ri'

South Korean troops attacked the North a year before the Korean war broke out, researchers have claimed in the latest disturbing revelation about the conflict which almost led to global war.

More than 250 guerrillas from the South are said to have launched an attack on North Korean villages along the east coast in June 1949. Some reached the town of Wonsan, although all but 50 were killed in two weeks. The incident has been confirmed by a South Korean army official.

It was only one of numerous small-scale conflicts instigated by the South as well as by the North, according to a new book by Professor Kim Kwi-ok of Seoul National university.

The story supports the argument of some historians that the North's invasion of the South in June 1950 must be seen in the context of a steady build-up of hostilities from both sides.

It will add to public concern in Seoul after a string of recent revelations about war atrocities committed by South Korean and US forces in the south early in the Korean war.

Last week, the South Korean president, Kim Dae-jung, urged the US to conduct a thorough inquiry into the alleged mass killing of Korean civilian refugees by US soldiers. He told the US army secretary, Louis Caldera, who was visiting Seoul, that the "truth should be clearly brought out so that South Korea-US relations should not be damaged and will instead be enhanced".

Mr Caldera's visit to South Korea follows a recent investigation by the Associated Press news agency into a number of horrifying incidents. Its reports have shattered the conventional picture that all the atrocities in the Korean war were committed by the North Koreans or their Chinese allies.

US veterans interviewed by AP said they machine-gunned hundreds of helpless civilians under a railway bridge at No Gun Ri on July 26, 1950.

[RC]

64. Well when you start a war based on lies and kill an estimated one million Iraqi civilians.

Authorize torture. Bomb wedding parties and say "Whoops, sorry" and don't do anything to prevent doing so in the future... Use Hellfire missiles to blow up cars on busy streets. Justify using cluster bombs on civilans... Yeah, I think George Walker Bush fits in there somewhere.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. You have no sense of proportion.

Or logic.

SLAD: "Because evil people like the Khmer Rouge bashed the skull of babies against trees, the Bush Administation was involved in 9/11."

Do you understand that these things have nothing to do with one another?

[seemslikeadream]

13. Pure EVIL is here to stay bolo, always was always will be

a reason to inflict destruction on the world. MOTIVE, MEANS, ETC..........

[Bolo Boffin]

23. Less spiritual warfare, more rationality n/t

[seemslikeadream]

26. If you don't believe in spiritual warfare, even after touting your knowledge of the bible, well

[Bolo Boffin]

38. Ah, it's so much easier to hate me when God tells you to, right? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

39. Did I mention God? Where did I say I hated you?

I may pity you but I save my hate for mass murderers and your not one of those are you?

[Bolo Boffin]

42. snort -- pity for me is an emotion that you definitely do not feel.

Let's get real.

[seemslikeadream]

44. You are right about that I actually feel nothing for you

just a bit of annoyance I suppose, like the hum of a mosquito, but surely not hate

[Bolo Boffin]

45. Yes, and you normally pull out bazookas and shoot a mosquito over and over and over and over

and over and over again, just the way you screech in post after post, sometimes four and five at a time, in response to me.

Yeah. Mild annoyance. Gotcha.

[seemslikeadream]

46. and you with your constant attention to my posts

I'm sure they are a mild annoyance to you also, over and over and over again

[seemslikeadream]

18. The point is that THEY are surely capable of it, that's where the argument starts

[Bolo Boffin]

21. No, where it starts is the evidence n/t

[seemslikeadream]

25. nope

[seemslikeadream]

19. Who are these?

They came from a far country, from the ends of heaven....... to destroy the whole land

Isaiah 13:3



Who are these that fly in a cloud as the dove to their windows?

Isaiah 9:8

[Bolo Boffin]

22. The first is the Babylonians, doing God's wrath against the 8th century Hebrews

Also, your citations are wrong. The first is Isaiah 13:5, not 13:3. You could know yourself who that is in Chapter 13, because the top of the chapter says it is the harsh prophecy of Babylon.

The second is Isaiah 60:8, not 9:8. They are the nations who come in Trito-Isaiah's prophetic vision of Israel's restoration to give their riches and praises to Israel.

Now apart from demonstrating your inability to cite or interpret the Scripture properly, what is it you were trying to prove?

ETA: Trito-Isaiah, not Deutero.

[seemslikeadream]

24. check the OTHER bible

mine says 13


You do know there are more than one bible, don't you?

[Bolo Boffin]

35. Chapter 13 is something you got right, actually. Try again. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

40. Is the fucking quote correct or not, that's the point

Would you please post your bible so we can all see your wisdom

[Bolo Boffin]

41. My goodness. Do you cut and paste the Bible with those same fingers?

The quote was correct. That's how I could correct your citations. And you still haven't bothered to say why 8th century Israel getting whooped by God and then being restored has to do with ANYTHING

[seemslikeadream]

43. The world is run by people very different to those that most people are aware of.

Disraeli

[seemslikeadream]

51. 8th century Israel getting whooped by God?

That's what you think it is referring to? Think again

[Bolo Boffin]

53. Yes, obviously. That is when the first author lived, so that's exactly what he's talking about.

You understand that the first part of Isaiah was written in the 8th century BCE?

[LARED]

55. I'm guessing SLAD believes those scriptures refer to

space aliens. Reread SLAD comments.

They came from a far country, from the ends of heaven....... to destroy the whole land

Isaiah 13:3

Who are these that fly in a cloud as the dove to their windows?

Isaiah 9:8

[seemslikeadream]

58. the ends of heaven.......?

[Bolo Boffin]

59. Are you familiar with 8th century BCE cosmology?

Isaiah certainly was.

[seemslikeadream]

60. I take it you are a biblical scholar

among your various professions :eyes:

Are you a B.C.E? ..................Bachelor of Christian Education :rofl:
Expert on Homer also?

and you probably use a sundial to tell time?


I know there is only one true version of the bible, so says Sarah Palin

[Bolo Boffin]

61. My bachelor's is in Bible, from the Church of Christ

I also had two years of graduate work in Christian Theology. However, it's been a while. I keep up as a hobby.

BCE = Before Common Era, a religiously neutral term for the division of years.

[seemslikeadream]

62. Well at least I know where your bias comes from now

I see that you are referring to the one true bible :eyes:


are you still a Christian or were you ever one?



funny I always thought you were something else


How did you like those Crusades?


Going through 12 years of Catholic education we didn't use the bible much but I do know any other bible was complete nosense and it was a sin to read it or anything else that was not approved by the pope. btw I am no longer a Catholic. And I'll take my 4 years of religious high school ed to your BS any day




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqLssKusGzM

"Girl In The War"



Peter said to Paul
"All those words that we wrote
Are just the rules of the game and the rules are the first to go"
But now talkin' to God is Laurel beggin' Hardy for a gun
I gotta girl in the war, man I wonder what it is we done

Paul said to Petey
"You gotta rock yourself a little harder;
Pretend the dove from above is a dragon and your feet are on fire"
And I got a girl in the war, Paul the only thing I know to do
Is turn up the music and pray that she makes it through

Because the keys to the kingdom got locked inside the kingdom
And the angels fly around in there, but we can't see them

And I gotta girl in the war, Paul I know that they can hear me yell
If they can't find a way to help, they can go to Hell
If they can't find a way to help her, they can go to Hell

Paul to Petey "you gotta rock yourself a little harder;
Pretend the dove from above is a dragon and your feet are on fire"
But I gotta girl in the war, Paul her eyes are like champagne
They sparkle, bubble over, in the morning all you got is rain
Sparkle, bubble over, in the morning all you got is rain
They sparkle, bubble over, in the morning all you got is rain

[Bolo Boffin]

63. Oh, like you don't possess a single OUNCE of bias

I am referring to the Hebrew Scriptures BECAUSE YOU QUOTED THEM. What kind of stupid games are you playing here, SLAD?

I once was a Christian. Now I am not, although I have no beef with most of what Jesus is reported to have said.

"funny I always thought you were something else"

Well, if there's a serious you, could she come out to discuss things? The Crusades were just one more thing in the list of why organized religion is not good for humanity.

That doesn't change the fact that a) you quoted the Bible and gave bad citations, and b) you have yet to explain just why your quotations have any relevance to the subject. What does two different quotes about 8th Century BCE Israel have to do with 9/11?

Pretty please with the mercy of Christ on top?

[LARED]

47. I suspect the Bible SLAD is referring to may be titled

The Alien Bible.

Authored by Mulder and Scully

[Bolo Boffin]

4. The problem here is not your facts, but how you fit them into your opinion

I find Bush's treatment of the Hart-Rudman report reprehensible. It doesn't make me think that they were in on the 9/11 attacks.

[Realityhack]

5. I agree with LARED and boloboffin n/t